Why do some here feel the need to attack others?
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Some people have the ability to see a rant and provide the response the "ranter" is looking for: sympathy, piling on the MSC, etc.
But some people like to respond to a problem with a proposed solution to try to help, and it may include trying to see things from said MSC's point of view. This is not what said ranter was looking for and can get labeled as attacking just because it provides an unwanted point of view. Hopefully that's not what you're referring to here as "attacking".
As far as legitimate attacks, I agree, they should have no place here. When it comes to attacks in threads related to what I assume is being referred to as the largest MSC, I couldn't comment based on personal experience. I have no meaningful experience with that MSC and ignore all things related to that MSC (with the exception of this thread!).
But some people like to respond to a problem with a proposed solution to try to help, and it may include trying to see things from said MSC's point of view. This is not what said ranter was looking for and can get labeled as attacking just because it provides an unwanted point of view. Hopefully that's not what you're referring to here as "attacking".
As far as legitimate attacks, I agree, they should have no place here. When it comes to attacks in threads related to what I assume is being referred to as the largest MSC, I couldn't comment based on personal experience. I have no meaningful experience with that MSC and ignore all things related to that MSC (with the exception of this thread!).
Why does it matter the amount of money that someone makes to mean whether they can legitimately stand up for a company or not? If I have a positive experience with a company and you disagree, which one of our opinions or experiences is correct? I'm not trying to stir the pot, I just never understood why people try to judge based upon income. I teach and have a master's degree. Therefore I'm well educated but not making much. Does my opinion not matter? I think it's fair to not just read bashes on companies. If I have a problem with a company, I just deactivate myself or stop taking shops.
You asked, I answered. And I'm not sure I've even done what you are upset about but I wouldn't be against it.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/31/2015 11:52PM by ShopSouthTexas.
You asked, I answered. And I'm not sure I've even done what you are upset about but I wouldn't be against it.
Doing what I can to enhance the life of my family! I LOVE what I do 
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/31/2015 11:52PM by ShopSouthTexas.
I certainly find that I do not understand why a shopper would have issues with the largest MSP IF THEY FOLLOW DIRECTIONS. Sure, I was banned from one client for quite some time and it did take some finesse to find out why--I was identified as the shopper--but that did not impact other shops I did or do for that company and I even was paid for the shop where I was identified. The main reason it is the company I personally recommend to new shoppers most is because 1) it is the simplest to work with, 2) it will have shops almost everywhere and 3) payments are like clockwork--especially relative to other companies in the industry.
When I screw up one of their shops it smarts but I own it. When someone wants to rant about their paycheck not being in their hands when they expect it, one has to wonder just how close they are living to the edge that 2-3 day difference makes enough difference to rant. When someone finds their jobs difficult, one has to wonder whether they should be attempting to do mystery shops. When someone gets terminated by the company entirely you have to suspect that they had been having some issues because so many shoppers work on and on and on with them for years with only occasional glitches.
In terms of 'piling on', it really isn't necessary and then too, much of the venom about the company is not necessary either.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/01/2015 12:25AM by Flash.
When I screw up one of their shops it smarts but I own it. When someone wants to rant about their paycheck not being in their hands when they expect it, one has to wonder just how close they are living to the edge that 2-3 day difference makes enough difference to rant. When someone finds their jobs difficult, one has to wonder whether they should be attempting to do mystery shops. When someone gets terminated by the company entirely you have to suspect that they had been having some issues because so many shoppers work on and on and on with them for years with only occasional glitches.
In terms of 'piling on', it really isn't necessary and then too, much of the venom about the company is not necessary either.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/01/2015 12:25AM by Flash.
I've only been on the forum a short time, and for the most part, all the users seem to be supportive.
Why do some people attack? Maybe they think they are being helpful by offering "tough love" advice. Maybe they have a bully mentality like some of the kids at kid's school, and feel by making others feel bad they feel superior. This question has been going on for time eternity. My only advice is if you feel someone is being overly aggressive or wrong, be brave and call them out. I believe there are more supportive users here than bullies.
Why do some people attack? Maybe they think they are being helpful by offering "tough love" advice. Maybe they have a bully mentality like some of the kids at kid's school, and feel by making others feel bad they feel superior. This question has been going on for time eternity. My only advice is if you feel someone is being overly aggressive or wrong, be brave and call them out. I believe there are more supportive users here than bullies.
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Some people, sometimes, are just grouchy. Others may just be having a really bad day.
Some people, sometimes, are just grouchy. Others may just be having a really bad day.
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Anonymity emboldens all, and humanity is not at its best when it is at its boldest.
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Define "attack?"
Many times very good constructive criticism is given, it is misidentified as being an attack.
And it is here for many MSCs, not just one.
Many times very good constructive criticism is given, it is misidentified as being an attack.
And it is here for many MSCs, not just one.
My posts are solely based on my opinions and for my entertainment, contact a professional if you need real advice.
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When you get in debt you become a slave. - Andrew Jackson
The OP asks about why human beings do the things they do. The forum is no different than any other place. Or is it? See Misanthrope's post two spots above this one.
So, the question becomes what to do about it. Don't egg them on, it only contributes to more attacks. Toggle them so you don't see their posts. Report them to Jacob. Try to ignore them. Move on to more positive and constructive threads. In other words, be better than the attacks and attackers. It is hard sometimes, but we all have it in us.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/01/2015 01:46AM by vlade5394.
So, the question becomes what to do about it. Don't egg them on, it only contributes to more attacks. Toggle them so you don't see their posts. Report them to Jacob. Try to ignore them. Move on to more positive and constructive threads. In other words, be better than the attacks and attackers. It is hard sometimes, but we all have it in us.
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/01/2015 01:46AM by vlade5394.
Sorry, but that feels like an attack to me. And insulting, too. I'm not sure whether you mean to insult the mystery shopping experts or the typical fast food restaurant employee, but your comments have an unpleasant superior tone. Apparently you are a big money maker equating dollars with sense.
I can see, though, why you might think some posts are attacks. I see most of them as straightforward opinions about how things are or about how things should be. Differences of opinion should not be considered attacks.
I strongly differ with your opinion of what goes on in this forum.
If you want to help those who are having problems with the largest MSC, attacking other posters is not a useful approach. Instead, how about offering them your counsel about how to solve their problems and get along with the MSC, or on the other hand offering them your counsel about how to back off without burning the bridge and filling up the creek with debris.
I can see, though, why you might think some posts are attacks. I see most of them as straightforward opinions about how things are or about how things should be. Differences of opinion should not be considered attacks.
I strongly differ with your opinion of what goes on in this forum.
If you want to help those who are having problems with the largest MSC, attacking other posters is not a useful approach. Instead, how about offering them your counsel about how to solve their problems and get along with the MSC, or on the other hand offering them your counsel about how to back off without burning the bridge and filling up the creek with debris.
@jilummer wrote:
. . . A few self-appointed mystery shopping experts who probably earn less per year net than a typical fast food restaurant employee feel obligated to defend the biggest MSC. . .
Mary Davis Nowell. Based close to Fort Worth. Shopping Interstate 20 east and west, Interstate 35 north and south.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/01/2015 01:46AM by MDavisnowell.
How about when the ranter offers little to no information under the banner XYZ company is a scam? If a company is legitimate and you have an issue there is no harm in a modicum of professionalism. Often, if the OP sticks around long enough, we find they made an error or even many errors. Fine, not one of us is perfect. It doesn't justify attacking the MSC and claiming foul because you expect to be paid for just showing up. No doubt the same person would not expect to pay the plumber who left them without a toilet rather than fixing it or the painter who left their house fuschia when they asked for beige. Why? Because the first moron did the job wrong and now they have to pay another plumber or house painter to fix the mess. Often they even have to pay more. If you read enough of the threads about problems you will discover legitimate gripes are met with an appropriate amount of empathy, understanding and constructive advice. Stupid rants from people who can't even wipe their own nose without supervision and feel they are entitled to payment regardless of what they did wrong, not so much.
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@jilummer wrote:
Typical scenarios: Someone complains about the way they were treated by the biggest MSC.
Typical response: A few self-appointed mystery shopping experts who probably earn less per year net than a typical fast food restaurant employee feel obligated to defend the biggest MSC.
Why?
Why indeed? Why do some here feel the need to attack others? jlummer, you start. Explain to us why you feel the need to attack others on the forum. Your post itself is an attack. And you actually started a thread to post that attack.
"Self-appointed mystery shopping experts?" Define the behavior being described. Which posters might have self-appointed themselves as experts? How can we tell if someone has self-appointed himself? Then there's a little extra insult adding that the experts "probably earn less per year net than a typical fast food restaurant employee" and comments that they "feel obligated to defend the biggest MSC." How does the OP know how much anyone makes? And why is it so bad to earn less than a typical fast food restaurant employee, if in fact whoever the OP is talking about does earn less? What's up with that attack?
Way not enough definition or specificity if the OP really wants to start a viable discussion. The only attacking behavior I see, since the OP has not been specific about his complaint, is the attacking post the OP posted. Rude, crude, bullying behavior.
If the OP truly is disturbed about behavior he is seeing and wants a dialogue, great. But to start a thread filled with vague attacks is appalling behavior that seems designed for attention-getting rather than discussing to come to some understanding.
@jilummer wrote:
Typical scenarios: Someone complains about the way they were treated by the biggest MSC.
Typical response: A few self-appointed mystery shopping experts who probably earn less per year net than a typical fast food restaurant employee feel obligated to defend the biggest MSC.
Why?
Why does the same person keep creating new user id's in order to bash said MSC over and over and then get frustrated and angry when the rest of us don't follow his lead like little minions?
Why?
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At the moment only demons come to mind
@jilummer wrote:
Typical scenarios: Someone complains about the way they were treated by the biggest MSC.
Typical response: A few self-appointed mystery shopping experts who probably earn less per year net than a typical fast food restaurant employee feel obligated to defend the biggest MSC.
Why?
HAHAHA! Am I the only one who sees this thread as the Joke of the Week? I'm not sure if the OP is a Joke or if he making one. Or ...... Billy, is that you?
JMHO, unless he's making a joke, it takes a poster with a twisted mind to start a thread full of insults and attacks directed at others at the same time as he is complaining about "Why do some here feel the need to attack others?"
Here's my question. What makes someone an expert and how do you know if they appointed themselves or not? Maybe we have these top secret mystery shopper conclaves twice a year and add new experts. Sorry you haven't been invited yet. But hey, like the Cubs say, there's always next year.
Seriously, last I looked no universities are offering degrees so if that is your criteria then we are all sh-t out of luck. Some people have proclaimed themselves experts and written books or have blogs. The vast majority of us have spent hours combing through helpful advice from veterans before getting into the trenches and learning the good old hard way. In just the last few years, on this forum alone, I have lost track of the newbies who signed up and through hard work and determination have quickly gone from clueless to someone I would deem an expert.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/01/2015 02:44AM by LisaSTL.
Seriously, last I looked no universities are offering degrees so if that is your criteria then we are all sh-t out of luck. Some people have proclaimed themselves experts and written books or have blogs. The vast majority of us have spent hours combing through helpful advice from veterans before getting into the trenches and learning the good old hard way. In just the last few years, on this forum alone, I have lost track of the newbies who signed up and through hard work and determination have quickly gone from clueless to someone I would deem an expert.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/01/2015 02:44AM by LisaSTL.
I have not appointed myself a mystery shopping expert. I have appointed myself THE mystery shopping expert.
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
It was supposed to be a surprise, you are being inducted into the MS Hall of Fame this year. The prize includes a Porsche Panamera and one bonus FF shop from Market Force.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
Well it is a contract year....
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
But you've always been a free agent.......
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
Would that be his 7th or 8th user ID bgriffin?
@bgriffin wrote:
@jilummer wrote:
Typical scenarios: Someone complains about the way they were treated by the biggest MSC.
Typical response: A few self-appointed mystery shopping experts who probably earn less per year net than a typical fast food restaurant employee feel obligated to defend the biggest MSC.
Why?
Why does the same person keep creating new user id's in order to bash said MSC over and over and then get frustrated and angry when the rest of us don't follow his lead like little minions?
Why?
Arguing with fools is like playing chess with a pigeon...
...No matter how good you are, the pigeon will s@^t on the board and strut around like it won anyway.
Not scheduling for ANY company.
...No matter how good you are, the pigeon will s@^t on the board and strut around like it won anyway.
Not scheduling for ANY company.
This is not one of the multiple identities. Absolutely not.
Mary Davis Nowell. Based close to Fort Worth. Shopping Interstate 20 east and west, Interstate 35 north and south.
@MDavisnowell wrote:
This is not one of the multiple identities. Absolutely not.
Agreed. This is a 3-month forum member who feels that no one should be defending Market Force. He seems to see attacks and bullying everywhere - - - but he doesn't seem to be able to see his own attacks and bullying behavior. It's called not seeing the forest for the trees.
I am GOD!
Only my opinion matters
Everyone else is WRONG!
I have declared the earth is flat and I have been proven 100% correct!
Bow, back to your regular programming you little trolls.....
Only my opinion matters
Everyone else is WRONG!
I have declared the earth is flat and I have been proven 100% correct!
Bow, back to your regular programming you little trolls.....
Warning!! Off topic:
Inre: more chlorine in the gene pool.
An interesting fact that I most recently heard regarding chlorine and bathing pools. supposedly, if one is able to smell the chlorine, it is indicative of an overly contaminated pool. Myself, I prefer the horse trough we have at the ready. fill up with water, drag chair to it, dangle feet in it. Of course a refreshing beverage in hand.
As for opinions: Just because you preface with IMO or OMHO, does not mean it is correct, astute, significant, or even profound. It is, your opinion based upon your learnt knowledge. (BTW, a friend once said she had read this statement somewhere. Hence, it has been paraphrased by me).
Inre: more chlorine in the gene pool.
An interesting fact that I most recently heard regarding chlorine and bathing pools. supposedly, if one is able to smell the chlorine, it is indicative of an overly contaminated pool. Myself, I prefer the horse trough we have at the ready. fill up with water, drag chair to it, dangle feet in it. Of course a refreshing beverage in hand.
As for opinions: Just because you preface with IMO or OMHO, does not mean it is correct, astute, significant, or even profound. It is, your opinion based upon your learnt knowledge. (BTW, a friend once said she had read this statement somewhere. Hence, it has been paraphrased by me).
@MDavisnowell wrote:
This is not one of the multiple identities. Absolutely not.
Absolutely not. But they comment in the threads Mr multiple identities creates and thinks we are mean to him.
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
That's because they don't understand the undertoad.
Mary Davis Nowell. Based close to Fort Worth. Shopping Interstate 20 east and west, Interstate 35 north and south.
Something else: Wouldn't it be helpful if every MSC would reveal to their shoppers their individual rating? Perhaps something along the lines of a quarterly or semi-annual review. Or, a computer generated annual review. I know some MSCs such as Steri, do have a rating for each shopper that is visible to the shopper on a daily basis. Others, keep it secret. That seems counter-productive.
I realise, I'm crossing threads here. however, I find it rather sad that a shopper who has done 50+ shops a month for a particular MSC finds herself taken off her monthly shops. Apparently, without warning. That seems harsh.
I realise, I'm crossing threads here. however, I find it rather sad that a shopper who has done 50+ shops a month for a particular MSC finds herself taken off her monthly shops. Apparently, without warning. That seems harsh.
We don't know what happened to the shopper who lost the client with 50 shops a month, but yes, it does seem abrupt. When the blue bank changed their rules, I lost 54 re-assignable shops out of 55. It was not heart stopping but I did gulp my coffee double time, so I have some idea of the anguish although for me this is supplemental income. I also lost a fast casual where the company decided I was "too harsh". For those who have not yet lost something for reasons not understood or not expected, just stand back and wait.
That said, knowing our rating does not prevent this type of loss. My rating did not prevent the loss of 54 banks and that shopper's rating would not have prevented the loss of his/her 50 shops. Something went wrong there and we don't know what. My best guess is those shops were lost as a result of a client request and we have no control of what the client wants.
No matter how much we depend on a one client/one MSC relationship, we should be aware (new shoppers, I'm talking to you) that these relationships are transient and impermanent. We should maintain our flexibility and keep our options open, never letting up on the search for new contacts. Complacency is an enemy.
That said, knowing our rating does not prevent this type of loss. My rating did not prevent the loss of 54 banks and that shopper's rating would not have prevented the loss of his/her 50 shops. Something went wrong there and we don't know what. My best guess is those shops were lost as a result of a client request and we have no control of what the client wants.
No matter how much we depend on a one client/one MSC relationship, we should be aware (new shoppers, I'm talking to you) that these relationships are transient and impermanent. We should maintain our flexibility and keep our options open, never letting up on the search for new contacts. Complacency is an enemy.
Mary Davis Nowell. Based close to Fort Worth. Shopping Interstate 20 east and west, Interstate 35 north and south.
@Tatjana
As for opinions: Just because you preface with IMO or OMHO, does not mean it is correct, astute, significant, or even profound. It is, your opinion based upon your learnt knowledge. (BTW, a friend once said she had read this statement somewhere. Hence, it has been paraphrased by me).[/quote wrote:
This is an open internet forum. Very little posted here is astute, significant, or even profound. Almost everything posted here is opinion based on "learnt" knowledge. Poorly paraphrased and not really relevant, but I understand what you are trying to contribute.
As for answering the question asked, I don't think the OP deserves or even wants an answer. This thread was started with an attacking, insulting post and the only response I feel is necessary would be from the OP, who apparently is a self-appointed judge who feels free to attack and insult others while judging posts of other forum members, apparently due to defenses of Market Force. An apology might be nice. Editing an offensive post might be nice.
@LisaSTL wrote:
Here's my question. What makes someone an expert and how do you know if they appointed themselves or not? Maybe we have these top secret mystery shopper conclaves twice a year and add new experts. Sorry you haven't been invited yet. But hey, like the Cubs say, there's always next year.
Hey now, you watch what you say about my Cubbies!!!
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