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Based in MD, near DC
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
Probably not, then I'd be down 2 MSC's.
No, nor would I shop the same location for the same shop for two different MSC's. Unless, as Walesmaven said, they are both OK with it.
It depends entirely on the circumstances. I have no qualms about going to a big box retailer and completing more than one shop for different clients and different MSCs. I would hesitate and ask questions if it appeared to be the same shop for the same client. If I was assured one shop was for the client and the second was for a competitor then I would do it in a heartbeat. If the shop was for the same client I would not because they end up paying for the same report twice.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
I won't shop the same location for two different MSC's even if the clients are different. I prefer to keep my honest reputation intact.
How is it dishonest if nothing submitted is fraudulent?
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
I'm not sure it would be dishonest, I just prefer to not worry about things like that. It's just how I do things.
I've also done two shops for the same MSC in the same store for two different clients.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
At the same time? No.
With even a little time between shops to provide distinct start/stop times, I might.
This would be similar to 2 shipping shops at one location in one day with specified wait times between shops.
With even a little time between shops to provide distinct start/stop times, I might.
This would be similar to 2 shipping shops at one location in one day with specified wait times between shops.
Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu
All day long. Look at the risk vs benefit decision and do what is right for you.
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up, up, down, down, left, right,left,right, B,A, start.
up, up, down, down, left, right,left,right, B,A, start.
The Big Box Electronics Store is shopped by no fewer than 6 MSCs (and probably more). I'm in there all the time. I've seriously considered double-dipping and just moving from department to department on the same visit, but I would be worried that my time in/time out would raise eyebrows. That, and submitting the same receipt as pov to multiple places could be a problem. I'm certain this particular store would have a fit, as they are rather particular and argumentative already.
Many of the shops in that big box electronics store are for different clients looking for different information. They shop their own customer service and get shopped like crazy by their vendors, primarily on TVs, printers and phones. Another good example is warehouse stores. If the stars align a shopper could find a cell phone shop, one for a manufacturer's rep, possibly another to take pics of a display and even one where you would spy on the food demo folks. All things with no overlap in data collected yet done with one trip instead of four. Since each involves different components there wouldn't even be an overlap in time because you would have to finish one before moving on to the next. It's also possible out of those possibilities you might not even need a purchase receipt or only have one assignment requiring a purchase so anyone who feels submitting the same receipt to more than one MSC would not be faced with any ethical dilemma. To me it's more like going to one mall for multiple shops rather than making separate trips.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/04/2015 03:02PM by LisaSTL.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/04/2015 03:02PM by LisaSTL.
I would like to add a caveat and not recommend anyone blindly take on double or triple dipping. There are instances, like clients testing a new MSC, that could be problematic. My comfort level comes from knowing without a doubt who the end client is going to be usually because I have been told by each MSC involved or am familiar enough with the assignments to recognize there is no overlap.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
Lisa,
I hadn't thought of it that way before. Scheduling shops that way could save me a lot of time and money!
I hadn't thought of it that way before. Scheduling shops that way could save me a lot of time and money!
I'm with Lisa. If the client is totally different I have no problems doing both. Another great example is a travel center shop where you evaluate the actual store for the travel center and then do a shop for the fast food vendor attached.
Edited to add: I'm not talking about the fast food shop for the travel center. Let's say it's a Pilot with a McDonald's attached. I have no problem taking the Pilot shop for the store itself and then the McDonald's shop from the McDonald's MSC.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/04/2015 04:00PM by bgriffin.
Edited to add: I'm not talking about the fast food shop for the travel center. Let's say it's a Pilot with a McDonald's attached. I have no problem taking the Pilot shop for the store itself and then the McDonald's shop from the McDonald's MSC.
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/04/2015 04:00PM by bgriffin.
There are times when it works and times when it doesn't. One of the food + dry goods member clubs I used to shop on the same visit the demo staff (paid by club), the road shows currently on site (possibly paid by club), the wireless kiosk (the wireless carrier company). None of these shops reimbursed anything and they each had different proofs of visit. Technically they were in the same location.
Schedulers have suggested when doing one type of shop in Walmart, performing others on site while I'm there. At one time I went into Walmart with 3 bonus shops for the same MSC--photo, phone and McD--and did a find the demo for another MSC. If I had had a competitor grocery shop I would have done it while I was there as well.
The ones I would NOT double dip would be, for example, a bank where used one banker interaction for shops offered by two different companies or the fatherly pizza, where I suspect I could arrange to have multiple MSCs getting unique photos of the same pie. So I guess my standard would be that no two companies are reimbursing me for the same purchase and ultimately the client for each is different.
Schedulers have suggested when doing one type of shop in Walmart, performing others on site while I'm there. At one time I went into Walmart with 3 bonus shops for the same MSC--photo, phone and McD--and did a find the demo for another MSC. If I had had a competitor grocery shop I would have done it while I was there as well.
The ones I would NOT double dip would be, for example, a bank where used one banker interaction for shops offered by two different companies or the fatherly pizza, where I suspect I could arrange to have multiple MSCs getting unique photos of the same pie. So I guess my standard would be that no two companies are reimbursing me for the same purchase and ultimately the client for each is different.
Right. Also would not take the McDonald's shop done by McDonald's and the McDonald's shop done by Pilot for the same burger. That would just be wrong.
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
Yes, that would be two companies reimbursing me for the same purchase.
It's not the same purchase reimbursement that would cause me a problem. It's the same information being paid for ultimately by the same entity.
If I had shops in Best Buy for a cell phone client, computer client, and television client, and they were all paid for by the manufacturers and all required a small purchase, sorry but all 3 or reimbursing me for the 1 coke I bought at the checkout.
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If I had shops in Best Buy for a cell phone client, computer client, and television client, and they were all paid for by the manufacturers and all required a small purchase, sorry but all 3 or reimbursing me for the 1 coke I bought at the checkout.
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/04/2015 04:31PM by bgriffin.
And, in most cases, shops done at Best Buy offer either no reimbursement, or only require a time stamped photo of the building. Maybe some MSCs do offer reimbursement here, but many don't.
The two are intrinsically tied together. And no, I won't accept reimbursement for the same coke by all three. Even if I have to purchase a coke, get my receipt and then 'decide' I want a snack to pay and get a second receipt and then 'oh my, you have _____!' and pay for a third receipt I will do that rather than double dip the reimbursement. I will use the same receipt as proof of visit, but not in a situation of multiple reimbursement.
In the case of those minuscule reimbursements, the purchase is just a POV and some include it as part of the fee rather than a separate reimbursement anyway. And there are the MSCs who don't care if you made a purchase, a return or just found someone else's receipt laying around as long as it was on the same day and roughly the same time. So far I've never found a double or triple dip with more than one reimbursement. The same receipt goes in for the POV while only one company pays me that whopping $1
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
Right, it's not the reimbursement of the coke that's the deal. All 3 would look at it as just an additional cost to prove you were there.
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
I'm not saying you are wrong in your thinking, I just would not be comfortable being reimbursed multiple times for the same expenditure.
So many variables. There are two different chains of stores, shopped by two different MSCs. They have competitor shopped each other for years. There are different observations and purchase requirements. One MSC pays fee and reimbursement, the other MSC does not reimburse, and pays a flat rate. Maybe it's a quasi- double dip.
I have never seen a flat rate grocery. I probably would do the same as ones where I was reimbursed, run it as two separate orders on the belt and deduct the unreimbursed order on my spreadsheet like with any other required purchase on a flat fee shop.
All this pondering about how to NOT get paid. "Ethics" like this are just rules written by people with money and power to keep people with less money and power in line. Good hearted people then confuse ethics with morals and then spend the rest of their lives working 80 hours a week to live in a trailer park. We are not employees. You've been contracted to write a report. Once you have written and submitted your report, they own it. Cool. They own the rights to your report. They don't own your memory. If a shop company requires that you make a purchase, it is none of their business what you do with that purchase or your receipt after your work is over. If you are paid twice by two different people who don't know it, the second reimbursement becomes income and that's between you and the IRS. They can threaten to "catch you" and "deactivated you" all day long. What are the chances that it will really happen? How much do you care? Those are the only two questions that matter.
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up, up, down, down, left, right,left,right, B,A, start.
up, up, down, down, left, right,left,right, B,A, start.
Sorry for your cynicism. I grew up in a household where there was a strong emphasis on what was 'right' and fair and what was 'wrong'. Guess what? I neither have ever worked 80 hours a week without a substantial check for all that overtime, nor have I ever lived in a trailer park. Maybe that works for you because you were NOT taught to be more discriminating in your choices?
I'm doing a warehouse club shop next week evaluating the demo people and I've seen the same warehouse club from a different MSC evaluating the deli/produce/meat in one shop, another shop evaluating the floral department, another evaluating the auto program, another doing the computers / phones. In that situation I probably would do both the demo and floral on the same day if those lined up. One shop is just asking for a POV small item, the other you need to buy flowers. I don't think I will use the flowers for the demo POV. I have not even considered the other multiple department shop, b/c it just seems like way too much info for the $5 pay and $9 reimbursement, evaluating multiple departments.
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