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In this thread I asked for this MSC to deactivate me. I haven't heard anything, but perhaps if I was with the company they just erased me without notification and I'll find out at some future time when I try to sign in.
I doubt seriously they have the balls to deactivate you as then you would be able to come on here and tell the rest of the world what company it is.
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At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
What surprises me is that @jackaroe sounded pretty upset about feeling like people were trying to force him to give up the MSC. He didn't say anything after and for whatever reason, the CEO decided to call him up TWICE. It's just weird considering he didn't tell us about the phone call right away. I agree with whoever said that this sounds like some drug induced hallucination. The CEO must be worried that their company name is being passed around through private messages.
It also baffles me that they think that their scheduler was in the right. I've had to e-mail schedulers about being sick before and they've cancelled the shop, telling me that they understand I am sick but need it done right away. They make sure to tell me that I hope that I get better and to apply for shops once I am feeling better.
I wonder when the scheduler informed the CEO about what happened to you. Was it that same day or was it after reading this forum? It is unprofessional, and i'd say unethical, for the CEO of a company to know that something like this happened to one of their shoppers during one of their shops and not reach out ASAP. I'm going to go on a limb and say it's unethical for them not to report this to their client if the client owns the business that the shopper was going to. They should be aware of any crimes going on right outside of their door for the safety of their employees. Whoever committed a crime against you now knows that no one in that area is going to step in, so they may decide to go into the business and commit a crime there.
It also baffles me that they think that their scheduler was in the right. I've had to e-mail schedulers about being sick before and they've cancelled the shop, telling me that they understand I am sick but need it done right away. They make sure to tell me that I hope that I get better and to apply for shops once I am feeling better.
I wonder when the scheduler informed the CEO about what happened to you. Was it that same day or was it after reading this forum? It is unprofessional, and i'd say unethical, for the CEO of a company to know that something like this happened to one of their shoppers during one of their shops and not reach out ASAP. I'm going to go on a limb and say it's unethical for them not to report this to their client if the client owns the business that the shopper was going to. They should be aware of any crimes going on right outside of their door for the safety of their employees. Whoever committed a crime against you now knows that no one in that area is going to step in, so they may decide to go into the business and commit a crime there.
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Right. While we should all make our own decisions about who we shop for, I know in advance I don't want to shop for such a company. In fact, I hope that nobody else is ever treated in such a manner. I'd hate for other people to sign up not knowing they were signing on with such an uncaring company. Please let us know Mary who deactivates you.[/quote]
Agreed. I understand the OP's intentions on posting the thread were to give a warning about surroundings and safety, and stands by his stance on this, but at this point guarding their anonymity is in some ways being complict with their atrocious actions IMHO.
Even if the MSC and/or scheduler had been named, it's not slander if it's true. There are police reports to prove what happened. A trail of emails and the deactivated profile. If the MSC thinks they could win that case, they are not just cruel, they're insane.
All they have is these classless intimidation tactics. And they know that's all they have.
Right. While we should all make our own decisions about who we shop for, I know in advance I don't want to shop for such a company. In fact, I hope that nobody else is ever treated in such a manner. I'd hate for other people to sign up not knowing they were signing on with such an uncaring company. Please let us know Mary who deactivates you.[/quote]
Agreed. I understand the OP's intentions on posting the thread were to give a warning about surroundings and safety, and stands by his stance on this, but at this point guarding their anonymity is in some ways being complict with their atrocious actions IMHO.
Even if the MSC and/or scheduler had been named, it's not slander if it's true. There are police reports to prove what happened. A trail of emails and the deactivated profile. If the MSC thinks they could win that case, they are not just cruel, they're insane.
All they have is these classless intimidation tactics. And they know that's all they have.
Just to nitpick, even if it is not true, it is not slander. Slander is defaming a person/business by the spoken word. It would be libel as this is occurring in writing.
"To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be truthful." Edward R. Murrow
Thou shalt not steal. I mean defensively. On offense, indeed thou shall steal and thou must.--Branch Rickey
Thou shalt not steal. I mean defensively. On offense, indeed thou shall steal and thou must.--Branch Rickey
Yesterday I had an email exchange with the MSC and today I will be retaining the lawyer I spoke with.
The CEO is stating that I have posted in this forum, the schedulers name, the MSC name, the clients name and that I have stated the MSC was responsible for what happened.
I was given 24 hours to remove the above information or I will be reported to the MSPA , all other MSC's and charges filed.
I have no idea where the CEO is seeing this. I have never posted or sent that information to anyone.
I have NEVER deleted. changed, edited, or removed any posts from this topic.
I am sure the moderator and forum host can confirm that.
The police report only lists the area I was located and that I was mystery shopping.
I asked the CEO to send me a link or copy of where they are seeing that information posted. I was told it will be produced to the court if I do not remove it.
Is the CEO actually reading this forum or is someone telling them what they think they are seeing to harass me???
So Today I will involve an attorney.
The CEO is stating that I have posted in this forum, the schedulers name, the MSC name, the clients name and that I have stated the MSC was responsible for what happened.
I was given 24 hours to remove the above information or I will be reported to the MSPA , all other MSC's and charges filed.
I have no idea where the CEO is seeing this. I have never posted or sent that information to anyone.
I have NEVER deleted. changed, edited, or removed any posts from this topic.
I am sure the moderator and forum host can confirm that.
The police report only lists the area I was located and that I was mystery shopping.
I asked the CEO to send me a link or copy of where they are seeing that information posted. I was told it will be produced to the court if I do not remove it.
Is the CEO actually reading this forum or is someone telling them what they think they are seeing to harass me???
So Today I will involve an attorney.
I've been following this thread since the beginning and at no time did you post that information here. I'd say it's a good idea to have counsel on hand.
"The future ain't what it used to be." --Yogi Berra
Be sure to ask your attorney if you can counter sue for harassment, mental aggravation, and/or ??. If appropriate, you might be able to argue that the mental strain of dealing with the CEO has led to loss of consortium and your SO could then sue as well. Since the phone calls you received may have crossed state lines, the threats may have triggered the ability to press for federal charges of harassment and maybe even some forms of conspiracy.
Shopping Southeast Pennsylvania, Delaware above the canal, and South Jersey since 2008
@jackaroe, sorry to hear what you've had to go through and wishing you a speedy recovery. It sucks to have a traumatic event like that compounded with unprofessional behavior from an MSC. To be further harassed by members of this community when you choose not to reveal the MSC is pretty shameful.
It sounds to me like there's been some miscommunication with the MSC owner from their staff and perhaps with some time an apology or peaceful resolution from the MSC might be possible. Mistakes happen and misunderstanding occur, but the move to lynch a MSC owner instead of heeding the warning given in the OP and expressing sympathy is something that I don't understand at all.
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It sounds to me like there's been some miscommunication with the MSC owner from their staff and perhaps with some time an apology or peaceful resolution from the MSC might be possible. Mistakes happen and misunderstanding occur, but the move to lynch a MSC owner instead of heeding the warning given in the OP and expressing sympathy is something that I don't understand at all.
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A bunch of us, including me, are all over the map on this from being concerned about jackaroe's physical and emotional suffering to being upset about the threats made against him. The threat to blackball him because of this thread is beyond understanding regardless of whether the MSC/CEO misunderstood his scheduler or not. Any scheduler can issue a flake citation, agreed. Any CEO can let it stand, agreed. But to issue threats of lawsuits and blackballing in this particular case reeks of a lack of common human decency.
It would be great for the MSC/CEO to explain why they plan to sue and blackball so we can all understand the reasoning behind it. Of course, we don't really have that coming so what we will do is take whatever attitude seems right to us in the absence of any real contact or explanation from them.
It's true that some have named Dave (and one then said that's a common male name implying it could be anybody omg what a joke that is) but Dave came on the forum and told us it's not him and anyway, he's not on Sassie which is exactly what I meant when I said he's on Shopmetrics. Then I was jumped for naming Sentry like it's some kind of big deal to say that No, Sentry (Dave) is on Shopmetrics, he is not a Sassie company. People who don't even work for Dave and never have and never will are jumping his case (again) because they don't like him. He's not perfect but I admire the guy for the grit he shows and how hard he works to build his company. I believe I understand sometimes where he's coming from because our fuses are the exact same length (short). Some of this upsets me so much my heart goes blippity blip boom boom and I have to calm myself.
I don't want this to be anybody I know. I want this to be some insignificant unknown piece of delusional garbage who will light his own dynamite from both ends and watch it burn. I sure hope it doesn't turn out to be a friend of mine. That would be real disappointing and I'd hate it so much but hey we all have to cut a rope now and then.
Here's hoping for the best possible outcome here, whatever that may be. I think I'm done with this. Maybe. I know y'all are all relieved. Have some ice cream.
It would be great for the MSC/CEO to explain why they plan to sue and blackball so we can all understand the reasoning behind it. Of course, we don't really have that coming so what we will do is take whatever attitude seems right to us in the absence of any real contact or explanation from them.
It's true that some have named Dave (and one then said that's a common male name implying it could be anybody omg what a joke that is) but Dave came on the forum and told us it's not him and anyway, he's not on Sassie which is exactly what I meant when I said he's on Shopmetrics. Then I was jumped for naming Sentry like it's some kind of big deal to say that No, Sentry (Dave) is on Shopmetrics, he is not a Sassie company. People who don't even work for Dave and never have and never will are jumping his case (again) because they don't like him. He's not perfect but I admire the guy for the grit he shows and how hard he works to build his company. I believe I understand sometimes where he's coming from because our fuses are the exact same length (short). Some of this upsets me so much my heart goes blippity blip boom boom and I have to calm myself.
I don't want this to be anybody I know. I want this to be some insignificant unknown piece of delusional garbage who will light his own dynamite from both ends and watch it burn. I sure hope it doesn't turn out to be a friend of mine. That would be real disappointing and I'd hate it so much but hey we all have to cut a rope now and then.
Here's hoping for the best possible outcome here, whatever that may be. I think I'm done with this. Maybe. I know y'all are all relieved. Have some ice cream.
Mary Davis Nowell. Based close to Fort Worth. Shopping Interstate 20 east and west, Interstate 35 north and south.
Hate to broach this topic but was this also posted on the big V forum? Could they be confusing the two sites? I KNOW we know the difference but just a thought..
None of this would have ever happened, NONE of this, had the scheduler showed jackroe some sympathy and understanding when he was traumatically injured and ROBBED and I mean: From the BEGINNING of the event..... As I said earlier, in the beginning, the offending scheduler should have been removed from the job for her distasteful behavior towards the shopper "immediately." .
Had the scheduler believed jackroe despite having (424 shoppers before him making excuses for a shop being reported late) and putting him in their dirty, lying cesspool with every other shopper, then this would never have happened. For what it's worth, I do not then and do not now care to know who this MSC company is. They have to live with themselves for how they treated this shopper. Would it have made much difference had jackroe been an employee of this company? How would his treatment had differed had he not produced a report for the company on time? I shudder to think...
The MSC in question needs to apologize and should HAVE apologized to jackroe immediately. They should have paid him and deeply apologized. You are dealing with human beings here. Not shopper numbers. I am sure jackroe would have been understanding, removed the post if he felt it were a true misunderstanding and let things fall away.... But instead he received libelous, volatile threats via private messaging .
Now, this has turned UGLY with the CEO threatening and now accusing jackroe of printing the name of the scheduler and the mystery shopping company name in this forum, (not true) but could the CEO who learned from second-hand incorrect information, by thinking of the "other mystery shopping forum?" (Volition.com) Perhaps they need to be careful who they point their fingers at....
This company needs to put their Big Boy pants on and apologize to jackroe but it is likely too late for that now...
Had the scheduler believed jackroe despite having (424 shoppers before him making excuses for a shop being reported late) and putting him in their dirty, lying cesspool with every other shopper, then this would never have happened. For what it's worth, I do not then and do not now care to know who this MSC company is. They have to live with themselves for how they treated this shopper. Would it have made much difference had jackroe been an employee of this company? How would his treatment had differed had he not produced a report for the company on time? I shudder to think...
The MSC in question needs to apologize and should HAVE apologized to jackroe immediately. They should have paid him and deeply apologized. You are dealing with human beings here. Not shopper numbers. I am sure jackroe would have been understanding, removed the post if he felt it were a true misunderstanding and let things fall away.... But instead he received libelous, volatile threats via private messaging .
Now, this has turned UGLY with the CEO threatening and now accusing jackroe of printing the name of the scheduler and the mystery shopping company name in this forum, (not true) but could the CEO who learned from second-hand incorrect information, by thinking of the "other mystery shopping forum?" (Volition.com) Perhaps they need to be careful who they point their fingers at....
This company needs to put their Big Boy pants on and apologize to jackroe but it is likely too late for that now...
Who is this company? It needs to be name?
I hired an attorney that sent a demand letter to the msc as prelude to filing legal action. I don't care they de activated me and I know that is not actionsble. Twice I was accused by email so it s not debatable of posting the schedulers name. The msc name and and client name. I do not have account and do
Not read or post on any other mystery shop forums. My computer was sent to an outside service to verify all my browsing and internet history to validate no such information was ever posted from my account.btw, when I first told scheduler what happened when discharged from hospital I had uploaded the discharge papers that showed when admitted, discharged and reason for visit.
Not read or post on any other mystery shop forums. My computer was sent to an outside service to verify all my browsing and internet history to validate no such information was ever posted from my account.btw, when I first told scheduler what happened when discharged from hospital I had uploaded the discharge papers that showed when admitted, discharged and reason for visit.
Best wishes to you in dealing with this ugly situation. We are all in your corner. 
I think you do need an Attorney for sure. Who ever owns the shopping center is liable as it seems to me there is not adequate security measures being taken there. This would make them negligent and, will be good for your attorney to file a claim with their insurance company who will settle with you without going to court. The shopping center owners do not want that type of court case nor the publicity that goes with it.
Sometimes, bad @#$%& just happens. It's not necessarily anyone's fault 'cept the bad guy.
If there were no bad guys, how would we know who is good?
When someone is injured from an attack on your property they deserve to compensated for the injuries an at the least emotional distress. This is why we pay insurance.
A quick update
This is being posted after being reviewed and approved by my attorney.
There have been several exchanges between the attorneys and we have sent to the MSC a printout of the topic posted on the website, the police report and the hospital records.
The MSC is now taking the position that they DID NOT personally read what was posted and were relying on what the scheduler was telling them.
The MSC is admitting that the scheduler was lying to them about was posted to get at me for not completing the shop.
(talk about a negligent CEO for not personally verifying)!
This does not at all justify the extent of the threats made by the CEO to me.
They have been sent a copy of the lawsiuit that will be filed.
They have offered a low 6 digit settlement so far.
I am seeking a high six digit settlement and an agreement to post publicly who the scheduler is and the MSPA to be notified of the schedulers actions.
The MSC wants to handle the scheduler in house. ( scheduler is till working).
If they do not come up on the settlement within the next 10 days the lawsuit will be filed.
This is being posted after being reviewed and approved by my attorney.
There have been several exchanges between the attorneys and we have sent to the MSC a printout of the topic posted on the website, the police report and the hospital records.
The MSC is now taking the position that they DID NOT personally read what was posted and were relying on what the scheduler was telling them.
The MSC is admitting that the scheduler was lying to them about was posted to get at me for not completing the shop.
(talk about a negligent CEO for not personally verifying)!
This does not at all justify the extent of the threats made by the CEO to me.
They have been sent a copy of the lawsiuit that will be filed.
They have offered a low 6 digit settlement so far.
I am seeking a high six digit settlement and an agreement to post publicly who the scheduler is and the MSPA to be notified of the schedulers actions.
The MSC wants to handle the scheduler in house. ( scheduler is till working).
If they do not come up on the settlement within the next 10 days the lawsuit will be filed.
Are you doing better now physically? I am well aware that mentally it is going to take a while. Did you get your car back at least? Were the creeps caught?
Realistically, expect a compromise, and whatever the settlement, expect it to include language that the MSC and the CEO do not admit responsibility, and likely a gag order to prevent discussing the outcome. That;s just the way these things usually work out.
"To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be truthful." Edward R. Murrow
Thou shalt not steal. I mean defensively. On offense, indeed thou shall steal and thou must.--Branch Rickey
Thou shalt not steal. I mean defensively. On offense, indeed thou shall steal and thou must.--Branch Rickey
It amazes me why schedulers would not post the shop with qualifications requiring that the shopper have knowledge of shopping in an intercity demographic. They post shops with the qualifications that requires the shopper have the ability to speak a language or be the proper gender or in an age group to apply. If you are driving the wrong vehicle and wearing the wrong clothes you will be spotted and may be in danger..
@Piled Hip Deep, PHD wrote:
It amazes me why schedulers would not post the shop with qualifications requiring that the shopper have knowledge of shopping in an intercity demographic. They post shops with the qualifications that requires the shopper have the ability to speak a language or be the proper gender or in an age group to apply. If you are driving the wrong vehicle and wearing the wrong clothes you will be spotted and may be in danger..
In most cases, the schedulers know the demographics requested by the client. Many are scheduling shops in a lot of different locations. The schedulers are not in the same location as the shopper and have no idea about the specific neighborhood. The store manager of each particular store may know, but the client executive office may not know that information about each of its stores. Some inner city locations might be dangerous for some shoppers, depending on gender/race/age. Some rural locations might be far more dangerous.
A scheduler in Boise, ID will have no idea whether a particular neighborhood in New Orleans, LA is safe or not - and, beyond that, what particular age/ethnic group/gender might be at risk. If they tried to tell me, would I trust their judgement? Heck, NO! That's where "be aware of your surroundings" comes in. At some point, individual shoppers need to take responsibility for themselves and pay attention to the location of shops. It is my business to determine whether I can complete an assignment AND if I can do it safely.
This isn't related to the OP's situation. The OP said he was attacked in a "safe" area and it was an anomaly. Sometimes crime happens where and when no one would expect it.
COUNCIL BLUFFS, IA: IOWA’S MOST DANGEROUS CITY
Population: 62,708
Annual Crimes Per 1,000 Residents
Violent Crimes: 11.86 per 1,000 residents
Property Crimes: 68.41 per 1,000 residents
Total Reported Crimes: 80.28 per 1,000 residents
Council Bluffs has a crime rate of about 80 per one thousand residents.
Your chance of becoming a victim of a crime in Council Bluffs? One in 12.
Council Bluffs’ ranking when considering both violent and property crimes? #1
WEST MEMPHIS, AR: ARKANSAS’ MOST DANGEROUS CITY
Population: 26,153
Annual Crimes Per 1,000 Residents
Violent Crimes: 24.97 per 1,000 residents
Property Crimes: 91.54 per 1,000 residents
Total Reported Crimes: 116.51 per 1,000 residents
West Memphis has a crime rate of about 117 per one thousand residents.
Your chance of becoming a victim of a crime in West Memphis? One in 9
West Memphis’ ranking when considering both violent and property crimes? #1
ARDMORE, OK: OKLAHOMA’S MOST DANGEROUS CITY
Population: 24,704
Annual Crimes Per 1,000 Residents
Violent Crimes: 14.05 per 1,000 residents
Property Crimes: 59.02 per 1,000 residents
Total Reported Crimes: 73.07 per 1,000 residents
Ardmore has a crime rate of about 73 per one thousand residents.
Your chance of becoming a victim of a crime in Ardmore? One in 14.
Ardmore’s ranking when considering only violent crimes? #2
Population: 62,708
Annual Crimes Per 1,000 Residents
Violent Crimes: 11.86 per 1,000 residents
Property Crimes: 68.41 per 1,000 residents
Total Reported Crimes: 80.28 per 1,000 residents
Council Bluffs has a crime rate of about 80 per one thousand residents.
Your chance of becoming a victim of a crime in Council Bluffs? One in 12.
Council Bluffs’ ranking when considering both violent and property crimes? #1
WEST MEMPHIS, AR: ARKANSAS’ MOST DANGEROUS CITY
Population: 26,153
Annual Crimes Per 1,000 Residents
Violent Crimes: 24.97 per 1,000 residents
Property Crimes: 91.54 per 1,000 residents
Total Reported Crimes: 116.51 per 1,000 residents
West Memphis has a crime rate of about 117 per one thousand residents.
Your chance of becoming a victim of a crime in West Memphis? One in 9
West Memphis’ ranking when considering both violent and property crimes? #1
ARDMORE, OK: OKLAHOMA’S MOST DANGEROUS CITY
Population: 24,704
Annual Crimes Per 1,000 Residents
Violent Crimes: 14.05 per 1,000 residents
Property Crimes: 59.02 per 1,000 residents
Total Reported Crimes: 73.07 per 1,000 residents
Ardmore has a crime rate of about 73 per one thousand residents.
Your chance of becoming a victim of a crime in Ardmore? One in 14.
Ardmore’s ranking when considering only violent crimes? #2
Ask me if I really care what happens in Council Bluffs, IA. My point went way over your head which is not surprising at all.
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