Trans gendered guest to bring along to a dinner shop.

I have a question about a shop where I have to bring a female guest for a dinner shop. I see a dinner shop available and I want to bring my trans gender girlfriend along with me as my guest. I am just wondering if the MSC cares and if this is worth telling them about. She easily passes as a female so she wouldn't freak anyone out when she enters the women's bathroom, unless she tells them she is biologically a man (she is pre-op). This situation apply to anyone else?

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I would not hesitate to bring a TV or TG guest. Afterall, the guidelines do not even specify that the shopper and guest need to be of different genders. Most TV and TG folks are quite adept at their appearance. (That's not counting the odd TV who sports a full beard while "dressed."

So there should not be a problem with being memorable, given your statement about your friend's appearance.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/05/2016 02:26PM by walesmaven.

Why would anyone care? A female guest per the shop requirements. I doubt there will be chromosome testing. If anyone sneaks a peek to check in the bathroom, shame on them.

Unless you are in NC and are afraid that the police are going to ask for her birth certificate, I see no reason to inform anyone.

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Considering that I have never seen a ladies' restroom in the US that didn't have individual stalls to do your business, with only the sinks and mirrors outside the stalls except the handicapped stall, I am having issues wondering what the hubbub is about except bigotry. Do they somehow think 'incompletes' will mistake the sink for a urinal???

If your guest meets any age requirements, take them as long as they would blend in to not be memorable. And as far as being memorable, in my market anyone 'making a statement' with flaunted tats, draped bling, numerous body piercings or strange color hair (pink, purple, green, blue or combo) would be 'memorable' when compared to regular guests. Other 'memorables' would include those that talk or laugh too loudly, noticeably over or under dress, or make life difficult for the staff or servers. Your market may be different.

She passes as a female because SHE IS A FEMALE. Does not matter if she is pre or post op. I have a lot of trans friends FTM who are MALE and have never had bottom surgery. I myself am a lesbian and I have a wife. We always go on shops together. In fact, my wife tends to look like a guy when her hair is short, but she always uses the female restroom. Its sad that we even need to discuss this.

If your friend appears as a female, who would know? Cali, biologically he has the same chromosomes he was born with. Until there's a way to change that, he is male regardless of his appearance or physical condition.

As for the bathrooms, last time I was in Seattle, there was a big brouhaha because a perv was undressing in the women's locker room, and using the law as his defense. I would never, ever let my daughters use a public restroom there except for in the hospitals where they are single-use and cleaned very often. Seattle has become the armpit of the northwest. If Boeing, Amazon, and Microsoft didn't have so much money tied up in their facilities, the place would collapse on itself. Women's bathrooms are almost always much cleaner, so this is a "win" for men who don't want pee on the floor and "other stuff" in other places.

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(I think that was the OP's intention, bgriff, based on his other posts.)

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If he's on hormones, he's technically a woman.

@PasswordNotFound wrote:

(I think that was the OP's intention, bgriff, based on his other posts.)

Actually it was the exchange between you and calicakes that prompted my post.

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@calicakes wrote:

If he's on hormones, he's technically a woman.

Do hormones change his DNA? Post-menopausal women are still women. Ask your doctor how s/he refers to him medically -- socially, it will be with the pronoun a person prefers. Medically, it will be by the chromosomes he possesses. The hormones coursing through a person's body change throughout time. They are not what determines sex. According to the National Institute of Health (and basic biology and common sense), if there's a Y chromosome present, the person is male. It's not a matter of political correctness; it's a matter of biology. If, in the future, a way becomes possible for that Y chromosome to be isolated and removed, then that person could become female.

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We are getting very close to this becoming a political discussion. Maybe it already has. I think we need to agree to disagree about what makes someone male or female. I understand all the arguments, but this is IMHO not a question that can or should be addressed or answered here. There are a lot of strongly held opinions which are not relevant to mystery shopping discussions.

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Myst, I'm not sure that there are politics involved here. I have no idea where Cali's politics lie (I could hazard a guess, but it would be a guess.) And while people can choose to be called male or female, it does not change their biology, which is what the male/female determination is. No amount of hollering, protesting, or personal stories changes that. That's like saying that we can agree to disagree that the sky appears blue. As for not being relevant here, the original OP's post is all about biology, so it's answering the question.

There are no personal attacks here, and Cali has not expressed to me that she has an issue with the discussion (nor do I have a problem with her). If the discussion bothers someone who is viewing it from outside the discussion, there's always the option to not read the thread. If someone participating in the discussion is feeling personally attacked, a PM is all it takes. I'll stop posting in this thread simply because it's all been said. In the future, however, if someone has a problem, I would appreciate the courtesy of a PM.

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@calicakes wrote:

If he's on hormones, he's technically a woman.

Wrong. If she says she is a woman then she is a woman. Period. End of story.

It is not anyone's job to tell a person what gender is that person. Certainly not the state. Certainly not an eatery. Certainly not a MSC. And not even posters on this board.

@PasswordNotFound wrote:

Do hormones change his DNA? Post-menopausal women are still women.

what i find funny is my mom's meno medication is covered by insurance because medical field considers it a disease. My birth control pills arent covered by insurance. insurance companies are idiots.

@PasswordNotFound wrote:

As for not being relevant here, the original OP's post is all about biology, so it's answering the question.

read OPs other posts. he/she is pulling your leg. picked a controversial topic just to stir things up.

I just knew someday we'd all get wrapped up whether to define differences between sex and gender.

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@bgriffin wrote:

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Can you make it with extra butter?

@MSNinja wrote:

@PasswordNotFound wrote:

Do hormones change his DNA? Post-menopausal women are still women.
what i find funny is my mom's meno medication is covered by insurance because medical field considers it a disease. My birth control pills arent covered by insurance. insurance companies are idiots.

I'm pretty sure, thanks to the Affordable Care Act, your birth control should be covered without out of pocket expenses if you're here in the States.

@wwin

Your wrong.

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Their wrong what?

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At the moment only demons come to mind

@bgriffin wrote:

Their wrong what?

About being pretty sure that birth control is free under the Affordable Care Act.

My posts are solely based on my opinions and for my entertainment, contact a professional if you need real advice.

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HA! You missed the joke. You said "their" instead of "they're", so I was acting confused. Just yanking your chain a bit.

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Also I think your right as well. lol

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@isaiah58 wrote:

@wwin

Your wrong.

You're wrong about what? I'm getting confused.

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@BirdyC wrote:

@isaiah58 wrote:

@wwin

Your wrong.

You're wrong about what? I'm getting confused.

The Affordable Care Act does not guarantee any specific coverages. Birth Control, for example, has become more expensive to most and not covered under many plans. Diabetics have seen costs escalate. Many plans have dropped coverage for anything from compounding pharmacies. Basically, regardless of the cost to have a plan, it has become more expensive for services between dropped coverage, reduced offsets, higher copays, etc...

My posts are solely based on my opinions and for my entertainment, contact a professional if you need real advice.

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Why are we even discussing any of this? The OP started this thread as a joke, strictly for his amusement. You people keep feeding his ego never mind discussing politics and bordering religious beliefs in a MYSTERY SHOPPING FORUM. Don't you have shops to look for, reports to write or other threads to whine about misleading emails from schedulers? Good grief!

@isaiah58 wrote:

@wwin

Your wrong.

My apologies. Since this isn't an issue that affects me directly I rely on my reading. I now see that ACA mandates all non-grandfathered plans (as well as religious employers but they are covered still by another provider) must cover contraceptive methods. It would have been more appropriate for me to say most. Of course, I haven't kept up with the supreme court decisions that could also affect some states.

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@isaiah58 wrote:

@BirdyC wrote:

@isaiah58 wrote:

@wwin

Your wrong.

You're wrong about what? I'm getting confused.

The Affordable Care Act does not guarantee any specific coverages.

That's not what I was confused about. But, never mind....

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