Ninja, some of us old people get excitement out of a nice bottle of wine with dinner or watching a movie at home with some popcorn (or at least I do). And apparently the topic of khakis is more interesting than politics (thank goodness).

If legally pursuing this issue will not be inconvenient for you, it might help you get paid and it also might help establish better ground rules for shoppers. Of course, it might also place you on a "black list". If you are a casual shopper and don't mind being blacklisted (which may lead to a harder to win law suit) then I would say go for it.

As it stands, mystery shoppers have very little rights in bargaining. As a matter of fact there is current legislative talk to create an additional labor category for dotcom workers like mystery shoppers. This 3rd category would be allowed to have some bargaining rights. As it is right now, mystery shoppers have very little representation and power. For example, there is no labor policy stating when a job can be pulled. You can sign up for a job, be approved, and at the last minute it is perfectly legal for the job to be pulled. You have no rights with regards to ensuring that a rejected/not paid job is truly not used. You can complete a job and perhaps everything but one question is used in the data analyses yet you are not paid for any of the work that was used. Then there is your situation where perhaps instructions were not as clear as they should have been or even situations where instructions were incorrect causing non-payment of a completed task.

Sadly, shoppers tend to let things go and move on to other companies quietly. They feel the only recourse is just to let it go and move on. In my own experience this is not how our society works or how our society improves. Mostly, society improves from standing up for rights and against injustices not by simply moving on.

I complete my shops quickly and professionally. I give my companies quality work and respect. I expect they have to reciprocate on every level and to date, they have. When I started shopping I had a shop rejected, but it was my mistake and I apologized. Since then I've continued to have shops with that company and completed them perfectly. However, if I had not been at fault, you better believe I would have taken the company to task with all the legal force available to me.

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@bgriffin wrote:

So basically what you're saying is that you're a fabric purist and believe that khaki SHOULD only refer to the color and not the style of pants even though in common usage it has become to also mean the style of pants because there is no such thing as a fabric type that is called khaki?

I couldn't have said it much better myself! Call me anal, but, yes, I'm a fabric purist.

Although... not considering khakis to be a style has nothing to do with there not being such a thing as a khaki-weave fabric. Style and fabric are still two different animals. But chinos and khakis are a more casual style because of the weave and weight of the fabric--you couldn't have true "dress slacks" made of chino (and khakis usually are made of chino fabric).



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@quickq wrote:

In New Jersey the civil courts are 5 years behind in scheduling cases. The criminal courts borrow the civil courts resources as alleged criminal defendants must be set free if they do not get a speedy trial. In smaller counties where there are more cows than criminals and if the action occurred in those rural counties you may get a speedier civil trial date.

I negotiated many MISUNDERSTANDINGS. . Attorneys who left the firm to practice other specialties of law called me to "do them a favor" They saw me take their dormant cases waiting for trial and make "magic" (not my definition) I practiced common sense. , They called me "Merlin" Suffice to say every claim is different

Clients would have gone out of business if I did not notice a flaw and SUGGEST they fix it as no customer would be happy being cheated or abused. You may want to point out any ambiguity and clarify it before the shop.Tell them they may find themselves without shoppers if they do not proof read their guidelines when shoppers suggest a problem. Some companies like the furniture shop with over 200 questions deliberately include ambiguous questions.

I told many schedulers,"I should put a sign on my forehead "Mystery Shopper" if you want me to say or do that'. The scheduler called their client and the guidelines were changed. Some did not change the guidelines as the guidelines were not offered until after I accepted the shop we had a misunderstanding. I expected them to allow me to decline the shop without penalty. If they did not I did not work for them ever again. I see most of them are no longer in business. Fool me once, shame on you. . Fool me twice, shame on me.

@BirdyC wrote:

@MSNinja wrote:

who R U quoting here exactly i never wrote that.

I never said you did. I was quoting bgriffin directly and alluding to your post in which you said

@ wrote:

khaki is color & fabric. they do come in diff colors.

for someone whos anal about grammar U should learn to quote the correct person,

@JASFLALMT wrote:

And apparently the topic of khakis is more interesting than politics (thank goodness).

kinda sad. no wonder other countries dont respect usa.

for someone whos anal about grammar U should learn to quote the correct person,[/quote]

I did, if you had read the quotes in context with their logical progression. My words and meaning were clear.



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Ahhh, Ninja. Just because we don't post about politics doesn't mean we don't follow or understand politics.

@BirdyC wrote:

for someone whos anal about grammar U should learn to quote the correct person,

I did, if you had read the quotes in context with their logical progression. My words and meaning were clear. [/quote]
again u r not quoting right.

I had a gas station shop that was rejected. I found out when I had to chase the payment.

I caught an employee stealing, and that went into my report. The MSC said that I did not respond to follow up emails within x hours. Their emails never came to my Inbox, but went to the email section on their site. This was new.

Anywho, I sucked up the $12.18 (gas, donut and coffee) and I still shop for them.

Just from the multiple descriptions of the MSC, It should be common knowledge of who they are and what they are about. I cannot mention names as it is unethical but plumb your knowledge base and you will see who these people are. Hint: When they reject your shop, it is always signed "proofreader" They are afraid to us real names as God forbid, Some disgruntled shopper may try to contact them. We know who this is.

Man, if I had attorneys as friends or family, a serious letter, implying future action would be necessary based on their timely response, would have been already sent. NO, I do not believe that this particular OP should "let it go". They do not need this MSC for future jobs. IMO, they were raped. Should they just let the rapist continue to abuse others? My opinion is no. A shopper like me, with no attorney in my pocket, would be forced into doing nothing and sucking it up. This OP can DO something to change this company's practices and attitude. This is especially important, to me, as BBB complaints have previously been filed (a fact the letter should reference).

What a horrible analogy. To liken a financial dispute to a life altering crime is going too far.

@Crickettt wrote:

IMO, they were raped. Should they just let the rapist continue to abuse others?

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@LisaSTL wrote:

What a horrible analogy. To liken a financial dispute to a life altering crime is going too far.

@Crickettt wrote:

IMO, they were raped. Should they just let the rapist continue to abuse others?

Certainly melodramatic and inappropriate.

Analogy aside (not that I am personally against it), I do think that having justice in terms of payment is absolutely a dire situation. Labor and human rights are always kept together because of the importance and impact it has on society.

Long ago and far away, when I was a lassie and modeled for my uncle who was "Gordon of Calif", and manufactured woman's suits and coats in San Francisco, Khaki was a color, not a fabric...I think the fabric
may have been heavy cotton. I'm not a Gap shopper, but, I know during the war Khaki was popular for it';s durance. Things have evolved, and since Khaki color was hip, (in the 60's), being either Khaki green or beige. Since I haven't explored details, I agree with what everyone said, but I still think it a color, not a fabric.

Who knew that clicking on a thread called Recourse for Rejected Shop would result in a fabric education. Man, I love this forum.

WTF? Color vs. fabric? Khakis vs. Chinos? Some people will find an argument in the least insignificant of things. And the topic is still be discussed weeks later. Oy!

"The least insignificant things?" I beg to differ. This was the most insignificant IMO.

Blame it on the jet lag. I probably shouldn't be allowed to post in a public forum with a non-brain right now.

Oh the restraint.

@Crickettt wrote:

Man, if I had attorneys as friends or family, a serious letter, implying future action would be necessary based on their timely response, would have been already sent. NO, I do not believe that this particular OP should "let it go". They do not need this MSC for future jobs. IMO, they were raped. Should they just let the rapist continue to abuse others? My opinion is no. A shopper like me, with no attorney in my pocket, would be forced into doing nothing and sucking it up. This OP can DO something to change this company's practices and attitude. This is especially important, to me, as BBB complaints have previously been filed (a fact the letter should reference).

your analogy to being "raped" shows that you don't have a grasp on making an analogy that has some degree of credibility to it. i really can't take offense at your poorly written (on so many levels) comment because (even though i don't have a clue who/what you are) i have to consider the source (which kinda/sorta defines you?).

no offense, tho.

@Sybil2 wrote:

I probably shouldn't be allowed to post in a public forum.

Oh crap there went the restraint.

@bgriffin wrote:

@Sybil2 wrote:

I probably shouldn't be allowed to post in a public forum.

Oh crap there went the restraint.

No restraint needed. But I do think you desperately need a vacay. Or new panties that don't ride up so much.

@Sybil2 wrote:

@bgriffin wrote:

@Sybil2 wrote:

I probably shouldn't be allowed to post in a public forum.

Oh crap there went the restraint.

No restraint needed. But I do think you desperately need a vacay. Or new panties that don't ride up so much.

a perfect way to spend a thursday = with a full-throat-ed cat fight.

@Sybil2 wrote:

@bgriffin wrote:

@Sybil2 wrote:

I probably shouldn't be allowed to post in a public forum.

Oh crap there went the restraint.

No restraint needed. But I do think you desperately need a vacay. Or new panties that don't ride up so much.

I would agree but didn't seem to do you any good.....

@bgriffin wrote:

@Sybil2 wrote:

@bgriffin wrote:

@Sybil2 wrote:

I probably shouldn't be allowed to post in a public forum.

Oh crap there went the restraint.

No restraint needed. But I do think you desperately need a vacay. Or new panties that don't ride up so much.

I would agree but didn't seem to do you any good.....

excellent but there is a definite need for more hotter takes, tho. i don't have any skin in this game or i would dive in with my usual inappropriate, vulgar and sometimes off-topic comments, most of which elicit replies that are usually wayyy tooo serious.

Brian...in this one case, I wish you would!