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It's not clear what happened in the shooting of the man who died. We're getting conflicting reports on that. It is clear that those who are rioting and looting are criminals. They should be arrested and tried for their crimes.
Mary Davis Nowell. Based close to Fort Worth. Shopping Interstate 20 east and west, Interstate 35 north and south.
BBird0701 Wrote:
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They are, first and foremost, a tool, to me.
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> I won't make that mistake again.
Thank goodness you not only lived to tell about it but also seem to have come out of it as a very strong, determined person. There is nothing wrong, IMO, with preparing for self-preservation. It doesn't make you a violent person - though your experience could have if you had let it.
There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
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They are, first and foremost, a tool, to me.
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> I won't make that mistake again.
Thank goodness you not only lived to tell about it but also seem to have come out of it as a very strong, determined person. There is nothing wrong, IMO, with preparing for self-preservation. It doesn't make you a violent person - though your experience could have if you had let it.
Thank you, and I'm sorry to have gone on so long about it, but I guess it rubbed me wrongly to have it said that stating a fact is bragging, and that owning a firearm means that you promote violence. I'm about as nonviolent as it gets, and so is everyone I know, who owns firearms. Some are like me, who have witnessed violence firsthand, and now know the ugly reality that it can happen to anyone. Most are like Bearclaw...people who don't want to be like me, and are smart enough to learn from the situations of others.
LJ Wrote:
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> BBird0701 Wrote:
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> They are, first and foremost, a tool, to me.
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> This ^
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> > I won't make that mistake again.
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> Thank goodness you not only lived to
> tell about it but also seem to have come out of it
> as a very strong, determined person. There is
> nothing wrong, IMO, with preparing for
> self-preservation. It doesn't make you a violent
> person - though your experience could have if you
> had let it.
LJ Wrote:
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> BBird0701 Wrote:
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> They are, first and foremost, a tool, to me.
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> This ^
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> > I won't make that mistake again.
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> Thank goodness you not only lived to
> tell about it but also seem to have come out of it
> as a very strong, determined person. There is
> nothing wrong, IMO, with preparing for
> self-preservation. It doesn't make you a violent
> person - though your experience could have if you
> had let it.
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Plan the work. Work the plan.
Plan the work. Work the plan.
What are you talking about? As far as I can tell there was no bragging (otherwise caliber would have been mentioned) or threatening (unless any of you intend on breaking into my house, then you can call it a threat).
You have no idea what this incident has done to some of us. Something I posted earlier and then deleted b/c I felt like it was too much personal info, I will say again. While I do not live in STL, I take the QT looting/burning VERY personal. I worked at the QT corp office for 9 years, and am friends with the owner, as well as many other employees. That is why I have gotten so riled up over this. I left on very good terms and still consider them a family even though I left several years ago. And yes, they are INNOCENT BYSTANDERS, I don't believe a single post on this thread has condoned violence. Protecting yourself in your own domain is not considered violence, it is exactly that, protecting yourself in your own domain.
We are all aware of what is going on in STL, and those of us who pray are praying for them. But don't you dare tell me I have bragged or encouraged violence. That is plain Bull SH*T. Not a thing I have said condones violence or bragged about my gun. The only reason the guns were even brought up is b/c Soju felt the need to mention TWICE in two different posts about a Glock (which I'm certain is directed at me), which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the issue at hand.
CANADAMOMMY Wrote:
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> LJ and Bearclaw to you both- I have to say over
> the years Lisa and I have agreeded to disagree
> about many a shop but I an all on her side that
> the community needs support right now and not more
> violence or bragging of who has a glock or who
> does not. What will that solve to encourage more
> violence?
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You have no idea what this incident has done to some of us. Something I posted earlier and then deleted b/c I felt like it was too much personal info, I will say again. While I do not live in STL, I take the QT looting/burning VERY personal. I worked at the QT corp office for 9 years, and am friends with the owner, as well as many other employees. That is why I have gotten so riled up over this. I left on very good terms and still consider them a family even though I left several years ago. And yes, they are INNOCENT BYSTANDERS, I don't believe a single post on this thread has condoned violence. Protecting yourself in your own domain is not considered violence, it is exactly that, protecting yourself in your own domain.
We are all aware of what is going on in STL, and those of us who pray are praying for them. But don't you dare tell me I have bragged or encouraged violence. That is plain Bull SH*T. Not a thing I have said condones violence or bragged about my gun. The only reason the guns were even brought up is b/c Soju felt the need to mention TWICE in two different posts about a Glock (which I'm certain is directed at me), which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the issue at hand.
CANADAMOMMY Wrote:
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> LJ and Bearclaw to you both- I have to say over
> the years Lisa and I have agreeded to disagree
> about many a shop but I an all on her side that
> the community needs support right now and not more
> violence or bragging of who has a glock or who
> does not. What will that solve to encourage more
> violence?
>
Wow, it's been a while (my move to Austin has really made shopping super difficult), but I've missed the passion this group has (for each other, for subjects, for their own feelings/opinions/ideas, etc.).
I lived very close to St L before I moved and went down there quite a bit (one of my favorite music places is there!). I love St L and I'm so sorry to hear about all the stuff that's going on. I worry for everyone and I hope that everyone is okay. I've thought of Lisa and Mary quite a few times. I really hope everyone heals and that the acts of violence will dissipate.
BBird, we don't know one another (I'm not sure we've ever "met"
, but I'm so sorry for what happened to you. There are some terrible human beings in this world-- that's for sure, and I think that part of that problem is that people think how things are going to affect themselves or _are_ affecting themselves, and not how they'll affect someone else. It's too much me, me, me-- but there are a lot of people (and I'm sure you already know this) who'll see you and wish different and want to protect you too and send you love and support. God, if I could, I'd kick some ass for you! =P But look at how amazing you are. You've taken something that could otherwise render any normal person inert and you've used it to rally, you've used it to empower. Like I said, you're amazing! Not many people can do that on their own (or do it, period). What you've done is inspiring.
It has been a very long time, ya'll. I am sending hellos to everyone and despite this rioting and the shootings (terrible tragedy that it is), that folks are doing well for the most part. <3
Jen
I lived very close to St L before I moved and went down there quite a bit (one of my favorite music places is there!). I love St L and I'm so sorry to hear about all the stuff that's going on. I worry for everyone and I hope that everyone is okay. I've thought of Lisa and Mary quite a few times. I really hope everyone heals and that the acts of violence will dissipate.
BBird, we don't know one another (I'm not sure we've ever "met"
, but I'm so sorry for what happened to you. There are some terrible human beings in this world-- that's for sure, and I think that part of that problem is that people think how things are going to affect themselves or _are_ affecting themselves, and not how they'll affect someone else. It's too much me, me, me-- but there are a lot of people (and I'm sure you already know this) who'll see you and wish different and want to protect you too and send you love and support. God, if I could, I'd kick some ass for you! =P But look at how amazing you are. You've taken something that could otherwise render any normal person inert and you've used it to rally, you've used it to empower. Like I said, you're amazing! Not many people can do that on their own (or do it, period). What you've done is inspiring.
It has been a very long time, ya'll. I am sending hellos to everyone and despite this rioting and the shootings (terrible tragedy that it is), that folks are doing well for the most part. <3
Jen
Well I'll be danged. I thought you moved to Mars instead of Austin
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
You know, I feel ya! It's been one thing after the other, tho! We're in the process of building a house, so.. that's been like dealing with aliens. ;D
Re child - whether he was 18 or 2 or 52. He was his mothers child. I have lost a child and it hurts.
I don't know the specifics to this case. But with reference to the OP, I am so very sorry that this has affected your shops.
With reference to the family, I am sorry that you lost a family member.
With reference to all the police involved, they have a dangerous job, and don't get paid enough to do it. I pray for their safety.
With reference to the crowd, I pray that your hurt and pain will be addressed and that situations like this will stop happening.
With reference to the victim himself, I am so sorry that you had to lose your life for whatever happened. I pray that you are accepted into Gods arms.
I don't know the specifics to this case. But with reference to the OP, I am so very sorry that this has affected your shops.
With reference to the family, I am sorry that you lost a family member.
With reference to all the police involved, they have a dangerous job, and don't get paid enough to do it. I pray for their safety.
With reference to the crowd, I pray that your hurt and pain will be addressed and that situations like this will stop happening.
With reference to the victim himself, I am so sorry that you had to lose your life for whatever happened. I pray that you are accepted into Gods arms.
When you learn, teach, when you get, give. Maya Angelou
The young man killed is alleged to be the same one committing a strong arm robbery at a convenience store about 10 minutes before the confrontation. Video of the robbery has been released. While not in detail, it has finally been said the officer suffered injuries during their struggle which contradicts the eyewitness reports the young man was nowhere near the officer during the entire interaction. After pressure the police released the name of the officer yet are now being condemned for releasing the video of the robbery. In an ironic and potentially dangerous twist of fate, the officer shares the name of a black St. Louis city police officer. The STL officer has been receiving death threats.
The situation has gotten out of control and is being egged on by the national media and social media.
The situation has gotten out of control and is being egged on by the national media and social media.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
I think the looters should be punished my making them take the ride through the arch.
My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me.
Benjamin Disraeli
Benjamin Disraeli
I can say this without quilt, since my family has been bi-racial for 50 years and I myself was raised in the projects in Pittsburgh. When is the last time any other nationality rioted, looted and set fire to business because one of them was attacked, killed or beaten without provocation? I live in Louisville, Ky. Just recently, a gang of roving blacks attacked several white people, robbed and vandalized business. Did that make anything but local news? No. The problem today is people not taking responsibility for their actions and trying to make excuses for bad behavior.
Sad to see you do not think this is a serious issue.
cpburt Wrote:
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> I think the looters should be punished my making
> them take the ride through the arch.
cpburt Wrote:
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> I think the looters should be punished my making
> them take the ride through the arch.
Stageangel, you can say it without guilt because that's how you feel. However, even being of a race doesn't exactly give someone a free pass to be racist. TBH, some of the most racist people I've ever met have been of the very race they were deprecating.
BTW, this happens frequently in other countries as well. April of this year in Syria, June of last year in Turkey. They started as political rallies, I believe, but once attacked by authorities, it escalated into riots.
BTW, this happens frequently in other countries as well. April of this year in Syria, June of last year in Turkey. They started as political rallies, I believe, but once attacked by authorities, it escalated into riots.
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Plan the work. Work the plan.
Plan the work. Work the plan.
This is not the same as a political protest. It is unfortunate the protesters get infiltrated by the criminals and the pattern is the later it gets at night, the more likely for trouble. The peaceful group, which is most, have tried to shield businesses and keep the peace themselves. Now the police are being put down on the national news for instituting a reasonable curfew, midnight to 5am. The only thing I never hear is someone suggesting a better way to protect the peaceful protesters AND the police.
I also hear a lot of references to St Louis and St. Louis County which make it sound as if this is widespread unrest. The St. Louis metro encompasses the city and actually two counties just on the Missouri side of the river, somewhere around 2 million or so people. Ferguson is a small municipality and the area with the looting and riots is only about 6 to 10 blocks. Meanwhile, things are quite normal everywhere else.
I also hear a lot of references to St Louis and St. Louis County which make it sound as if this is widespread unrest. The St. Louis metro encompasses the city and actually two counties just on the Missouri side of the river, somewhere around 2 million or so people. Ferguson is a small municipality and the area with the looting and riots is only about 6 to 10 blocks. Meanwhile, things are quite normal everywhere else.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
It has affected my shops also. But guess what..I am a Ferguson resident and I have seen the national news say so many inaccurate things it hurts. Just so that everyone know..Ferguson is St. Louis. St. Louis is just a place that has a name for each part of St. Louis city and county. And yes I won't judge but one thing is for sure...He was unarmed and was running away. Ferguson is a racially mixed close community and I don't think that is being displayed. It is not Ferguson that are the looters. I pray for the residents, the family of the 18 year old and everyone that is trying to keep the peace.
Yes Ferguson is a part of St. Louis County and what is considered the St. Louis Metro area. The Metro includes the city, county and St. Charles County in Missouri along with several counties in Illinois. Ferguson is also an incorporated city with residents paying taxes to the city and voting for it's elected officials rather than just a named neighborhood. I have known many people who have lived in Ferguson and always found it to be the close knit community and have no clue what the national media is trying to make it out to be.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
It has affected my shops also. But guess what..I am a Ferguson resident and I have seen the national news say so many inaccurate things it hurts. Just so that everyone know..Ferguson is St. Louis. St. Louis is just a place that has a name for each part of St. Louis city and county. And yes I won't judge but one thing is for sure...He was unarmed and was running away. Ferguson is a racially mixed close community and I don't think that is being displayed. It is not Ferguson that are the looters. I pray for the residents, the family of the 18 year old and everyone that is trying to keep the peace.
OK, so this is VERY interesting. Brand new home video capturing a witness to the shooting telling a neighbor what happened. The conversation was unknowingly captured by the people speaking immediately following the shooting. According to this eye witness, the young man was running TOWARD the police when he was shot, not away. And as the story states, what incentive would he have to lie at this particular time?
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This is unedited video directly after the shooting and does show the young man deceased in the street. Viewer discretion is advised.
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*****Disclaimer*******
This is unedited video directly after the shooting and does show the young man deceased in the street. Viewer discretion is advised.
[www.ijreview.com]
It's probably just me, but I saw this link for this video-- honoring a teacher who is retiring after 41 years of service-- and thought... I'd much rather see this, than see that. =X
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I think the one thing that can be said about what's happened and what's happening is that it's a tragedy. It's a tragedy that people have been hurt, that death has been the end of a life and possibly a career, that racial tensions still exist, that the haves and the have nots can never seem to find that middle ground where there's enough for all.
I wish wishing things were different was enough. =X
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I think the one thing that can be said about what's happened and what's happening is that it's a tragedy. It's a tragedy that people have been hurt, that death has been the end of a life and possibly a career, that racial tensions still exist, that the haves and the have nots can never seem to find that middle ground where there's enough for all.
I wish wishing things were different was enough. =X
I have been watching current happenings for the last almost two hours. There is now data that he was shot 6 times, four in the arm and one in the head. He was not running away from the police.
There has been gunfire at police and at the crowd or fireworks towards homes and or apartments and molatov(?sp) cocktails going off aimed at the police and much more going on. There is a now a fire at Delwood Market. They are stressing that there are two types of people that have been on hand each night. The peaceful protesters are the locals that live in the area. the others are ones apparently not from the area and that are trying to incite the violence.
Please pray and/or hope that this will soon stop. There is no need for all of this violence. Yes, there are things between the races that need to be settled and handled differently. But there are also clergy, government and police officials that are working on this. Yes, a child died and whether the police were in the right or wrong needs to be determined. But this violence by ones not even involved in the community HAS GOT TO STOP. People we can work on these things peacefully not with this unnecssary violence.
There has been gunfire at police and at the crowd or fireworks towards homes and or apartments and molatov(?sp) cocktails going off aimed at the police and much more going on. There is a now a fire at Delwood Market. They are stressing that there are two types of people that have been on hand each night. The peaceful protesters are the locals that live in the area. the others are ones apparently not from the area and that are trying to incite the violence.
Please pray and/or hope that this will soon stop. There is no need for all of this violence. Yes, there are things between the races that need to be settled and handled differently. But there are also clergy, government and police officials that are working on this. Yes, a child died and whether the police were in the right or wrong needs to be determined. But this violence by ones not even involved in the community HAS GOT TO STOP. People we can work on these things peacefully not with this unnecssary violence.
LJ: I don't know how you feel but who are you to tell someone else to "write what you really feel and I don't think hilarious is what you meant to say?" To each his own. We must agree to disagree, not try to live in the shadows or words of someone else. Perhaps, at 09 am, the intentions and the outcome of the police and the mob overnight was a difficult situation.
This situation has been long and coming. The fact it happened in Ferguson, only mean that it could of happened anywhere. News media have the world focus on events in another country, that sometimes we don't want to know what is happening on our own streets here in America. While some turn a blind eye, other see or encounter it everyday.
This situation has been long and coming. The fact it happened in Ferguson, only mean that it could of happened anywhere. News media have the world focus on events in another country, that sometimes we don't want to know what is happening on our own streets here in America. While some turn a blind eye, other see or encounter it everyday.
Sojo, now please ask yourself, who are you to tell someone else what to write? Pot and kettle situation here. I'm sorry, I don't want to hurt your feelings, but is that chip on your shoulder making you think crooked? You are obviously biased and apparently you think the rioting and looting in Ferguson is a good thing. So, if those criminals looted and burned your home you'd feel sympathetic, right? I mean, of course, if no thanks to them you got out alive.
Mary Davis Nowell. Based close to Fort Worth. Shopping Interstate 20 east and west, Interstate 35 north and south.
Sojo, with all due respect, now you're telling me what to post or not post. My intent was to prevent a backlash of people offended by someone thinking this situation is hilarious. Someone who struggles with our language and then says something is sad followed by hilarious leads me to believe the poster made a simple vocabulary error. When I was in Europe, I made more than one vocabulary errors that changed the entire meaning of a sentence. If the poster really meant "hilarious", I'm sure he/she is perfectly capable of correcting me without your help.
Kindly practice what you preach, m-kay?
There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
Kindly practice what you preach, m-kay?
Active human
could you explain what you find hilarious in this event?
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> Very Sad and hilarious situation created by mob
could you explain what you find hilarious in this event?
Active human Wrote:
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> Very Sad and hilarious situation created by mob
CANADAMOMMY Wrote:
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> Active human
> could you explain what you find hilarious in this
> event?
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Okay, maybe I should have just worded it this way?
There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
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> Active human
> could you explain what you find hilarious in this
> event?
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Okay, maybe I should have just worded it this way?
LJ, I applaud you for your tact and respectful response. I want to be you! 
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I intend to live forever. So far, so good.
stilllearning Wrote:
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> LJ, I applaud you for your tact and respectful
> response. I want to be you!
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LOL - No you don't I'm a mess! :p <3
There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
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> LJ, I applaud you for your tact and respectful
> response. I want to be you!
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LOL - No you don't I'm a mess! :p <3
WIt has affected my shops also. But guess what..I am a Ferguson resident and I have seen the national news say so many inaccurate things it hurts. Just so that everyone know..Ferguson is St. Louis. St. Louis is just a place that has a name for each part of St. Louis city and county. And yes I won't judge but one thing is for sure...He was unarmed and was running away. Ferguson is a racially mixed close community and I don't think that is being displayed. It is not Ferguson that are the looters. I pray for the residents, the family of the 18 year old and everyone that is trying to keep the peace.
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