Thanks to this forum, I cancelled a rock n roll shop and let the scheduler know that I had heard that Freeman was not paying shoppers and that I wasn't independently wealthy and able to do the shop and absorb the costs.

Katfromct7,
When did Freeman want to schedule you for the job you cancelled? Are they still operating?
Thanks!

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/16/2013 02:35AM by CAscotch.

Did anyone ever hear about any legal action against Freemans?

I heard the company had declared bankruptcy. If so, I'm guessing there can't be any further legal action. Has anyone heard more?

[www.freemangroupsolutions.com]

they still have a web site up.

And here's the BBB complaints

[www.bbb.org]

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/03/2014 10:38AM by cindy55.

here's his phone number, just for fun. I can not find any kind of bankruptcy on them, so far.....


[www.corporationwiki.com]

I don't think they ever filed for bankruptcy. Bill just ran off with everyone's $$ and continues to work as a consultant from what I understand.

cindy5ey Wrote:
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> Did anyone ever hear about any legal action
> against Freemans?


Someone did file in small claims against him in 2012 for a couple of hundred dollars, the case was dismissed. ( Usually that means he paid the claim off before court so as to not have a judgment against him on record)

SteveSoCal Wrote:
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> Bill just ran off with everyone's $$

Obviously I wasn't around when they went belly up, but I imagine this statement is unnecessarily incendiary. I thought the company went broke and didn't HAVE the money to run off with. Or was this a case of him taking all the money out of the company and then claiming they didn't have it?

I see a reference to "his" name and that he is consulting elsewhere. If someone will give me his name and whatever else you know I'll track his comp ay down and let them know what he has done. Does anyone have any info for me?

Lucyball,

"His" name is Bill Freeman, and he still owes me a couple thousand dollars. I know he owes a couple hundred to some other people too. Please let me know any information you get.

Thanks!

bgriffin Wrote:
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> Or was
> this a case of him taking all the money out of the
> company and then claiming they didn't have it?

Be glad you missed that debacle, bgriffin. Bill was notorious for publishing pompus articles about his first-class air travel and the fine hotels he stayed at, but directed his staff to obfuscate the financial details of the company when recruiting shoppers, sent natives in third-world countries on shops that cost them the equivalent of a weeks pay (and never paid them), made failed promises to pay his own employees (who continued to work while not being paid, apparently), hired uninformed third-party schedulers to continue to dupe shoppers and never paid them either, etc., etc.

IMHO, nothing mean said about this guy is unnecessarily incendiary. It's not some unfortunate situation where they tried hard to make things work and it just wasn't meant to be. They had an outdated business model with an extremely high overhead, and then left shoppers to foot the bill for all of it using deception. Mainly new and unsuspecting shoppers, since most with experience in the industry opted out of Freeman shops before they went belly up.

SteveSoCal Wrote:
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> bgriffin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Or was
> > this a case of him taking all the money out of
> the
> > company and then claiming they didn't have it?
>
> Be glad you missed that debacle, bgriffin. Bill
> was notorious for publishing pompus articles about
> his first-class air travel and the fine hotels he
> stayed at, but directed his staff to obfuscate the
> financial details of the company when recruiting
> shoppers, sent natives in third-world countries on
> shops that cost them the equivalent of a weeks pay
> (and never paid them), made failed promises to pay
> his own employees (who continued to work while not
> being paid, apparently), hired uninformed
> third-party schedulers to continue to dupe
> shoppers and never paid them either, etc., etc.
>
> IMHO, nothing mean said about this guy is
> unnecessarily incendiary. It's not some
> unfortunate situation where they tried hard to
> make things work and it just wasn't meant to be.
> They had an outdated business model with an
> extremely high overhead, and then left shoppers to
> foot the bill for all of it using deception.
> Mainly new and unsuspecting shoppers, since most
> with experience in the industry opted out of
> Freeman shops before they went belly up.

Steve pretty much has this right. I got out LONG ago.

If you have the ICA or Shopper Agreement, look and see where they list where legal disputes are supposed to be resolved. Then check the state where you did the shop.

In Indiana, they have to show up to court. They might be able to forward the agreement to the court without appearing and the court could through out your case. But doesn't seem like they would do this.

In Indiana, when you when a case, you can go to Proceedings Supplemental. They have to show up in court to face an inquisition of their assets. If they do not show up, you can request the judge to issue a Body Attachment Warrant, which means law enforcement gets them, delivers them to the pokey in the jurisdiction that you filed until the court date.

William P. Freeman is the Governing Person of Freeman Group Measurement, LLC and inactive roles in four additional companies .

Freeman Group Measurement, LLC filed as a Domestic Limited Liability Company (LLC) in the State of Texas filed on Thursday, April 11, 1996. This corporation is approximately eighteen years old according to documents filed with Texas Secretary of State. Freeman Group Measurement, LLC also lists Ed Knowling as Governing Person.

William P. Freeman is connected to other officers through these corporate roles. One of the top connections is Ed Knowling .

William's past corporate interests include the Managing Member of Sam & George, LLC and the Member of Freeman Group Management, LLC William has additional archived roles with two other companies including:
• Past Managing Member of Sam & George, LLC
• Past Member of Freeman Group Management, LLC
• Past President of Freeman Group, Inc.
• Past President of Freeman Group North Florida Inc.
.

Thx much.......has he been pursued or tracked outside of whomever personally sued him?

Very long, here's a short copy, see my previous posting with BBB link for the long versionConsumer Complaints
This Business is not BBB Accredited

FreemanGroup
Phone: (972) 479-1345
Fax: (972) 479-1366
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BBB began including the text of consumer complaints and business responses in BBB Business Reviews on 07/01/2013 for complaints filed on 01/01/2013 and thereafter. This includes all complaints that meet our reporting guidelines and that are filed electronically. We also report on the resolution of the complaint, as determined by BBB.
Customer Complaints Summary

42 complaints closed with BBB in last 3 years | 0 closed in last 12 months

Complaint Type

Total Closed Complaints

Advertising / Sales Issues 1
Billing / Collection Issues 16
Problems with Product / Service 25
Delivery Issues 0
Guarantee / Warranty Issues 0
Total Closed Complaints 42

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Complaint Breakdown by ResolutionAbout Complaint Details

Complaint Resolution Log (42)
BBB Closure Definitions

Complaint resolved with BBB assistance (7 complaints)

08/01/2012 Billing / Collection Issues

07/27/2012 Billing / Collection Issues

07/10/2012 Problems with Product / Service

06/25/2012 Billing / Collection Issues

02/28/2012 Problems with Product / Service
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The business failed to resolve the complaint issues (1 complaint)

04/01/2013 Billing / Collection Issues | Read Complaint Details

Additional Notes
Complaint Category: None of the Above - Credit, Billing or Collection Complaint Issue
Complaint: I did three hotel shop reports for this company back in May and June of 2012. Money owed is reimbursements and shop fees combined.
I did three jobs for this company back in May and June of 2012. Payment was promised to me in 60 to 90 days. After 60 days, I contacted the company with no response whatsoever. I emailed many different people including Bill Freeman himself. I received no response. I am left with no option, but to leave a complaint to the BBB.

I am owed 307.59 in reimbursements for 3 hotel stays that I went out of my way to complete. I am also owed 60 dollars in fees promised to me for completing these shop reports.

Business' Initial Response
LAW OFFICES OF JUDITH A. SWIFT, P.C.
10501 North Central Expressway, Suite 301
Dallas, Texas 75231
February 13, 2013
Better Business Bureau
1601 Elm Street, Suite 3838
Dallas, TX 75201
Telephone 214-696-6200
Facsimile 214-692-0660
email: info(iJ!judith_swift.CQJ)l
Re: Case # 91244187: Danielle Felts
I represent Freeman Group, Inc. and write now in response to the complaint Ms. Felts filed with
your office against the company. My Felts first contacted the company on February 7, 2013
requesting payment of a year old invoice in the amount of $347.59. After verifying that the
amount asserted in her letter matched the company's records, the letter was forwarded to me
for response. I sent Ms. Felts an email regarding her invoice on February 13, 2013. I note that
her complaint to the Better Business bureau was received February 10, 2013- three days before
she received my response. The concerns raised in her complaint to the BBB were addressed in
my letter. If you need anything further regarding this, please feel free to contact me.
Cordially,

Judith A. Swift
Cc: Freeman Group, Inc.

Consumer's Final Response
(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
I contacted the company numerous times prior to the aforementioned date. This just happens to be the only time that it was forwarded to Freeman Group's lawyer who is probably getting paid a nice amount of money herself. I'm not satisfied with her response because her response doesn't involve me receiving the payment owed to me.


BBB did not receive a response from business (34 complaints)


01/21/2013 Problems with Product / Service

01/11/2013 Problems with Product / Service

11/30/2012 Problems with Product / Service

11/26/2012 Problems with Product / Service

11/26/2012 Problems with Product / Service
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/14/2014 11:35AM by cindy55.

They tried to schedule me about two weeks before I made the post in this thread.

Thanks everyone! I will be contacting the BBB.