Unethical Shopper behaviour.
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Glad to hear it. The only thing we're selling is our integrity. Sadly, some shoppers don't seem to have any.
Time to build a bigger bridge.
There will always be shoppers who cheat the system.
There will always be Demo staff that will set the table and walk off the site.
For those crappy types of people, there is eventually justice
There will always be Demo staff that will set the table and walk off the site.
For those crappy types of people, there is eventually justice
We certainly hope so.
Mary Davis Nowell. Based close to Fort Worth. Shopping Interstate 20 east and west, Interstate 35 north and south.
My opinion is that these people cannot call themselves "shoppers". They have not done the work and are just cheaters trying to masquerade as shoppers. We see scams all the time with people masquerading as companies to sucker us , and this is the flip side. People masquerading as shoppers to scam the companies. I am glad they are being prosecuted.
LOL. Does everyone in this thread believe what is told them by someone? Try looking at the post from a different view.
The OP says the emails says: "We have already initiated legal action against two shoppers and intend to be unrelenting in pursuing a strong punishment for their wrong actions."
What this means (if true) is that the MSC believes that the shoppers committed "wrong actions" but it hasn't been proven yet.
"Preliminary investigation indicates that one of these shoppers acted out of greed and other was bribed by someone wishing harm to us and choose this way to try and spoil our reputation in front of our clients."
Preliminary investigation means it hasn't been established as a fact. One acted out of greed? That's an allegation. Another was bribed? In India bribery is part of the cultural fabric of business.
What you are left with is an MSC sending emails to its shoppers trying to scare them with the harsh punishments that await them if they committ "wrong actions."
Sheesh!
The OP says the emails says: "We have already initiated legal action against two shoppers and intend to be unrelenting in pursuing a strong punishment for their wrong actions."
What this means (if true) is that the MSC believes that the shoppers committed "wrong actions" but it hasn't been proven yet.
"Preliminary investigation indicates that one of these shoppers acted out of greed and other was bribed by someone wishing harm to us and choose this way to try and spoil our reputation in front of our clients."
Preliminary investigation means it hasn't been established as a fact. One acted out of greed? That's an allegation. Another was bribed? In India bribery is part of the cultural fabric of business.
What you are left with is an MSC sending emails to its shoppers trying to scare them with the harsh punishments that await them if they committ "wrong actions."
Sheesh!
@schristy33 wrote:
LOL. Does everyone in this thread believe what is told them by someone? Try looking at the post from a different view.
The OP says the emails says: "We have already initiated legal action against two shoppers and intend to be unrelenting in pursuing a strong punishment for their wrong actions."
What this means (if true) is that the MSC believes that the shoppers committed "wrong actions" but it hasn't been proven yet.
"Preliminary investigation indicates that one of these shoppers acted out of greed and other was bribed by someone wishing harm to us and choose this way to try and spoil our reputation in front of our clients."
Preliminary investigation means it hasn't been established as a fact. One acted out of greed? That's an allegation. Another was bribed? In India bribery is part of the cultural fabric of business.
What you are left with is an MSC sending emails to its shoppers trying to scare them with the harsh punishments that await them if they committ "wrong actions."
Sheesh!
...and you know this, how?
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cpburt, because the OP writes: "Hi, I am in receipt of an e-mail from one of the MScs I work for in New Delhi-India."
So the OP refers to an email, then quotes from it. So I know that the OP may be quoting from an email. I believe that the OP is, but I don't know it, because I can't read the email. So if this is true, then what follows is a threat made by an MSC--a threat made to all of its shoppers meant to warn them of the dangers of doing what two shoppers allegedly did.
The two shoppers who committed "wrong" are not identified by the MSC in the alledged email. So the purpos of the MSC is to scare the shoppers who perform shops for them, by saying "This could happen to you, too, if you do wrong."
So this proves only that we have an MSC in India trying to scare its shoppers.
Don't try that in the USA. No MSC is sending emails like this because USA shoppers wouldn't have any of it.
As for bribery in India being rampant, that is common knowledge. There is a Wikipedia page about this subject even: [en.wikipedia.org]
So the OP refers to an email, then quotes from it. So I know that the OP may be quoting from an email. I believe that the OP is, but I don't know it, because I can't read the email. So if this is true, then what follows is a threat made by an MSC--a threat made to all of its shoppers meant to warn them of the dangers of doing what two shoppers allegedly did.
The two shoppers who committed "wrong" are not identified by the MSC in the alledged email. So the purpos of the MSC is to scare the shoppers who perform shops for them, by saying "This could happen to you, too, if you do wrong."
So this proves only that we have an MSC in India trying to scare its shoppers.
Don't try that in the USA. No MSC is sending emails like this because USA shoppers wouldn't have any of it.
As for bribery in India being rampant, that is common knowledge. There is a Wikipedia page about this subject even: [en.wikipedia.org]
This issue has popped up before (other posters have pointed out instances of people not doing the work as well, and not in India). True or not for this particular instance, I am still glad if they are prosecuting people who are not really doing the work. I have to hold to the belief that the majority of us are doing the required work for the pay, and that there are consequences for lying about work you have not completed.
Oh ya, everything on Wikepedia is 100% fact.
@jroby1 wrote:
I am still glad if they are prosecuting people who are not really doing the work. I have to hold to the belief that the majority of us are doing the required work for the pay, and that there are consequences for lying about work you have not completed.
In the case mentioned in the email received by the OP, if we take the OP at his word, and if we then take the MSC at it's word, then the shoppers in question are not being prosecuted by a prosecutor, but instead the MSC has initiated a civil action against the shoppers, because the MSC is alleged to have said that all they have done so far is initiate a legal action against the shoppers. They are not being prosecuted at this time. They might be innocent.
Sheesh, don't be so quick to believe authority figures and don't believe that people are guilty of what is alledged until you sift the facts.
@Sybil2 wrote:
Oh ya, everything on Wikepedia is 100% fact.
Do you know what a straw man argument is? You just made one. Look it up and educate yourself about it. The claim wasn't made anywhere, except by you, that "everything on Wikipedia is 100% fact". Your claim was made so that you could make a flip comment, when all you are really doing is arguing with a straw man that you set up, and this in response to my linking to a source the documents corruption in India, which is relevant to the OP's post, because an MSC is dealing with alleged corruption and happens to be located alledgedly in India. If you require further proof of corruption in India, there is [www.huffingtonpost.com]
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2015 05:33PM by schristy33.
Oh ya, like I am going to click on random links from an unknown source. That is truth, not a flip statement. Next!
You have some problems holding a line of logical thought. Your flip statement was in response to your straw man argument where you wrote "Oh ya, everything on Wikepedia is 100% fact." So I referred to your flip statement. Then you replied as you did, and denied that you made a flip statement in your previous response to your straw man argument, and instead attribute "truth" to your second statement that you won't click on random links from an unknown source. Your claim that you won't click on links from a "random source" (and the source isn't mathematically random, as you claim) is an enitrely different truth claim than your fallacious straw man argument. It may be true that you don't click on random links. Whether you do or not is not germane to the OPs post. So why do you bother posting a straw man argument in this thread? To call attention to yourself? Who cares.
Next!
Next!
@schristy33 wrote:
Next!
Geesh! You can't even come back with an original thought. It is Toggle Time. Please toggle me also so we never have to deal with each other again. Thank you.
shopper8 nowhere did I insult this forum. Your statement makes no sense. It is an example of the straw man argument described above. You have contributed to derailing the OPs thread in this poorly moderated forum. Stop it now, shopper8, and Sybil2. Insulting the two of you is not insulting the forum as a whole. It is also debateable if calling out your straw man arguments is insulting.
Back on subject? Must a moderator be involved in the poorly moderated forum on every thread to eliminate these off-topic posts by Sybil2 and shopper8 and others like them?
Back on subject? Must a moderator be involved in the poorly moderated forum on every thread to eliminate these off-topic posts by Sybil2 and shopper8 and others like them?
@Sybil2 wrote:
@schristy33 wrote:
Next!
Geesh! You can't even come back with an original thought. It is Toggle Time. Please toggle me also so we never have to deal with each other again. Thank you.
Goodbye Sybil2, I was not aware that I must have an original thought as a comeback to your straw man argument, and will not miss you.
Schristy33
You did not insult me. I should have put the insult in quotes. "To call attention to yourself. Who cares." You insulted Sybil2. I consider that statement by you an insult. "Look it up and educate yourself about it". I also consider that statement an insult. I did not say the straw man argument was insulting. "Poorly moderated forum." Another insult to the forum.
You did not insult me. I should have put the insult in quotes. "To call attention to yourself. Who cares." You insulted Sybil2. I consider that statement by you an insult. "Look it up and educate yourself about it". I also consider that statement an insult. I did not say the straw man argument was insulting. "Poorly moderated forum." Another insult to the forum.
Thanks, shopper8. Personally, I was not insulted at all; look at the source. I do think it was rude to insult the forum owner and the moderators. Sounds like a troll under a new name who has been moderated in the past.
@shopper8 wrote:
Schristy33
"Poorly moderated forum." Another insult to the forum.
A statement of opinio is just that, and this forum is poorly moderated, in my opinion. If a statemnent of opinion of this nature can insult a forum is a question to put to the forum. It is not your perogative to speak for the entire forum of shoppers and decalare that calling this forum poorly moderated is an insult to the forum. This is the second time you have drifted from the OPs topic. Try starting your own thread to discuss your concerns. This isn't the place.
That was just my opinion! I was just Nut Picking.
Thanks for sharing the info Rakesh. It would be interesting to know the final outcome. Can you tell me if legal remedies would be limited to civil action or if fraud is proven could it result in some type of criminal prosecution?
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
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"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
Has the OP previously posted as a shopper or as a scheduler? Lots of questions from his statement. Sounds like scare tactics to me.
Click on his name and view all posts.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
@schristy33, have you read your ICA's and the instructions that come with every shop? Every MSC I've ever worked for has threatened me with everything short of execution by firing squad for committing fraud against them. why do you find it so unbelievable that an MSC in India might actually be following through on those threats and prosecuting someone?
Time to build a bigger bridge.
Because of the distance involved, the amount of money involved, the amount of money it will cost. But mostly because of the time that it will take. Just another nuisance case to tie up the courts with but TMHO. I think it's an idle threat.
Criminal prosecution in India??????---------doesn't that include "Stoning someone to death" or "setting them on fire"? Chances are they would never see a "jail cell"
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@sojo917 wrote:
Criminal prosecution in India??????---------doesn't that include "Stoning someone to death" or "setting them on fire"? Chances are they would never see a "jail cell"
I think you may be getting your countries mixed up. From what I've read the only form of capital punishment in India is hanging (unless you are military and then it can also include firing squad). Not really any different from the USA.
Stoning is legal in some countries but India is not one of them. This wikipedia article (and yes I know wiki is often flawed) lists countries where stoning is practised....
[en.wikipedia.org]
@Bloogers wrote:
Yeah they stone little girls to death in India.
[www.dailymail.co.uk]
Mod Note: Edited to remove religious slur from quote
Indians are mostly Hindus. From wikipedia: Hinduism is a major religion of India, with 80.5% of the population identifying themselves as Hindu.
Time to build a bigger bridge.
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