Definitely the same type attitude. You should see the Reddit conversations. He got them so riled up he got death threats.

I, btw, think anyone who makes threats of any kind is a total jerkface, and that includes making them against people I don't like who made threats against me. My point being his attitude got them that riled up.

@bgriffin wrote:

Definitely the same type attitude. You should see the Reddit conversations. He got them so riled up he got death threats.

I, btw, think anyone who makes threats of any kind is a total jerkface, and that includes making them against people I don't like who made threats against me. My point being his attitude got them that riled up.

Wow. No shame. You are literally going out of your way to make things up. Reddit is anti narcing, period. They are very very much anti anti-piracy measures. That's literally why I got death threats. It was the users from /r/funny who came over a week later. YOu can verify this by reviewing the mod (people who are in charge of that area on Reddit).

Those death threats came before a single word was spoken by me, to anyone. Those death threats, were the direct response to my actual job posting and nothing more. Do you know what brigading on reddit is? Because that's what happened there.

Anyone who takes the time to go and review the time line on the posts there would know that. I dont have to prove anything, anyone with 5 minutes of time can go to that thread, sort by time and figure it out for themselves.


Don't act offended and innocent. You're being dishonest to people.



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@ColoKate63 wrote:

I just find it ironic that the person who is throwing the most mud around on this forum thread can't understand a simple one page affidavit, doesn't know what a notary public is, hasn't successfully completed a single one of these assignments, but is of course a Self-Appointed Instant Expert on this work.

Also, just so you know. I never said I didn't know what a notary public is. I said I had never had to have anything notarized and did not know the process of having it done. That does not make me dumb. It makes me inexperienced in things. There are things that I am sure seem simple to me that are difficult for you, or other people. People have different backgrounds and experiences and insinuating that they are dumb because they are not the same is rude. I, btw, have an IQ north of 145. I am not dumb.

Also, just so you know, I have never said I was an expert on this work. I made one statement, that once you did a PPV audit in a place that you could never return because they would have figured out who you were. That is a statement that even you buddy has agreed with and yet lambasted me for "slandering his business" when I said it and demanded that I retract my statement etc. I have made no other statements on this work other than I did one, did not enjoy it, and would probably not do it again. You can insult me for that if you want. It certainly would not be the first time you insulted someone when it wasn't warranted.

This is absolutely absurd to think that I have to defend myself on my other online personas because a user here sees fit to go after all aspects of my personal life and business and post them elsewhere. You keep talking like you are this innocent bystander and I'm just being a "jerkface". Have you looked at what you've accomplished today?

You've mislead people about my jobs. You've mislead people about me. You've lied about why I received death threates. You've told potential shoppers untrue things (you're identity is blown once they are sued), to telling people my non compete clause means people can't be a shopper for another agency. None of which was true. I have to defend myself because apparently you're a regular here and some people might think it's smart to listen to you.

Now I have to explain the reddit bullshit as well. Thank you so very much for telling people I had death threats because of my attitude, when the death threats were sent because the job is to "narc on bars". I hadn't spoken to anyone in that thread beyond collecting emails and it was 9 days old when it was linked from the /r/funny subreddit on Reddit. That link is located here. That's right, i got death threats NINE DAYS AFTER I posted the thread. It had nothing, nothing to do with my attitude.


[www.reddit.com]

That link had a link that went to my original post which is here.

[www.reddit.com]

My original post said nothing but this is a job that could make up to $250, message for details with your name, city of interest, and contact information. That's it. That';s what I was posting that resulted in me getting death threats. You can verify this by viewing the time stamp of when it was, and by reading THIS below thread where the moderators of the /r/beermoney confirm that is what happened.

[www.reddit.com]

Now is it okay for me to ask that you stop trying to dig through my personal and professional life looking for @#$%& to gossip about? Ive had to sit here and disprove nearly everything you've said today and that's absolutely ridiculous. I wouldnt' care, but you aren't getting ANY of the information right and make it up as you go and that is what is incredibly frustrating. I can handle anyone being critical of real life things and me, but you aren'j doing that. You're literally, literally, making things up that aren't even true. I'm asking you nicely, stop. By all means call me whatever your heart desires, but please, with sugar on top...quit making statements that aren't true. T



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@jrossetti wrote:

You've mislead people about my jobs. You've mislead people about me. You've lied about why I received death threates. You've told potential shoppers untrue things (you're identity is blown once they are sued), to telling people my non compete clause means people can't be a shopper for another agency. None of which was true. I have to defend myself because apparently you're a regular here and some people might think it's smart to listen to you.

I have done none of that. Ok, actually you're right, perhaps, on the death threats thing. Someone sent me the links you posted, I skimmed and laughed for a bit, thought it was kind of rude of people to make death threats, and then went on. I'll admit to not reading the whole thing front to back. I have never said ANYTHING about your jobs. You have been screaming and yelling and been generally jerklike to me since you started posting and I STILL haven't said anything about your jobs. I have not mislead anyone about you. My statement was absolutely NOT untrue. Even you have said that people should not return to a place they've audited. What other reason would you have for saying that if it weren't because they place had probably figured out who it was? You keep yelling about that and yet you still won't answer this one simple question that I have asked you over and over. I never said your non compete clause meant you can't be a shopper for another agency. I ASKED if it meant that, which in other threads you screamed and yelled about people stating instead of ASKING. I ASKED and got yelled at. So yeah, more attitude.

@jrossetti wrote:

Now is it okay for me to ask that you stop trying to dig through my personal and professional life looking for @#$%& to gossip about? Ive had to sit here and disprove nearly everything you've said today and that's absolutely ridiculous. I wouldnt' care, but you aren't getting ANY of the information right and make it up as you go and that is what is incredibly frustrating. I can handle anyone being critical of real life things and me, but you aren'j doing that. You're literally, literally, making things up that aren't even true. I'm asking you nicely, stop. By all means call me an @#$%&, @#$%&, prick, dick or slut or any other names you want, but kindly, with sugar on top, stop the lies.

I did not dig through your personal and professional life. If you must know, I haven't dug through anything at all. The tidbits of information I have received about you were all sent to me by other people. I think we have a significantly different view of things. You think I keep saying things about your shops and business in a negative light and I have made NO comments about YOUR shops and have only asked a couple of questions about the nature of your business. And yet I'm an evil person. Meanwhile you go around insulting me and the forum in general and then say OMG I would never insult people. I have not "made anything up." And I have not told any lies about you.

There will be many issues with this fight and how is was "patroled." From the many unprofessional and braggart type posts along with the carpet bombing effect there will be a backlash keeping people from compliance in regard to piracy. Throw that class action lawsuit into the mix. That may be the light that needs to get shed on this debacle.

bgriffin- If you are interested in doing this type of assignment I will see from my contacts if you can go directly to a programming provider. If not I will find out the best MSP to go through. We already know it's not JRE or EDS. I am also willing to help you target and find leads that will get you a hit, that will be through pm. You owe me nothing! You will not have to sign a non-compete.

EDS- With all due respect, initially I had a strong confidence level in your approach to this assignment. As the layers of the onion were peeled away it became apparent you work with JRE, who has not proven IMO to be credible. Unfortunately that has tainted my view of your company. Collateral damage, just a part of the business nothing personal.

@Robroy wrote:

There will be many issues with this fight and how is was "patroled." From the many unprofessional and braggart type posts along with the carpet bombing effect there will be a backlash keeping people from compliance in regard to piracy. Throw that class action lawsuit into the mix. That may be the light that needs to get shed on this debacle.

bgriffin- If you are interested in doing this type of assignment I will see from my contacts if you can go directly to a programming provider. If not I will find out the best MSP to go through. We already know it's not JRE or EDS. I am also willing to help you target and find leads that will get you a hit, that will be through pm. You owe me nothing! You will not have to sign a non-compete.

EDS- With all due respect, initially I had a strong confidence level in your approach to this assignment. As the layers of the onion were peeled away it became apparent you work with JRE, who has not proven IMO to be credible. Unfortunately that has tainted my view of your company. Collateral damage, just a part of the business nothing personal.

I speak for my own company alone, but you never would have been allowed to do a job for me anyway. The second you told people on this forum what is or wasn't a successful hit and said I was committing fraud when that's not even remotely close to what is happening that was decided.

I want you to be fully aware that you are taking your feelings and anger towards me and pushing it on a third party contractor who did nothing more than accept a paid contract from someone you're mad at. You don't like how I act and what I have to say so you want to take it out on an innocent? Doesn't seem to make much sense, no matter how you try to justify it.



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@jrossetti wrote:

I'll be happy to be your guide =) Lead finding is where ive been super padding lol. There's a few ways to go about doing it. My niche is facebook.

send me an email or connect on facebook.

armzekk@yahoo.com (fbook only)
joe.n.rossetti@gmail.com for here.

You just outed yourself as a MS'er. That is a good way to make money.

@jrossetti wrote:

EDS, and not that THAT's your concern was contracted by myself to assist me and my clients and by robert taylor for his jobs. Her payment structure is none of your business.

EDS has been very upfront with who she is and who she is representing. jrossetti, maybe you should clarify your job title and who you represent in a signature line. It is good forum etiquette.

I'm not exactly outed. Nothing is compromised by my giving out my personal and professional emails. I have nothing to hide. I have about 2 dozen alternate identities and matching emails for shops. In order for this to matter, someone I was shopping would have been in this thread, followed it, and then randomly had me show up at their business for it and recognized me. I use those emails for all sorts of recruiting and have had them for the better part of a decade.

Now that this shop is completed is there a way for me to delete this thread since it has gone off topic?

@Sybil2 wrote:

@jrossetti wrote:

EDS, and not that THAT's your concern was contracted by myself to assist me and my clients and by robert taylor for his jobs. Her payment structure is none of your business.

EDS has been very upfront with who she is and who she is representing. jrossetti, maybe you should clarify your job title and who you represent in a signature line. It is good forum etiquette.

I dont really intend on being a regular poster after this crap dies down. I just like to lurk and learn. If I continue to do so and do so on any official capacity for my or another business I will do that though.

I have stopped reading this thread on page 4. But I have learned two things...

1) jrossetti needs to stop with the never-ending multiple quotes. The font gets smaller and smaller the longer the quote gets so most people don't even bother to read anymore.

2) I am sooooo glad that I don't work weekends so I will never have to deal with this type of "shop."

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@jackaroe wrote:

One of them sends you on a fishing expedition.
They send you a pocket remote and tell you to just randomly go into bars, restaurants and clubs and try and ask the bartender to change the channel to PPV or a sport cannels. If they refuse you use your secret remote and video tape/ take a pic the screen..

Reading about the secret remote is the hardest I've laughed concerning mystery shopping. That could potentially put you in a dangerous position with the bartender/owner. I could see a big fight breaking out in the bar not on PPV.

That was the part that turned me off.
You ask the bartender to put on the soccer game.
He says we are watching baseball.
All the sudden the TV switches to soccer.
Don't you think the bartender is going to get suspicious??
Where do you think the eyes will turn?

Would n't I be better off just using the secret remote without saying anything first??

The providing no leads at all is what really turned me off..

Please accept my sincerest apologies for the turn this discussion has taken. I own a scheduling and editing company, but I am first and foremost a shopper. And as a shopper, I value and respect what everyone had to share. I have heard you and will make the appropriate changes. Thank you.

@jackaroe wrote:

That was the part that turned me off.
You ask the bartender to put on the soccer game.
He says we are watching baseball.
All the sudden the TV switches to soccer.
Don't you think the bartender is going to get suspicious??
Where do you think the eyes will turn?

Would n't I be better off just using the secret remote without saying anything first??

The providing no leads at all is what really turned me off..

The lead finding is the most difficult part, however for a fight like manny 100% of the people I had that chose to wander around the bar district all found 1-2 places. (There were six people who did that)

On the other hand, I think it's a lot more productive overall to find places advertising ahead of time and going that route. Then you have a much higher success rate.

I didn't sign up for signals because of that reason too. If there was any company asking me to use a secret remote to screw people I would probably report them for being dishonest. It's one thing when someone is intentionally stealing, it's another thing when the company responsible for busting you is the one who turned your tv to something you didn't even have on to begin with.

@EDS - Edlund Data Services wrote:

Please accept my sincerest apologies for the turn this discussion has taken. I own a scheduling and editing company, but I am first and foremost a shopper. And as a shopper, I value and respect what everyone had to share. I have heard you and will make the appropriate changes. Thank you.

I don't think that anyone who is "mad" at you is going to be a big loss for you. Anyone with any sense can see that you just are the scheduler. Sort of as in, "Don't kill the messenger already!"

Scheduling is super stressful. Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt and quit!

I don't think EDS is responsible for the derailing of the discussion. And it appears the person who is has been moderated.

Thank you, guys. I am very grateful for your understanding.

Ha.

In some states (Washington, Oregon, California to name a few) you must be a licensed investigator to make the actual observation, not just working for one unless you are licensed.

@dcrector wrote:

In some states (Washington, Oregon, California to name a few) you must be a licensed investigator to make the actual observation, not just working for one unless you are licensed.

I'm pretty sure that requirement would be based on the client would it not? I know Taylor and associates has been doing these jobs for several years and does not use them, presumably because his client has no such requirement.

I hope you realize you're literally telling people that his company and any others like it including signals and other similar companies are breaking the law. That's a pretty serious accusation to level at another company.

Are you speaking on behalf of their clients or do you mind sharing why anyone should trust you over companies who have been doing this for years without any issues or problems. Considering the clients are law offices I feel they would be pretty up and up about what is or isn't allowed.

bgriffen
What is up with "She's only famous because she slept with my friends?"

kristicantrell, that's a signature line. I have one too. It shows up on every post. if you click the blue bar at the top of the page where it says Mystery Shop Forum and click on Control Center and then Edit Signature you can add a signature to your own posts if you want.

Some people put their credentials and where they shop (like I have), some will put a favorite quotation, some will put something amusing, some don't use a signature line at all.

@jrossetti,

I'm not sure what is going on in this thread, but I know from my own experience that this forum has a lot of members who want to be known as educated and intelligent when they are probably lucky to have GEDs and non-felony records.

I think the entire watching for illegal sports videos in bars sounds very feasible, and it would give me an excuse to actually go to a bar and drink a beer. Can we take a friend?

By the way, I live near Oregon, and now I'm concerned about licensing. I know of at least one company that is prohibited from recording phone shops in Oregon, but nothing about "actual observation" in Oregon.

Finding a notary is usually pretty simple, bgriffin, you just go to the check cashing place or a bank. Seriously...you can be amusing.

Melanie,
For more information about audio recording state laws, please see the resources at the New Mystery Shoppers topic (sticky) that covers this.
As for Oregon:
[www.rcfp.org]

@MelanieOR wrote:

@jrossetti,

I'm not sure what is going on in this thread, but I know from my own experience that this forum has a lot of members who want to be known as educated and intelligent when they are probably lucky to have GEDs and non-felony records.

I think the entire watching for illegal sports videos in bars sounds very feasible, and it would give me an excuse to actually go to a bar and drink a beer. Can we take a friend?

By the way, I live near Oregon, and now I'm concerned about licensing. I know of at least one company that is prohibited from recording phone shops in Oregon, but nothing about "actual observation" in Oregon.

Finding a notary is usually pretty simple, bgriffin, you just go to the check cashing place or a bank. Seriously...you can be amusing.

Don't need audio.

Yes, there are lots Of people here like that. Unfortunately they are like the religious fundies. A loud vocal small group. It's typical of all forums for the most part. My favorite is when people talk about jobs they refuse to do citing non existent or lottery odd chances even when all available evidence says it's not going to happen. More money for us.


I always tell people to bring a friend if they can. Better to be safe. I can possibly connect them with a second company doing the same thing and they may be able to do the job for them too.

@drector
@robroy

You do not, in aNY state, require a license to do a PPv assignment as these are. I wanted to source info rather than say you're posting without knowing and didn't have time before.


I would greatly appreciate you not giving false information to a public forum like this especially. Courtesy of about three people in the thread giving false information there was one person who bailed after accepting (and conducting) my job and two declined citing this thread and fears about doing something illegal or requiring a special license. I've taken the time to source everything so no one has to "trust me" and I won't be calling anyone any names. I assume it was unintentional but flippant remarks can have bigger consequences and saying sorry doesn't get that money back.

You guys are literally costing my business money because you're not being honest with what your posting.(unintentional or not). The first rule of this forum is to be honest. Can you guys please take the time to verify statements like this? You're not giving an opinion. You're passing this off as fact and it isn't. Nearly a two thousand dollar monetary loss because of you guys posting things that were false and I'm sure none of you will cover that loss for your mistakes. That's just for me, and only what I was able to confirm. I just need it to stop and I hope you all can see why and understand

Please consider this a request to amend your post to reflect the correct info or removal.


This pi licensing company clearly lists surveillance by places accessible to the general public as no license required. I've copied the appropriate section below the link as source info so others may verify what I am repeating.

[www.detectivetraining.com]


To engage in similar fields of private investigation: You do not need a license to do process serving, online research, installation of hidden videos, and other related activities. You will learn about these in your course. These businesses will allow you to perform many of the same functions as a licensed investigator, including conducting surveillance, serving legal papers, tracking missing persons for process service, installing hidden videos to protect children from abusive baby sitters, etc. These businesses will also give you the opportunity to network and provide your services to other licensed investigators, clients, attorneys, and the courts and begin building trust and forming new relationships.

You also specifically listed California as a state you MUST have a pi license to conduct these. You were completely wrong as per here. Californias privacy rights act specifically addresses this and says a licensed pi May contract out observations and surveillance to unlicensed individuals or businesses.

[www.privacyrights.org]

They specifically cite THIS EXACT SCENARIO as permissible as long as they are working for a pi and the licensed person is the only one turning evidence over to the client. Pretty much your entire statement was incorrect.

May a licensed investigator employ or contract with unlicensed persons to perform investigative tasks? The answer appears to be a qualified yes. Under the PIA, a licensee may be an individual, partnership, corporation, or other business.(52) If the licensee is a partnership, corporation, or other business, it must designate a licensed "manager," under whose "direction, control, charge, or management the business...is operated."(53) The individual or manager licensee is "legally responsible for the good conduct...of his or her employees or agents...,"(54) and only the licensee, manager, or other person authorized by them may submit a "written report...to a client."(55) Also, employees (though, apparently, not agents) of licensed investigators may provide the "incidental" personal protection.(56)

Thank you for this information, Joe.