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Well they were attendees, just not paid attendees.
@bgriffin wrote:
But these were not attendees.
No. They were not.
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I know, but what else would you call them? I am going to ask my friend John how this works with the hotels cause I don't understand much about it.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2018 03:52AM by Msaddict.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2018 03:52AM by Msaddict.
If the people stayed at the hotel under the IMSC "negotiated rate" then the IMSC would receive a list of all the people who were using the conference hotel rate. I assume that is how someone found out when they registered months earlier (though it probably was - booked a hotel room at the conference rate in time to get the negotiated rate, which usually expires about a month prior to the actual conference).
It was totally unprofessional (putting it mildly) for people to do this - for the shoppers to some degree, but the company reps? Really - that's ridiculous and I wish someone would name the company reps that did this.
I've been to one IMSC conference. I went for the sole reason of networking and had absolutely no intention of attending any sessions (and I did not attend any). I still paid the conference fee and would never have considered doing otherwise. It takes time and money to put on one of these events, to show up and take advantage of that is horrible. SMH.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2018 05:50AM by MickeyB.
It was totally unprofessional (putting it mildly) for people to do this - for the shoppers to some degree, but the company reps? Really - that's ridiculous and I wish someone would name the company reps that did this.
I've been to one IMSC conference. I went for the sole reason of networking and had absolutely no intention of attending any sessions (and I did not attend any). I still paid the conference fee and would never have considered doing otherwise. It takes time and money to put on one of these events, to show up and take advantage of that is horrible. SMH.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2018 05:50AM by MickeyB.
Frankly, one of these two has stated (early on) on an open FB page that the hotel reservation had been made. I am pretty sure they both stayed at the hotel. If they knew how conference rates work they would have been smart to grab the conference hotel rate. No one would have objected because the conference sponsors have to guarantee the hotel that at least "x" number of rooms will be take at that rate or else the sponsors have to ante up the difference. That's SOP for such arrangements, so I am supposing that it pertained for that conference. All the IMSC coordinator would have had to do was to periodically check with the hotel to see who had taken up the rate offer. No one had to ask, "Have A and B registered for those dates."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2018 11:48AM by walesmaven.
Based in MD, near DC
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2018 11:48AM by walesmaven.
"but the hotel showed they had made their reservations months in advance" sounds a lot like their was a discussion between someone and the hotel about their reservations. If they booked under the IMSC rate that's not a problem. If they did not then their personal information, including their hotel reservation, is between them and the hotel. The hotel disclosing that is a major privacy issue, and I think a right to privacy is more important than who was right or wrong.
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
They were, indeed on the list of those who booked early at the conference rate. In order to guarantee that the hotel is not fibbing about how many have reserved using the conference rate, planners get frequent updates on who has reserved. That way they can see which folks have paid for the conference but not reserved a room and encourage them not to miss the deadline to get the preferred rate. Do I know that they eventually stayed using that rate? No. But they booked early. And announced it on an open FB page, before all of the cloak and dagger stuff surfaced. I saw the post about being booked. Either way, there was no breach of privacy.
Edited for typos.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2018 10:29PM by walesmaven.
Edited for typos.
Based in MD, near DC
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2018 10:29PM by walesmaven.
... so they took advantage of the lower IMSC rate while booking into the conference hotel, networked with the mystery companies and shoppers attending, but chose not to pay?
That is absolutely bizarre. Dishonest. Unprofessional.
Why would they do that?
That is absolutely bizarre. Dishonest. Unprofessional.
Why would they do that?
Sorry, I am not a mind reader. But, since MSPA wants/attempts to command "its vendors" and "its trainers" and its member MSCs not to attend/pay for/support any IMSC conferences, I do wonder if the terms of their membership on that shopper relations committee (sorry, I do not have to precise name of it) include that they should/must not pay to attend an IMSC event. At least one of them posts here on the forum, but has not ventured any comments about this. In addition, both of the vendors who also "lingered" in the halls and the bar also post here but have not commented, nor did they, as far as I know, post on the forum that they would be available in Atlanta to sell equipment and reservations for their joint conference (Not ShopperFest, the other one.) , later this year. (And no, I do not know whether or not those two used the conference hotel rate. However, I strongly doubt that they would try.)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2018 10:42PM by walesmaven.
Based in MD, near DC
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2018 10:42PM by walesmaven.
There is an Evaluator Relations Committee as a part of the MSPA - but I cannot find on the MSPA website who is currently serving on it.
I must admit when the conference was in NOLA I toyed with the idea of going just to catch up with a couple of friends and NOT attending the conference. I compared prices using the conference rate along with the conference fee versus rates as a rewards member. While I would not have attended any seminars either way, I also would not have used the conference rate without paying the conference fee. Nor would I have hung out in the hallways. Instead you would have found me at a nearby pool, strolling the Quarter or having a meal at one of the restaurants
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I'm curious why all the talking in circles? There's a poster that does that who is the only one I have ever toggled. Why not just spit it out and say it? XXXX with XXXX was there hanging out in the hallway crashing the conference. I understand why for the shopper but the other 3 people are people within the industry so therefor are open to being discussed on an open forum.
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At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
Well, bgriffin, I know exactly who all four are, but I’m not putting their names out on the forum because I believe in mercy.
Maybe it was just a stupid decision, made in the heat of some strange emotional state. Although all four are well north of 50 years old, so that shouldn’t be the case.
They sure weren’t very merciful to the IMSC President, however, who was struggling with her husband’s difficult recovery from open-heart surgery... that was a very unkind and mean spirited stunt to pull on her.
TL;DR - I think that we are all trying to take a higher road.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/2018 01:29AM by ColoKate63.
Maybe it was just a stupid decision, made in the heat of some strange emotional state. Although all four are well north of 50 years old, so that shouldn’t be the case.
They sure weren’t very merciful to the IMSC President, however, who was struggling with her husband’s difficult recovery from open-heart surgery... that was a very unkind and mean spirited stunt to pull on her.
TL;DR - I think that we are all trying to take a higher road.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/2018 01:29AM by ColoKate63.
I know who 3 of the 4 are but I wasn't there* so for me it's just hearsay. I don't think it's mercy to not talk about them publicly. I think it allows people to get the full story and make an informed decision. It gives the people the chance to openly rebut or it gives the rest of us the chance to go to those who we may have a professional relationship with and say.....hey what's going on with that. Talking in circles and being hush hush while not being hush hush just smacks of gossip and attempting to stir up drama. And let's face it, the IMSC LOVES to stir up drama where the MSPA is concerned.
*ok so I was there but only for 2 hours and I didn't see the 2 people who this discussion is about that I know and the 4th person that I don't know who is but sounds a lot like someone who WAS IN THE CONFERENCE HEPLING OUT so I'm very confused.
I will add this though. I would much, much rather work with who I believe 1 of the vendors mentioned is than the person who replaced them within the IMSC.
*ok so I was there but only for 2 hours and I didn't see the 2 people who this discussion is about that I know and the 4th person that I don't know who is but sounds a lot like someone who WAS IN THE CONFERENCE HEPLING OUT so I'm very confused.
I will add this though. I would much, much rather work with who I believe 1 of the vendors mentioned is than the person who replaced them within the IMSC.
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
@ColoKate63 wrote:
TL;DR - I think that we are all trying to take a higher road.
I guess that's a matter of perspective and outlook. To me it's taking the lower one.
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
While I don't always agree with BG, there is a lot of dancing around. Seriously, if you feel the need to be so vague, why bring it up at all?
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
OMG Lisa agrees with me I think I might need to puke now.
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
Give me a call and we can discuss. My number is 1-800-BITEME
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
Whatever it is not I have your number!
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
Lots of people have my number.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
So long, and thanks for all the fish
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
I did not bring it up. I responded to the person who did so. And I have no idea who, in real life, that person is. Frankly, I expected the two from MSPA to step forward. I think the less of them for not doing so. But when they go low, I will not do so. It has nothing to do with mercy; it is a matter self-respect . BG, mock me but this has nothing to do with what others may think of me. As I would not do what they did, so I also will not call them out by name. I have no way of knowing what pressures may have been at play for them.
Based in MD, near DC
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
I don't know... I'm super-busy with my work, and to be honest I don't care much at all about people who have thousands of posts online and 1/10 of the work history to back it up. Blah, blah, blah... you are all boring me. I'd rather do... you know. Work.
Adios.
Edited to add:
*Helping, not HEPLING.
*of self-respect
Edited x6, because I tried to take it down several notches.
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Adios.
Edited to add:
*Helping, not HEPLING.
*of self-respect
Edited x6, because I tried to take it down several notches.
Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/2018 04:48AM by ColoKate63.
<< I check in at any hotel in Vegas and immediately ask to be on the "unregistered guest list." Keeping it on the down low.>>
I was not aware of such lists. After all, isn't it common practice for hotels NOT to give out information as regarding their guests?
I was not aware of such lists. After all, isn't it common practice for hotels NOT to give out information as regarding their guests?
I haven't seen the names posted any place yet or I would tell.
@walesmaven wrote:
BG, mock me but this has nothing to do with what others may think of me.
I don't know what all this means. I haven't mocked you and I have no clue what this part about what others think of you is all about.
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
@ColoKate63 wrote:
I don't know... I'm super-busy with my work, and to be honest I don't care much at all about people who have thousands of posts online and 1/10 of the work history to back it up. Blah, blah, blah... you are all boring me. I'd rather do... you know. Work.
Adios.
Edited to add:
*Helping, not HEPLING.
*of self-respect
Edited x6, because I tried to take it down several notches.
Oh yes. Take the high road.
:eyerollemoticon:
People who have nothing better to say are the ones that resort to trying to insult people.
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
At the moment only demons come to mind
When I get bored, I leave. When I have work to do, I go to work. For some reason I never feel the need to brag about the latter or act like an asshat about the former.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/2018 01:22PM by LisaSTL.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/2018 01:22PM by LisaSTL.
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