Enough already, goodness he apologized and fixed it. What more do you want him to do

Hey, I am just catching up on everything. Like I said, I have no dog in this fight. And as far as I can tell, the mods are who fixed it.

Hey, not attacking or anything remotely close. Just wanted to point out that MFJ is a guy, LOL.

@jrossetti wrote:

@MFJohnston wrote:

Hmmmm... Are there any video bar integrity shops in the Chicago area?

Yes maam, Chicago is my home base. Hit up at least Ace Mystery Shopping for video integrity bars in this area.

If you dont need video Nsite Inc does about 30-40 bars in chicago area.

@Msaddict wrote:

Enough already, goodness he apologized and fixed it. What more do you want him to do

Where? Please point this out to me.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

Well if you didn't know that there was a reason that people use some semblance of their names but not entirely their real names, or they use something completely different from what their real names are, you know now--and hey I have no dog in this fight, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that it's not cool to disclose info like that in the forum.

I didn't know people were that touchy about their first names, no, and I also immediately offered to take it down. Wasn't a big deal to me. I'm not into doxxing people maliciously.

This isn't a justification, just why it didn't occur to me.

I'm in a lot of other communities and in most of them we address each other by our first names and not our user ID's. Had I known people were that touchy here I would have made another decision.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

Hey, I am just catching up on everything. Like I said, I have no dog in this fight. And as far as I can tell, the mods are who fixed it.

The mods got to it bout 2 minutes before I did and about 3 minutes after posting. I had already made a post that I was going to fix it at the same time the mods were fixing it so it's not like the mods had to do it. I also had to go in and add the user ID back in because they only took it out and added nothing.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

Hey, not attacking or anything remotely close. Just wanted to point out that MFJ is a guy, LOL.

@jrossetti wrote:

@MFJohnston wrote:

Hmmmm... Are there any video bar integrity shops in the Chicago area?

Yes maam, Chicago is my home base. Hit up at least Ace Mystery Shopping for video integrity bars in this area.

If you dont need video Nsite Inc does about 30-40 bars in chicago area.

Ack, thank you. I keep reading this as my friend who shares most of the same name because it's so close to hers and thinking it's a she. Lol.



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@jrossetti wrote:

Had I known people were that touchy here I would have made another decision.

Don't you dare deflect by accusing members of being touchy. It's like an abuser saying, "I'm sorry you made me hit you."

You have been a member for five years and I do not give a rat's arse how many posts you have during that time. Everyone in the shopper community knows there have been two major shopper forums and this is the one that allows as much or as little anonymity as the poster desires.

@LisaSTL wrote:

@jrossetti wrote:

Had I known people were that touchy here I would have made another decision.

You have been a member for five years and I do not give a rat's arse how many posts you have during that time. Everyone in the shopper community knows there have been two major shopper forums and this is the one that allows as much or as little anonymity as the poster desires.

I didn't, so not everyone.

Please. We all know why he did it. He wanted to make sure I knew he knows who I am. It's an attempt at intimidation. I'm not easily intimidated.

You really can't even be bothered to truly apologize when you are in the wrong. I'm not buying you didn't know. You have been a shopper at least as long, if not longer than me and have had long term relationships with too many other shoppers. Some people will be fooled by the game you have been playing, but you are not as good at it as you think. It is just reflection and obfuscation portrayed as reasoned responses to give the casual observer the impression others are unreasonable.

@LisaSTL wrote:

You really can't even be bothered to truly apologize when you are in the wrong. I'm not buying you didn't know. You have been a shopper at least as long, if not longer than me and have had long term relationships with too many other shoppers. Some people will be fooled by the game you have been playing, but you are not as good at it as you think. It is just reflection and obfuscation portrayed as reasoned responses to give the casual observer the impression others are unreasonable.

Tell me, if you moved to a new city, but then traveled away 1750 of the next 1800 days, how well versed are you going to be at the city you moved to? That's how one can be a member of a community and not know the ins and outs. I have had an account on volition for longer than here and I dont know anything at all about that community. Why is that so hard to believe? Five years with an account, less than 30 days actually active. I have years of gaps without posts.

I understand that your life experiences may not match up with mine, but being a member of, and being an active member are two entirely different things. I'm sorry you think I am a liar about something so trivial. I can only assure you I would save lying for something a little more important than trying a lame attempt at repairing a relationship with someone I'm not interested in interacting with in the first place.

I attempted to make amends with you after getting yelled at for asking if your last name started with a certain letter of the alphabet, and I made the same overture to bgriffen. You have both proven yourself to be incapable of calm discourse when it comes to me and neither of you will accept anything I say, so I will no longer be responding or addressing either of you.

I wish you both the best and good luck in the future. Good luck, and godspeed.

Joe Rossetti

Your absence is no excuse when you violated one of the basic principles of this forum, not once but twice. The second time was after being told and moderated.

Once again you have a long post blaming us rather than simply saying, "I'm sorry." It is disappointing you are not capable of admitting fault or accepting responsibility.

I am finding it laughable you would accuse me on open forum of being incapable of calm discourse when the PM I sent you explaining the unwritten rules of anonymity was quite calm and reasonable.

Joe, take a vacation from the forum, please. Even hint that you would call someone out by name on this forum and I will be the first to take it to the forum owner. Had I not been on the road with no access most of yesterday, I would have reported that. As it was, I came late to that whole incident and saw only the broken glass on the floor.

I stand by my other posts on this and related threads, and would repeat them. But naming forum members is beyond the pale.
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I have literally not defended naming somebody at any time or any post so any suggestions otherwise are inaccurate.


I was wrong for that.

No need to take vacation. I have applied liberal use of my toggle button instead and have deleted pms without opening. It works in facebook so will work fine here.

Appreciate your feedback!

Joe

You know what you haven't done? Apologized for it. If I were a person who was considering using your company I would look at this thread and wonder what would happen if anything went wrong in a transaction with you.

You know, I really am quite tired of the trolls coming out every time I post. BUT, thanks to everyone involved, Our page hits at AVSP are through the roof. (hundreds a day works for us) I can't keep up with the emails, and the applications are rolling in....and you have put a dent in my giant stash of PV 500 EVOs.... SO THANK YOU!!!!!! To the people that suffered a breach of their confidential information, I truly am sorry that happened to you. I have done foolish things without thinking before, but you own it, apologize, and actually ask for forgiveness. Please join us at AVSP... IT'S FREE!!!!! For anyone wanting to break into video shopping that pays oh so well, we are a one stop shop. If you can make it to St Louis for Videocon, you will have the chance to walk in knowing nothing about video, and walking out with equipment you can count on, training you can depend on to actually teach you how to do the assignments, and you will have a pocket full of business cards of the very best video companies out there. There are a couple of folks on here that I really hope and pray can make it to Videocon. Even if you can't attend, if you are in the area, PLEASE drop by. I would love to buy you a drink, or a canned ham or something.

I doubt anyone on this forum appreciates being called a troll but if you are so tired of it stop posting and then you wont have to worry about it

And there you have it. An effort to stop posts you don't like or agree with. Webster defined: Troll:
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument. AND THE RULE IS... DO NOT FEED THE TROLL... so that's all we have to say about that....

@Greyhawk wrote:

you have put a dent in my giant stash of PV 500 EVOs.

Uh oh. Please let me know before you completely run out.

You mean like calling other people trolls in their own forum? That is a deliberately provocative message with serious intent

@Greyhawk wrote:

And there you have it. An effort to stop posts you don't like or agree with. Webster defined: Troll:
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument. AND THE RULE IS... DO NOT FEED THE TROLL... so that's all we have to say about that....

Hey bgriffen. I do have quite the stash. I will hold one for you if you want. If you get a chance to come to Videocon I will hand deliver it... AND we are going to be demonstrating a button camera attachment that does not have to use a button.... Awesome.....

He called Jacob a troll?!?!? Wow I missed that.

@Greyhawk wrote:

Hey bgriffen. I do have quite the stash. I will hold one for you if you want. If you get a chance to come to Videocon I will hand deliver it... AND we are going to be demonstrating a button camera attachment that does not have to use a button.... Awesome.....

I will email you later today. I actually would like to go to VideoCon but I'll be in the middle of another long route.

The craziest part of this whole thread to me is finding out that IMSC used fill-a-seat at their conferences. That is so interesting. There’s always so interest in the attendance, and now I know why.

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@SoCalMama wrote:

The craziest part of this whole thread to me is finding out that IMSC used fill-a-seat at their conferences. That is so interesting. There’s always so interest in the attendance, and now I know why.

Fill a seat has been being used at the Nevada conferences on behalf of the Nevada mystery shopping companies such as a closer look and others. This has been happening since they stopped attending the reno balloon festival. You can talk to one of their representatives to get more details.

A closer Look and similar pay for the tickets. Those tickets are given to fill as seat who then finds local people who are interested in mystery shopping. Those local people are getting in for "free" because nevada mystery shopping companies paid for their tickets.

What used to happen is they would try and find locals at the Reno balloon show and they were getting a lot of out of towners and that wasn't' filling the need that those companies wanted. Doing it this way only gives them locals, only gives them locals interested in mystery shopping, and is a better bang for their buck.

This can be confirmed independently by reaching out to the Nevada sponsors of the IMSC and asking one of their reps. No need to take anyones word here one way or another. This is similar to the way the IMSC does a no shopper left behind program that people can donate too. This progam pays for the tickets that are given to people for free who can't afford to attend otherwise.


(Edit: I might be over generalizing the process so I'd appreciate not being nitpicked over word choice or similar. This might not be "exactly" what is going on, but it's a good enough representation to get the point across. Those people aren't getting in for free. They are getting in without paying, because someone else is paying. Those someone elses are the companies in neveda who want shoppers)



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Joe,

The point is not that they were paid for or not. The point is that the Nevada Shoppers Group is a very small part of the IMSC. And the Fill A Seat people who were in attendance, who I spoke to, at least 75 of them, volunteered that they had zero interest in having anything to do with mystery shopping. Since I produce a conference, I understand the pressure to fill the audience and make it look like there are more shoppers in attendance than there actually are. This is not fair to the sponsors by having to sift through these people to find the shoppers and focus on them. It's not fair to the shoppers by having the sponsor's attention monopolized by the Fill A Seaters. The people who were from Fill A Seat were going from sponsor table to sponsor table collecting pens and candy with no interest in becoming shoppers. This is a scam and if it has been going on for years, it seems to be a fraudulent presentation of the value of the conference. I would rather have an empty room than committing fraud and misleading the sponsors with bogus attendees. I have spoken to several sponsors who were astonished to find out that this occurred. The IMSC President only addressed this when confronted by people who had figured out that the had been hoodwinked.
Your continued efforts to defend this practice only serve to make you guilty by association. Let this drop. You are dragging this entire forum into the mud and there is better use of our time. Stop posting before you do irreparable damage to the industry that most of us love.

Jeffrey Crozier
CEO - Video Shopping Pros

@SoCalMama wrote:

The craziest part of this whole thread to me is finding out that IMSC used fill-a-seat at their conferences. That is so interesting. There’s always so interest in the attendance, and now I know why.

I would be really interested in finding out what percentage are actual shoppers and what percentage are not. One of the conferences I went to in Vegas I ended up sitting next to a fairly young lady, early 20s, and she started asking me about doing it full time, etc. I asked how long she had been shopping and she said she had never done a shop before. I was perplexed as to why she would spend money on a conference when she hadn't even shopped before and she got very evasive. Eventually I learned that she didn't pay but she didn't really want to talk about. I thought it very odd at the time but it wasn't something I was so curious about that I brought it up again. Had I been aware of Fill-a-seat before I might have put it together but this thread is the first time I've heard about them.

@jeff406 wrote:

Joe,

. This is not fair to the sponsors by having to sift through these people to find the shoppers and focus on them. It's not fair to the shoppers by having the sponsor's attention monopolized by the Fill A Seaters. The people who were from Fill A Seat were going from sponsor table to sponsor table collecting pens and candy with no interest in becoming shoppers. This is a scam and if it has been going on for years, it seems to be a fraudulent presentation of the value of the conference. I would rather have an empty room than committing fraud and misleading the sponsors with bogus attendees. I have spoken to several sponsors who were astonished to find out that this occurred. The IMSC President only addressed this when confronted by people who had figured out that the had been hoodwinked.

Your continued efforts to defend this practice only serve to make you guilty by association. Let this drop. You are dragging this entire forum into the mud and there is better use of our time. Stop posting before you do irreparable damage to the industry that most of us love.

Jeffrey Crozier
CEO - Video Shopping Pros

Describing the process is hardly a defense of anything. I have no real opinion on this as I dont believe I have enough information. Just wanna clear that up first. I'm not nearly as comfortable as many other people at making assumptions and drawing conclusions without having complete information.

I'm not really convinced all of those local people wasted 5 or 6 hours of their day to trudge down to the strip for some free candy. It would be cheaper for them to go buy a bag from basically anywhere than do that. Most locals avoid the strip like the plague. It would be pretty illogical and a time sink considering how much locals try to avoid going to the strip in the first place. Im pretty sure there was a stronger motivation than candy, but sure, your idea is also theoretically possible if we dismiss any logic and reasoning from the equation. Not everyone acts in a consistent manner so it's definitely possible.

It does like your generalizing "them" into one large group though. Typically that kind of thing is never accurate.

At the end of the day, if none of those people were ever signing up for shops and citing the IMSC conference, then the same sponsors would stop paying due to no benefit. I find it hard to believe that for years nevada companies are paying for tickets for these people and then having it never convert into actual shoppers and that's what your suggestion requires if true. The IMSC can't exactly lie to company owners about who ends up signing up with them since they have direct access to that information and she doesn't. Money talks. People/companies dont pay for things that arent beneficial so clearly the nevada companies are getting benefit.


Fair point on the non nevada companies though. Seems like it's pretty easily fixable too.


It sounds like the problem is less with the practice of using a local provider to find local shoppers, and more with the transparency for the non-Nevada companies. I'm pretty sure she gave totals for how many seats were locals (at least at this years) and how many were non-local seats. I'm not sure how it was for prior years, but she definitely had them all raise their hand so people could see them.

If so though, then everyone has the information they need to make a decision. If not, sounds like a great recommendation to make since the vast majority of companies get no benefit from nevada shoppers. That would allow sponsors to know what their dollars get for outside of nevada.

How big of a deal is this really? It's not like there is any guarantee that any shopper there is going to be in a state or area that said sponsor has shops in the first place and there never has. There are sponsors who only have clients in some sections of the country and some that have them in nearly all. Should she be providing a state by state breakdown so each sponsor can see if the registrants has shoppers in their area before deciding to pay? I dont have an opinion on this either way, just curious what your thoughts are.

Have you ever had success telling someone to stop posting before? That's not very nice. Shutting down discourse is only best when it can't be civil, imo.

Joe



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