@1cent wrote:
What throws me is this: Companies that send a check dated 12/30/19 that I receive and cash a week later.
On a cash basis, when do I count this income?
@ceasesmith wrote:
"Tax planning is tougher with the "cash" choice. It is possible for you to receive a mailbox full of checks on 12/30 and 12/31 that could send you scrambling to make business purchases to reduce your bottom line profit (and therefore tax liability as well as self-employment tax obligations)."
Seriously?
Just cash 'em January 2.
@1cent wrote:
What throws me is this: Companies that send a check dated 12/30/19 that I receive and cash a week later.
On a cash basis, when do I count this income?
@ceasesmith wrote:
"Tax planning is tougher with the "cash" choice. It is possible for you to receive a mailbox full of checks on 12/30 and 12/31 that could send you scrambling to make business purchases to reduce your bottom line profit (and therefore tax liability as well as self-employment tax obligations)."
Seriously?
Just cash 'em January 2.
@BirdyC wrote:
@ceasesmith wrote:
"Tax planning is tougher with the "cash" choice. It is possible for you to receive a mailbox full of checks on 12/30 and 12/31 that could send you scrambling to make business purchases to reduce your bottom line profit (and therefore tax liability as well as self-employment tax obligations)."
Seriously?
Just cash 'em January 2.
Cease is right. I should have said in my earlier response about checks, "when you have the cash in your hands or bank account." If you get a check on 12/30, you can hang on to it and cash it after the first of the year.
If you're keeping a close eye on your income/profits all year long and you know what your outstanding receivables are and that you probably will get them prior to the year end, you can make purchases before year's end to offset profits. So, do it ahead of time, not wait until you get the money.
It is possible to change methods with good reason. But it's a lot of paperwork with the IRS. It's not a do it yourself type deal, and it is not a given. They have to agree to it, and you'll probably end up adjusting / amending things over a period of time on both sides of the transition so they are confident they've gotten what they are due.. Chose wisely then plan to stay with your chosen method indefinitely. But if you get it wrong you can switch at a cost of increased scrutiny, costs, and effort. Don't plan on switching back and forth.@ceasesmith wrote:
Grille, not quite. You can choose to do it either way -- but once you choose a method (accrual or actual), you MUST use it always and forever (as long as you're reporting business income, at least).
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@JustForFun wrote:
Accrual is much more flexible and is the standard used for any business of size. But that flexibility comes with a price paid in complexity. Accrual recognizes the things you bought but have not yet sold and the expenses you have agreed to take on but for which you have not yet written a check, Accrual has distinct advantages whenever there is inventory involved, as for most businesses that operate a storefront or stock things for resale Businesses that resell product but do so only when an order is received and therefore never own inventory that carries into another accounting period may still do OK on cash basis.. As mystery shoppers we are basically service based businesses that can use either method depending on needs or preferences.
@JustForFun wrote:
It's whether you had or could have had constructive use. A check received at ten minutes to midnight on 12/31 is income under cash basis.
@ceasesmith wrote:
If I got a check (or 100 checks) in the mail on 12/31, I would deposit/cash them on January 2.
Unless, of course, it was an amount that would actually impact my taxes owed. Like maybe $10,000-$2,000,000. And I guarantee you my bank will put a hold on a check that size, so I won't have "constructive possession" of it anyway.
If I get a bunch of checks for $30 or $45 each, nope, ain't gonna sweat it, folks. IRS will get their money, it'll just be next tax year that I report it in.
@BirdyC wrote:
@JustForFun wrote:
Accrual is much more flexible and is the standard used for any business of size. But that flexibility comes with a price paid in complexity. Accrual recognizes the things you bought but have not yet sold and the expenses you have agreed to take on but for which you have not yet written a check, Accrual has distinct advantages whenever there is inventory involved, as for most businesses that operate a storefront or stock things for resale Businesses that resell product but do so only when an order is received and therefore never own inventory that carries into another accounting period may still do OK on cash basis.. As mystery shoppers we are basically service based businesses that can use either method depending on needs or preferences.
I gather that for large businesses accrual is the standard method. But I have a business for which I carry inventory in stock. I still use cash basis. Simpler for me, and the numbers involved are paltry in the grand scheme of things.
@ceasesmith wrote:
EXACTLY! Wow, I'm shocked -- a hold on anything over $200? I bank at WF, and I think the fact they put a hold on checks stinks. Last year's tax refund, direct deposit, they put a 10 day hold on! REALLY? Direct deposit from the U S Treasury, and they put a `10 day hold? I do NOT appreciate being treated like a CRIMINAL!!!
@BirdyC wrote:
I know, right? I have accounts at WF, too, and they hold anything over $300, whereas my credit union's hold amount is anything over $200. I went to deposit a check from Fidelity Investments, and they actually put a hold on it! C'mon; Fidelity can buy and sell my credit union 10 times over, or more. And they're holding it? It was a 401k withdrawal that my husband made. I couldn't believe they put a hold on it!