I would greatly appreciate you not making things up about myself or my company when you are not in the know. You asked for me to correct you or you would assume you are correct. This is me correcting you. In the future, I would kindly request that you
do not make assumptions or "guess" when it comes to a persons or companies reputation. You are very welcome to ask questions, but it crosses a line to make things up like you did in that post. I dont care about not posting your name on the forum, but I want you to recall the big stink you created attacking me then over that and my response here which is a simple post asking you to not make things up about me. Even though, objectively, libel is equal or worse than posting a name. I recall giving an apology and still getting dumped on over that. That's why I said it was quite bizarre for you to be wholly comfortable making things up about me. It wasn't okay for me to use your given name but it's totes okay for you to make things up about me and my company publicly? Hardly seems consistent, one might even say hypocritical.

I'm going to make the same offer to you I made a few years ago when that went down which was declined then. How about we both be be respectful?

That said, here's the actual details instead of something made up and wrong.



Robert Taylor worked for a specific client. I dont know who his client was. I did work for Robert Taylor. I helped find shoppers for Robert Taylor.He paid $250 for an affidavit/pics/video. 25 for a new referral. 50 for a lead. He also bonused me if I found 20 new shoppers for him in a calendar year.

This is where your misunderstanding comes into play, and why people should really not talk about things they do not know anything about.

In addition to my work for Robert Taylor, I then started a company to do the same type of work for a different client. I worked for them directly doing the same kind of work. Now no shopper could do a job for me at the same time as Robert Taylor because the end client would not allow that, but they would allow ANY number of different companies and individual people turn in work. It did not matter if one company or 30 companies busted a business doing the piracy assignments, every single one of them could get paid out by the client.



Now when I paid people, I paid people the same $250 for the assignment. But I paid $50 for new shopper who successfully did a job(25 dollars more than the industry rate that Robert was paying), and $75 for a lead that was provided to me(which was 25 dollars more than the industry rate at the time). This meant I was paying people more money than they were getting from Robert, IF they found me a new lead or provided me with a new shopper and I was paying them the same amount for the assignment itself.

Robert and I often shared leads, and shared shoppers, and due to an agreement I had, scheduled his first. If someone brought a lead to me that neither Robert nor I had found, they would get the full lead payment from both companies assuming we were both able to find our own person to cover the assignment.

This is why virtually all of my blasts were looking for shopper pairs because then one person could work for Robert, and one person could work for me. Robert had his own client to turn things in, and I had my own. It's entirely possible we were working for the same client. I legitimately do not know. This also had the added benefit of building a nice bench of shoppers across the country who could do work which in this line of work was invaluable.



Robert could pay people up front the day he got their information. I could not pay people for 45 to 60 days. Due to that, he would obviously get more people working for him if they were able because duh, everyone would prefer being paid faster.. This is why I was really big on getting people who did work for them to bring a friend to work for me.




In this regard I was the MSP hiring my own contractors to work for me. I would then submit their work to my client, who would pay me, and I would pay my shoppers. This is an identical process as every MSP and for what Robert was doing. If I did an assignment for Robert, I could not do it myself for my company. I would need to find someone else. However, I always had a shopper partner to travel with so they would work for Robert, and I would work for myself in those events. I confirmed that doing this was acceptable by my client, and I suspect they may have been the same client Robert was working for but due to NDA I have no way of ever confirming it.

Simply put, there was no reason to skim from Roberts jobs because I had my own to schedule, and I got paid more from my client than I did from Robert. It was very much in my financial interest to find shopper pairs to max out how much money I could make.

Now without having the information that I had my own company that was doing their own assignments, I can understand why you thought you were right and I was finding people to do work for Robert and paying them less than he was offering (skimming as you say), but assumptions like that are also how inaccurate rumors get started and how companies like mine can have their reputation damaged online. This is why I again, humbly request, that you refrain from discussing me and my company outside of your own personal experiences with my company and kindly make sure what youre saying is accurate.

I'm throwing my digital hand out there again to shake with a gentlepersons agreement to be cordial. Im not going to react in kind and make things up about you or trash talk you, but I am really asking nicely. Id love for you to accept my offer.

This should have been PM to Bgriffen, not here on the forum. First of all as a forum member for years, I have no clue what you are talking about.

Shopper, given the gravity of the accusations that are cited above, and the fact that this forum is monitored by tons of MSCs, I think that jrosetti's public response is fine just where it is. His various business ventures have made him a preferred provider in a number of areas, so his public rebuttal of erroneous statements is entirely in line with those permitted by other MSC owners/managers on the forum, as far as I can see.

@shopper8 wrote:

This should have been PM to Bgriffen, not here on the forum. First of all as a forum member for years, I have no clue what you are talking about.

*My tone is neutral and respectful*


I would almost always agree with you. However in this particular case due to the circumstances, I do not. Private accusations require a private response. This was not done privately.

Libelous claims against myself and my company require that I defend myself publicly so my side can be shared.

I have made repeated attempts to diffuse the situation with Bgriffen and they continue to bully, lie, and slander myself and my company even after years of no contact. A public response was absolutely warranted in this situation. This forum is where it has occurred and where I am able to reach the same people who may have read it and been swayed by a long time member of the forum making claims against another person and company.

@walesmaven wrote:

Shopper, given the gravity of the accusations that are cited above, and the fact that this forum is monitored by tons of MSCs, I think that jrosetti's public response is fine just where it is. His various business ventures have made him a preferred provider in a number of areas, so his public rebuttal of erroneous statements is entirely in line with those permitted by other MSC owners/managers on the forum, as far as I can see.

Its not just serious, it's flat out illegal. Libelous statements like this creates a general distrust of me and my company. It's even worse when it's done by an established member of a community as they often have the respect and trust of other members. This has tangible and provable repercussions that create a negative impact on myself and my business. Ive made several attempts to deal with this one on one and have been denied.

If you order something from me and you get it late? Sure, put me on blast. I'll own it. You hate my jobs? You think they are no good, dangerous, not worth it? Go ahead and voice your opinion. Youre welcome to it.

Libelous claims on a public forum on the other hand are a much more serious situation. I'm being incredibly patient, polite, and respectful by trying to resolve it on the forum rather than through legal venues that I am most certainly entitled to do considering the circumstances and being able to demonstrate this behavior over several years.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2020 11:23PM by jrossetti.

Ok let's do this.

Here is a quote from you. Directly. You said it. These are YOUR words:

@jrossetti wrote:

Oooh! Referral fees mostly.

There is nothing preventing you from sharing leads you find with multiple agencies or people.

I can find a lead and give it to as many agencies as I want and collect a referral fee.
I could refer a new shopper and get one.
I can recruit a shopper to do a job, but offer them less than the $250 and pocket the rest. One company I do stuff for doesn't care if he gets the other persons affidavit from me or from them. He'll pay whoever turns it in.

Just to make it exactly clear here is the important part again

@jrossetti wrote:

I can recruit a shopper to do a job, but offer them less than the $250 and pocket the rest. One company I do stuff for doesn't care if he gets the other persons affidavit from me or from them. He'll pay whoever turns it in.

This post occurred on this page about halfway down, just in case he decides to edit it later:
[www.mysteryshopforum.com]

I have not made any libelous claims. I have only interpreted words that you have said in the only way possible. On top of that I specifically stated that I did not have any other information about your business and that if I was incorrect to correct me. You have done that, but in one of these two statements you are lying. I don't give a rat's ass which one. I don't give a rat's ass how you do business. What I do care about is you accusing me of making libelous statements when I absolutely have not done such.

@walesmaven wrote:

Shopper, given the gravity of the accusations that are cited above, and the fact that this forum is monitored by tons of MSCs, I think that jrosetti's public response is fine just where it is. His various business ventures have made him a preferred provider in a number of areas, so his public rebuttal of erroneous statements is entirely in line with those permitted by other MSC owners/managers on the forum, as far as I can see.

Oh please. I'm going to refrain from commenting further but I used to have such a large amount of respect for you. It's kind of sad that I no longer do.

Wow. Just wow.

What? You're shocked that I was right?

No, just shocked. You may think that you are amusing, but I do not see anyone smiling or hear any applause. It is a long time since you have shown respect for any forum member, let alone me.

Well, that's rude.

@bgriffin wrote:

Oh please. I'm going to refrain from commenting further but I used to have such a large amount of respect for you. It's kind of sad that I no longer do.

At least I don't say one thing I private and another in public. We can talk about that if you want.

Wow. Just WOW.

I am so sorry to see several posters for whom I have the greatest respect involved here.

I don't think this thread should be closed, I think it should be erased.

Oh my gosh. Oh, my gosh.

This just makes me sad.

Isn't that a bit like burying your head in the sand?

So, I'm not just a dinosaur, I'm an OSTRICH dinosaur!

I have no skin in this game. I'm NOT choosing sides.

BG, the quote that you supply says "can" and "could". Do you see no difference between those and "do"??? I can or could train a whole bunch of folks to become valet parking attendants and get away with cheating the managers out of a ton of many. Does that mean that I do, or even would do that??? You have a serious flaw in allegations that someone "did" what they claimed to be ABLE to do.

Now, I think I have clarified my objection and I will leave this thread for good. Any PM on this subject, I will feel free to post, however.

I still don't understand what is going on. I guess the best for me to do is to leave this thread. I have no comments for anyone, I am not sticking my head in the sand.

Edited because I'm not gonna take myself to their level.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2020 05:48PM by bgriffin.

I read it before you edited it.

@shopper8 wrote:

I still don't understand what is going on. I guess the best for me to do is to leave this thread. I have no comments for anyone, I am not sticking my head in the sand.

Nothing really. Someone came on the forum the other day asking where the video piracy jobs went. I recommend she talk to rosetti since I knew they were friends and I knew he was involved in the industry. They took offense to my calling his involvement "skimming off the top", which I got specifically from the post I linked and quoted above. That thread devolved into a mess, which I had nothing to do with, and got closed. Instead of just dropping it rosetti started a new thread to accuse me of making libelous statements. For some unknown reason Wales decided to interject herself into a discussion that she had nothing to do with and agree that I was making libelous claims. I simply responded with the quote straight from the horse's mouth so to speak and here we are. From molehill to mountain.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

I read it before you edited it.

Well I guess that means you know more of the story that most....

The irony of the situation is that @jrossetti is choosing to focus on some perceived threat from an internet forum poster that he just simply doesn't like, and doesn't like him, when other people really have made libelous statements about him that are significantly worse!

@shopper8 wrote:

This should have been PM to Bgriffen, not here on the forum. First of all as a forum member for years, I have no clue what you are talking about.

Since the first comment was posted on the forum, in another thread that many people read, I believe it is important that the discussion continues in public instead of being in private. There is nothing worse than having people know "harmful" facts but never disclosed to others. After all we are independent contractors and it is important to keep up so we wont be stuck with rubber checks.

As an example, in a similar thread, light years ago, in a different forum, late at night someone started mentioning about the owner of a still well known MS who had spent years in federal penitentiary for financial fraud and even used his daughter's information and impersonated her. I decided to curtail my involvement with them and now do minimal work. Later I also found out that there were also companies that had stopped working with them. From that thread I also realized that there were different cliques of shoppers (this is not addressed to anyone specific in this forum, nor do I want to get in a discussion about it) that had extensive information about what was going on behind the scenes with the various MS but were not willing to share the information.

I am not playing these games. I want to protect myself and try to minimize any catastrophic financial loss if an MS goes under. (ie., drive in light snow for alleged $50 bonus for the Disney store, at least I returned the item; NSS $60 in expenses during the circus visit plus the $120 fee+bonus; $10 reimbursement +fee-rubber check (was this Checkmark? can not remember their names now), Pavement coffee $25 expenses and $$90 fees). Thankfully, by reading here I avoided some major losses.

Bgriffin is a pretty top notch guy in my book. I have never met him, but I have PMed with him and read his posts over the years and I think I have a pretty good idea about his character. He has integrity and I believe he is a good person and doesn't mean any harm to anyone. He has always been a far nicer person than I have and shows great restraint and kindness to others at times where I would not. I do respect him, and I do respect Wales. I read what he posted above before he edited, and so I have a little more insight about why he said what he said. Basically she had said some stuff to Bgriffin about jrosetti that was less than flattering. It's possible that later she changed her mind and her opinion about jrosetti, at least it seems so. I would be a complete hypocrite if I said that I had never done the same thing, said some stuff about someone that I later regretted. I don't know if I would be able to come to someone's defense publicly if I had said unpleasant things about them in the past. I don't know, I just don't know, because I am not walesmaven and I am not bgriffin. And I don't know jrosetti at all, although I remember once when someone posted about being scammed with one of those fake checks we all told the person who got scammed that MS companies don't pay in advance, and he chimed in that he had gotten paid in advance before by a MS company. That's just confusing to a person not familiar with the MS world and not knowing that jrosetti had a longstanding working relationship with a MS company that gave him an advance. I was irritated about that. But that's not the issue at hand here. Anyway, I just wanted to put my two cents in about what's going on. I like both walesmaven and bgriffin very much and hope that there is some sort of peacemaking resolution.

I dont care what the reason is , I think its bad to call out forum members by name in a thread title. jrosetti it makes you look bad. You both agree on what you said and its bgriffins opinion that it looks like skimming. Whatever. I wish this thread would get moved to the META section. About 3 people paid attention to the first thread and you have now enshrined in google search results forever this mess. Congratulations.