$4k+ Route and living in a van for part of the trip. PIcs and spreadsheets to view too.

Okay, so I (or my gf and I) do some pretty large mystery shopping routes. We've always tried to hedge our risk by utilizing a rental car and hotels. We budget about 150 a day of our shopping income for this. We got into a few groups where people live in their vans full time and we were thinking, why not try and do something similar with mystery shopping. What if we took that 150, and threw it at a vehicle and modified it so we could use it for sleeping, office, cooking, and obviously, camping/boondocking.

On that note, we did some looking and decided to get a 2006 Toyota Sienna. Here's a post I made shortly after we bought and started getting "stuff". I added a couple of update videos we've made since we started.

The maiden voyage of "Vanderbilt" (aka the Sienna Suite) begins tomorrow! Here are some pictures.

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So far we have probably spent about a thousand for various qualify of life items. Most of which you could do for a fraction of what we spent by doing things out of cardboard and plastic or similar. Even so though, we would normally budget about 2200 for car rental and hotels on a trip this size so that's well under everything we spent for modifications as well as a few months worth of car payments (200 a month). Definitely a good trade off.

So things we bought straight out were shields for every window except the moonroof. This will let us face the black side out in colder periods and the silver side out for hotter periods. They also fit near perfectly in our window wells so it does not let light come in. We're going to use weather stripping or electrical tape to take care of the small gaps along some of the edges. One of the more common issues with sleeping in a small space is condensation. That can also, over time, allow mold or other issues from being damp.

For this we picked up rain guards from weather tech that are set up on the first and second row of side windows. This lets us open them nearly two inches and not worry about stuff. We also picked up a windshield for the moonroof so we can open that at night most of the way without worrying about animals dropping in. We wanted to make sure we considered living in the vehicle in inclement weather so for the driver and passenger seats we picked up a set of these. Just for the front driver and passenger.

Depending on our final build for this, we may or may not get one for the 2nd row of seats at some point.

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We also picked up some cup "coasters" so any dirt or condensation, or random spills will be easier to clean out as we can pull the coaster and any liquid out and clean that rather than having soda or something in the actual cup holder.

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We picked up that cooler for shopping trips in general, but obviously it'll work for camping, get togethers, or whatever. The main reason for this one was it was large, lighter than the competitors, and appears to perform as good if not better than brands like Yeti which are twice to three times as pricey for the same space. In addition the large flat top surface can double as a lapdesk surface (so we can use it more like a table) and watch movies or use it as a work station. We can also use it as a chair or cup table. We will also have 2x additional coolers on this trip. We weren't entirely sure about the last one, but since we're bringing 72 cans of soda to start we figured we may as well not have loose cans running around. We got a bunch of these guys.

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We premade about two weeks of food and did dishes we could freeze and reheat like fancy microwave meals. So we did dishes like this. All in with six cases of soda was about 210 dollars. We figure between that and the random mystery shop we can get for food that we can go about 2.5 to 3 weeks without having to spend any additional out of pocket funds for this trip.

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Here is the estimated trip for the month with some but not all of our expenses and jobs. We'll update it daily as we go along. We have a commitment to do most of these jobs, but not all. We work or arrangements at the beginning of some weeks to get a bunch of jobs in an area added onto our job board, and we will try to do as many as possible and if we can't get a location just move onto the next one right away. Then once we have done we can all get done in between our shops we commit and have to get done, we let the scheduler know and drop off the rest. Sometimes companies are willing to do that, sometimes they aren't. It's a win/win when it works out. Here's our tentative route. I expect to drop off several hundred worth of work but we still wrote it up as trying to hit everything.

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So back to the food we made. We froze it as it now acts as a cooling device for our food. We can nuke it at any truck stop or most gas stations. At the start of the trip, and each day, we will move 4x meals to the day cooler. Two on the bottom that are the most frozen still, then about 5 cans of soda each(warm if we have it as it will help unfreeze the days food), and then the two meals we are eating fore lunch that day on top. When we have lunch, we'll move them up. This helps them melt a bit so they can be reheated faster. The igloo is completely filled with all frozen ones and our lunch meats and cheeses. This lets us use the frozen ones from the igloo to provide enough cold for the days worth of food, and will let us keep things frozen and cold for well over a week and pushing two. Starting almost completely full with frozen meals and only opening it once or twice a day will go a long way towards making this work. In addition with us staying at a hotel for 1 or 2 nights a week we can always get some free ice or refreeze our containers if we need to. (Most hotels will be willing to freeze a small amount of things if you ask them and dont have one in room. Just thought I'd share the shenanigans we're getting up to this month.

Using this for a work station for the laptop.

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We snagged this as it holds two complete sets of gear, shirts, cam, battery, buttons, and sd cards all in its own assigned spot. Its our shopper bugout bag.

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Then we each got a backpack, this one was mine It holds more than weeks worth of clothes if ya need (we did a weeks worth) and we both used packing cubes. In addition, this will hold my 17 inc gaming laptop and all it's accessories, my assorted chargers, a chromebook, tablet, and random assorted cables and cords, eyeglasses, etc. It also keeps another shopper shirt. (we each have two since youre guaranteed to have some kind of accident while out shopping and you need to be able to still shop and not look disgusting tongue sticking out smiley) Honestly, this backpack is ridiculously amazing.

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Here's a couple of updates I did on video.

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All in all this has been a pretty solid trip. A solo shopper could have done the vast majority of these and would easily have made 4 or 5k+ after expenses for the route. Lots of our expenses were one off charges or are things that some of you probably dont have to pay such as someone to watch your Airbnb business or all of the extra stuff we bought to mod out the sienna.

If ya got any questions, comments, or whatever feel free to post em! Hope this was educational and entertaining =)

If you dont know, we are also the owners of Mystery Shopper's Depot so if you need any video equipment, we are still processing orders and you can reach out to us if ya need anything, have questions about gear, or just want to talk shop with someone who logs some miles =)

CEO The Mystery Shoppers Depot
US Wide route shopper with 12k+ shops completed over 48 states and 6 countries.
Airbnb host based in Chicago and 10% discount if you mention this forum


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Love your posts, j, and been wondering where you been.

The life is not for me; I cannot drive a van or truck, and would need a partner.

Too bad, really, because I live half an hour off I-80, and could do rich, rich routes!
I'm not the most amazing fan of this group due to the cliques and mob mentality that some long term members have but this was something I really wanted to share and get out there. So that's why I'm' not here as much. I am very active on facebook and Reddit though.

CEO The Mystery Shoppers Depot
US Wide route shopper with 12k+ shops completed over 48 states and 6 countries.
Airbnb host based in Chicago and 10% discount if you mention this forum
@SoCalMama wrote:

Living in a van qualifies you as homeless.

You just took up yoga?

CEO The Mystery Shoppers Depot
US Wide route shopper with 12k+ shops completed over 48 states and 6 countries.
Airbnb host based in Chicago and 10% discount if you mention this forum
It is obvious that the van is not their only home, I think.

Based in MD, near DC
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel

Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
I think I get it... I am more willing to "car camp" than the hubby is. He still thinks there must be tents, bags, cook stoves, freeze dried food, and a shovel. Me? I am happy with warm clothes, blankie, fresh air on the other side of my cracked window, and easy foods such as apples, bananas, crudite, and the occasional cheese. Your method sounds downright luxurious in comparison. So, good for you!!!!! smiling smiley

Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu
@Shop-et-al wrote:

I think I get it... I am more willing to "car camp" than the hubby is. He still thinks there must be tents, bags, cook stoves, freeze dried food, and a shovel. Me? I am happy with warm clothes, blankie, fresh air on the other side of my cracked window, and easy foods such as apples, bananas, crudite, and the occasional cheese. Your method sounds downright luxurious in comparison. So, good for you!!!!! smiling smiley

I Know a couple of shoppers, @ColoKate63 I think and another shopper who I dont know if he's on here who sleep in their cars! When you think about it though, that's pure profit when you do!

We definitely wanted to go a bit more luxurious because we wouldn't want to spend as much time in there. That's why we wanted to make sure it was enough so we can have a full size bed and be able to convert to an office as needed too.

If youre comfy with easy foods there's no reason you can't do the same! I will say that setting up shop in the rain sucks. We will probably end up with a hotel a few more nights than planned due to the weather, but we'll still have spent nearly 10 nights in the van which is a savings of 1500 right off the top. Hoping to have this puppy paid off in full within a year or two.

Once we get the bed frame especially, but also the solar system setup, it'll be possible for us to have everything already "setup" for sleeping so we can just pull into a spot and go to the back. Everything we have to move around to set up now will simply be stored under the platform bed. Right now we need about 20-30 minutes and the ability to work outside of the car to get everything set up. Being able to park and be done? Muah. Gonna be amazing. Plus the obvious benefit of getting to use this for real camping.

CEO The Mystery Shoppers Depot
US Wide route shopper with 12k+ shops completed over 48 states and 6 countries.
Airbnb host based in Chicago and 10% discount if you mention this forum
"Real camping"? LOL, if you don't have running hot & cold water, you're already really camping!!!!
Wow, thank you for sharing this! How do you shower and brush your teeth?

"I told myself to quit you; but I don't listen to drunks." -Chris Stapleton
We don't always shower daily(do carry wet wipes, several gallons of water and towels) because we don't generally get stinky or sweaty all that much for most jobs. When we do though weve stayed at campgrounds with showers, the hotel when we get one, or if we stay in a friend's driveway we can use there's .


There's also the pilots, YMCAs, or various gym memberships you can use.

This is a pic of our personal care box. We carry water with us so we just brush wherever from the car.


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CEO The Mystery Shoppers Depot
US Wide route shopper with 12k+ shops completed over 48 states and 6 countries.
Airbnb host based in Chicago and 10% discount if you mention this forum


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I have a tiny house on a standard flatbed trailer. When I am traveling with it for MSing, I look for a Walmart or use freecampsites.net (I think) to spend the night. Makes for a more profitable route, especially when I throw in a few gas station shops.
Car sleeper here. Jro- your post was inspiring! You've thought everything out very well! I was going to address the frozen food thawing faster as you take more out each day but you've got that covered! What do you do for temperature control? Like nights that are severely cold or hot? And mosqitos?
@sestrahelena wrote:

Car sleeper here. Jro- your post was inspiring! You've thought everything out very well! I was going to address the frozen food thawing faster as you take more out each day but you've got that covered! What do you do for temperature control? Like nights that are severely cold or hot? And mosqitos?

I'll respond more in a bit, i have five minutes before next shop.

So we cut out screens that fit over our moonroof and our big side windows and we use magnets on top of the screen to hold them flat against them. This lets us open the windows or moonroof for fresh air and not have to worry about bugs and mosquitos. We also carry off tongue sticking out smiley

If it gets too hot, we just turn the car on and kick in the AC. We haven't had to spend an actual summer yet, but anything 70 or below outside we can make work with the small fan we brought and can plug into the battery and with opening windows and stuff.

Gotta jet!

CEO The Mystery Shoppers Depot
US Wide route shopper with 12k+ shops completed over 48 states and 6 countries.
Airbnb host based in Chicago and 10% discount if you mention this forum
Traveling in my van as opposed to staying in motels doesn't mean I am homeless.

@SoCalMama wrote:

Living in a van qualifies you as homeless.
I could travel that way. Not interested in that amount of shopping.
We have traveled across Canada a couple times in our regular van. We put a good mattress in, curtains on the windows, stayed in campgrounds. The only thing we needed and didn't go ave was screens for the windows.

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@prince wrote:

I could travel that way. Not interested in that amount of shopping.
We have traveled across Canada a couple times in our regular van. We put a good mattress in, curtains on the windows, stayed in campgrounds. The only thing we needed and didn't go ave was screens for the windows.

You can jury rig screens for under 20 bucks by buying a roll of screen and some ceramic magnets from home depot or lowes or something. Its almost ridiculously cheap. We intend on making them fancier and making a proper frame to place in the window well later as well as hot gluing the magnets on the screen itself in the future.

CEO The Mystery Shoppers Depot
US Wide route shopper with 12k+ shops completed over 48 states and 6 countries.
Airbnb host based in Chicago and 10% discount if you mention this forum
@nslinhar wrote:

I have a tiny house on a standard flatbed trailer. When I am traveling with it for MSing, I look for a Walmart or use freecampsites.net (I think) to spend the night. Makes for a more profitable route, especially when I throw in a few gas station shops.

You might wanna check out Campendium too. That site has been incredibly useful and also includes ratings for cell providers and such. This has been fantastic for profit . We spent quite a bit this month on "stuff" but its all things we wont have to rebuy a second time. The only big changes we have left is going to be the platform bed which should be 1-2 hundred and the solar system which we're expecting to come in around a grand. Well, and the lift kit and hitch so we can get a full sized spare.

CEO The Mystery Shoppers Depot
US Wide route shopper with 12k+ shops completed over 48 states and 6 countries.
Airbnb host based in Chicago and 10% discount if you mention this forum
@ceasesmith wrote:

"Real camping"? LOL, if you don't have running hot & cold water, you're already really camping!!!!

I dunno. I give side eyes to sleeping in a car and calling it "real camping" :p I feel we at least need to be in a tent and cooking our food on site to be real camping.

CEO The Mystery Shoppers Depot
US Wide route shopper with 12k+ shops completed over 48 states and 6 countries.
Airbnb host based in Chicago and 10% discount if you mention this forum
How long have you been doing mystery shopping?
Seems like you got a very lucrative side hustle. Congrats.
sparkles,
This couple have been famous in MS circles for their spectacular routes for many years. I have met them at shopper conferences, where they share their experiences by leading workshops. Gotta love MSers who are willing to share their tips and tricks with others !

Based in MD, near DC
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel

Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
@sparklesthekitty wrote:

How long have you been doing mystery shopping?
Seems like you got a very lucrative side hustle. Congrats.

Ive been doing shops since 08 I think? I didn't really start kicking it into high gear until after my first IMSC conference convincing me I should get into video shops.

I am not so sure i can call this a side hustle anymore. We pull in a "full time" income off of these. You definitely learn some tricks and refine your systems. I would say working with a partner helps a lot in many respecgts, but on the same token it means we "split" the rewards. A solo shopper would need to dedicate more admin time but wouldn't have to share so theyd definitely make more IMO.

CEO The Mystery Shoppers Depot
US Wide route shopper with 12k+ shops completed over 48 states and 6 countries.
Airbnb host based in Chicago and 10% discount if you mention this forum
I stand firm on my opinion. If you don't have running hot & cold water, you're "roughing it".

smiling smiley

I sleep in my car, but I'm not camping -- I'm just travelin' cheap!
This is absolutely amazing and I thank you so much for sharing. I've never done mystery shopping full time or do routes, mostly because I don't drive, but I am completely obsessed with van/bus/camper living (though I realize you're not living in this thing, it has it's own separate purpose.) When I first dabbled mystery shopping 15 years ago or so, I met a retired couple who turned to mystery shopping because they had sold their home, bought an RV they planned on living in full time and wanted to travel in between their kid's homes, one in NY and one in CA. They saw an ad on a retirement website and the rest is really history. They literally mystery shop from one end of the country to the other and spend a month or so at the kid's homes and it works out so well for everyone.
Them, and now you and your girl, are goals. I love adventure, travel and camping, whether it's in a tent, a van, a bus, whatever and would really like to do something between this and the RV. My Dad was in the Army and we camped all over the country between renting a weekend pop up or traveling from station to station like we did from CA to MD. This really has me pumped up right now. Thank you so much!

Shopping the South Jersey Shore
Ah yes. I have campendium bookmarked.

You have inspired me. I'll clean her up and do a route. This is the perfect weather for it south of the Mason Dixon, as I have no ac in it.
@Jenny Cassada wrote:

I've never done mystery shopping full time or do routes, mostly because I don't drive, but I am completely obsessed with van/bus/camper living (though I realize you're not living in this thing, it has it's own separate purpose.)

Who is going to drive the van then?
@jrossetti I too sleep in my car for certain gigs out of town. I cut a memory foam mattress from Walmart to fit in the backseat and shower at Retro Fitness.

Question- Since you are such an expert on mystery shopping, what mystery shop companies are worth the time? I only like Ath Power. Other shops I did weren’t worth the time. And by the way, I don’t like reimbursement only shops After doing the assignment and filling out the form I was making close to minimum wage. Your thoughts?
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