Squirrels like nuts

I heard the Whitehouse was infested with critters. LOL--let's stop now before we are not ahead!!!!!!

Who cares? The military cares and I care. Even though the military would eventually get paid they still do their job and it is not a paid vacation like non-essential government employees. I can remember how broke i was waiting for pay day. Fortunately Schumer's shut down lasted only a couple of days. This time.

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@HonnyBrown wrote:

Speaking as an Environmental Engineer, the states implement the EPA regulations. Existing regulations are still enforced and mandated, but new regulations will not be made or proposed while the EPA is furloughed.

That is true, but not the whole story. EPA is often a co-plaintiff in civil actions against violators. EPA often takes the lead on criminal enforcement. And the EPA, not the states, have enforcement authority over violations which occur at federal facilities, many of which are operated by non governmental employees.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

I think we know where most forum members stand on this. It is a bit telling about our profession and the type of people who generally find this type of work satisfying and who succeed with it, that many of us have common ground in other areas (such as politics) as well. Now I don't want us to go off on a tangent here. We know where that generally goes, so let's not incite or instigate any sort of bullship political discussion, LOL.

Interesting observation and I agree with your conclusion. I believe the majority of shoppers who have voiced their opinion on politics tend to be left of center, which puts me in the minority. I would think being an independent contractor and totally responsible for success or failure is the American dream and tends to be a conservative outlook on life, as opposed to government or corporate dependence. Where have I gone wrong with my thinking?

We, left of center, think about others. Our neighbor, children without healthcare, the dog pound, elephant tusks.....

All very noble thoughts. And what have you done about elephant tusks lately?

All very noble actions, sir.

What I did, among other things, was vote against Trump and the Republican party.

How many elephants did that save?

Typical. eta Typical question-answer session request, without a request or an invitation, to find something to get an edge, to scrutinize, to make fun of......It's boring already.

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Egads.

Weak

Unnecessary and typical.

Jas, You're right. I quit. Fun's over.

Bunch of flippin aholes. LOL. I said that once to a group of family members who I loved dearly and still do. It didn't go over well. Probably won't now.

I think people here should be able to talk to each other, whether or not they are agreeing with each other, without getting all pissy and having the crowd rage on them.

Does that mean you love me?

Jake, I don't think you have gone wrong, I think you might be young, or not, and either way I don't find fault with your way of thinking. Let time tell because people do indeed change in many aspects of their thinking and beliefs throughout life. I did.

@LIJake wrote:

@JASFLALMT wrote:

I think we know where most forum members stand on this. It is a bit telling about our profession and the type of people who generally find this type of work satisfying and who succeed with it, that many of us have common ground in other areas (such as politics) as well. Now I don't want us to go off on a tangent here. We know where that generally goes, so let's not incite or instigate any sort of bullship political discussion, LOL.

Interesting observation and I agree with your conclusion. I believe the majority of shoppers who have voiced their opinion on politics tend to be left of center, which puts me in the minority. I would think being an independent contractor and totally responsible for success or failure is the American dream and tends to be a conservative outlook on life, as opposed to government or corporate dependence. Where have I gone wrong with my thinking?

How did I get left out of this one.....actually, it's nice being on the outside looking in (for a change)...

Young? I could very well be the oldest member of this forum. If I'm going to change I don't have much time. But maybe you are right. I could become more conservative.

@LIJake wrote:

Young? I could very well be the oldest member of this forum. If I'm going to change I don't have much time. But maybe you are right. I could become more conservative.

Oh no you don't, my age is the oldest on the forum...we'll have to compare, but not here....



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Well, I'm not a millennial. Thank goodness. Just some old guy who strayed right of center. And happy to be here.

@LIJake wrote:

@JASFLALMT wrote:

I think we know where most forum members stand on this. It is a bit telling about our profession and the type of people who generally find this type of work satisfying and who succeed with it, that many of us have common ground in other areas (such as politics) as well. Now I don't want us to go off on a tangent here. We know where that generally goes, so let's not incite or instigate any sort of bullship political discussion, LOL.

Interesting observation and I agree with your conclusion. I believe the majority of shoppers who have voiced their opinion on politics tend to be left of center, which puts me in the minority. I would think being an independent contractor and totally responsible for success or failure is the American dream and tends to be a conservative outlook on life, as opposed to government or corporate dependence. Where have I gone wrong with my thinking?

I am against having political discussions on this forum but I find this post interesting and I feel like it's more of a psychological question than one of politics. I too have wondered why most people on this forum tend to lean left of center when on the surface the business appears to be one that would appeal to people right of center. I wonder if maybe this business appeals to people who tend to think a bit outside the box, which also tend to be people who lean left of center.

I know for me the things that drive me to more leftist political opinion are similar to the things that make me enjoy this job. I'll give an example that hopefully will not spark political discussion. The whole drug testing in order to get welfare. For me it's a stupid issue. Drug testing costs more than it saves and quite frankly I don't give a rat's behind if a few people end up using welfare money to buy meth if it means that a large number of people that need it get it. But then you have people who say but drugs and personal responsibility. And then insist that we spend more tax dollars to make sure no druggies get welfare than we save just saying ok here. And then turn around and complain about how much they pay in taxes. That kind of cutting off your nose to spite your face and being stupidly hardheaded about stupid issues is what made me detest corporate America. We have to do things this way BECAUSE and then some stupid reason. I know we at times have to do stupid things for stupid reasons but in this job we can just turn down that type of work.

@LIJake wrote:

Well, I'm not a millennial. Thank goodness. Just some old guy who strayed right of center. And happy to be here.

Age definitely has advantages like wisdom.....



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I have been thinking the same thing (about myself).

My dad was an AF Colonel, I was raised Republican.

I was a self starter and a business owner and identified with the Republican party throughout the Reagan era. Now, I am Independent and I refuse to let anyone make me choose a party.

Let the good times roll, baby.

@LIJake wrote:

Young? I could very well be the oldest member of this forum. If I'm going to change I don't have much time. But maybe you are right. I could become more conservative.

I disagree that this business should necessarily appeal to those on the right as opposed to the left.

First, if you consider social issues (abortion, gay marriage, ethnic equality, immigration), as a shopper, you have to pretty much feel comfortable an accepting of anybody of any background. This would appeal to anybody on the left, but might dissuade some folks on the far right.

It is true that conservatives are vocal about folks making their own way supportive of free market capitalism, which is very much the world we are in. However, it is often left out of the argument that liberals (save those furthest to the left) believe in capitalism, albeit with a few regulations. This might suggest a somewhat conservative leaning, but conservatives tend to believe in a trickle-down economic system which prioritizes corporate profits with the idea that corporate profits will lead to higher wages. Liberals are more likely to believe in Keynsian economics which would encourage regulations such as minimum wages and tax breaks which most immediately favor those on the "front lines." My impression is that the vast majority of shoppers are not particularly wealthy (otherwise we would not get really excited about a $50 bonus on a $5 shop) and, thus would tend to favor a more liberal view of economics.

I just don't see a reason to expect this line of work to more favor liberals or conservatives. Aspects of it appeal to all political persuasions.



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I can one up you on shoulda been a Republican.

I went to a private school for 12 years.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

I have been thinking the same thing (about myself).

My dad was an AF Colonel, I was raised Republican.

I was a self starter and a business owner and identified with the Republican party throughout the Reagan era. Now, I am Independent and I refuse to let anyone make me choose a party.

Let the good times roll, baby.

@LIJake wrote:

Young? I could very well be the oldest member of this forum. If I'm going to change I don't have much time. But maybe you are right. I could become more conservative.

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bg, I am not going to get into a political discussion either other than to say drug addiction is just that - an addiction. The people who are criminal here are the suppliers.

However, I disagree that thinking outside the box is a liberal tendency, particularly pertaining to business. Staying in the box means depending on the government or a corporation for your financial security, medical needs and general guidance. Thinking outside the box is an independent process and to my thinking that is a conservative viewpoint. Which baffles me why so many forum members seem to be liberal. I'm missing something.

True, but how does that affect clean water and air which are enforced by the states?

@Rousseau wrote:

@HonnyBrown wrote:

Speaking as an Environmental Engineer, the states implement the EPA regulations. Existing regulations are still enforced and mandated, but new regulations will not be made or proposed while the EPA is furloughed.

That is true, but not the whole story. EPA is often a co-plaintiff in civil actions against violators. EPA often takes the lead on criminal enforcement. And the EPA, not the states, have enforcement authority over violations which occur at federal facilities, many of which are operated by non governmental employees.