Do ethics influence your assignment choices?
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Aside from ethics, I chose not to do a CFA shop because the location got lousy reviews and I did not want to go somewhere where there was a high probability of lousy service, food for meager pay. And I like CFA.
Well we probably should just round up everyone over 50 in the US (I am 56) and send them all to the gas chamber so that there are more resources for the young. After all, we are going to die dribbling spit down our chin and living a worthless life wearing adult underwear and pissing ourselves during our remaining years, many of us anyway. Or better yet, let us loose so that the hunters can pay a fee and gun us down in the name of sport. YAY.
@isaiah58 wrote:
Do you understand why the preserves in those poor countries allow the old animals to be part of a controlled hunt to raise the funds needed to protect the core animals? There are hundreds of controlled hunts conducted across America, which BTW are for profit of the land owners. Many animal rescue programs in the US move animals like deer to controlled hunting ranches, taking donations plus fees from the ranchers. Do we list everyone hunting there? Yes, you are judging as hunting it s ethical even if for sport.
I haven't always found what is legal to be necessarily ethical.
I have not had any caffeine today. Please forgive me, if necessary.
Is animal death administered by arrow or gunshot more humane, less humane, or about the same- as this relates to humanity- as animal death administered by stronger animal?
There is no parallel for human life, here. But some people seem to have bought into Malthus hook, line, and sinker...
Is animal death administered by arrow or gunshot more humane, less humane, or about the same- as this relates to humanity- as animal death administered by stronger animal?
There is no parallel for human life, here. But some people seem to have bought into Malthus hook, line, and sinker...
Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu
That's not ethics; that's just bad business practice. I would think that making a contractor wait 3-4 months to get paid would make that business fail quickly.@Irene_L.A. wrote:
I won't shop for Cirrus due to their ignoring ethics and making a shopper wait 4 months for pay....
I do feel a company holding on to your reimbursements for over 4 months and then having to fight to get your funds is an ethic play. Ethical company's just don't do that, and the interest they make monthly throughout the country is not ethical to the shopper. I'm not talking about law, just ignoring their ethical business for the betterment of themselves...bad business and being ethical go together.
Live consciously....
I have no idea how your response relates to anything I said. Your comments about rounding up people and sending them to gas chambers is very offensive, poorly chosen example.
@JASFLALMT wrote:
Well we probably should just round up everyone over 50 in the US (I am 56) and send them all to the gas chamber so that there are more resources for the young. After all, we are going to die dribbling spit down our chin and living a worthless life wearing adult underwear and pissing ourselves during our remaining years, many of us anyway. Or better yet, let us loose so that the hunters can pay a fee and gun us down in the name of sport. YAY.
@isaiah58 wrote:
Do you understand why the preserves in those poor countries allow the old animals to be part of a controlled hunt to raise the funds needed to protect the core animals? There are hundreds of controlled hunts conducted across America, which BTW are for profit of the land owners. Many animal rescue programs in the US move animals like deer to controlled hunting ranches, taking donations plus fees from the ranchers. Do we list everyone hunting there? Yes, you are judging as hunting it s ethical even if for sport.
My posts are solely based on my opinions and for my entertainment, contact a professional if you need real advice.
When you get in debt you become a slave. - Andrew Jackson
When you get in debt you become a slave. - Andrew Jackson
Where they round up us "old" animals, maybe to use as bait.
Hunting for sport is an oxymoron. It would be more sporting if they would arm the bears....and lions and tigers, oh my.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
This thread went to hell fast. So much for objectivity! Seems to have been turned over to over-emotionality, if that's even a word. If I was an MSC I'd worry about some of you doing my reports. I'm sure those who are so fierce are also equally professional and don't accept the shops of those they rail against. At least I hope so.
Just out shopping around...
Don't be so anal. You can't tell when peeps just toss some metaphorically similar ideas out just because? This is a forum, not an Official Site Of Sworn Documentation Data Collection where everything you say can and will be used against you in a court of mystery shopping law. lol
If you don't want to be a social justice warrior through your business, it's your choice. It certainly doesn't make the rest of less professional than you. That's just silly. As spicy said, this is not a job, this is not a report. We are off the clock and sharing some unpaid opinions.
Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It's not pie.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
"I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag." -Molly Ivins
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it really annoys the pig.
But this has inspired me. I want another user name. If it were not politically.incorrect, I could change my usename to Lumbering She-Bear, or something.
Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu
I have thought if I could have an alias, what would it be and came up with; Mama bear....ho ho ho, I made myself laugh...) YES, let's play, G__ knows we work enough, but Jas, the gas chamber...
blame it on your
meal and illness.
blame it on yourmeal and illness.
Live consciously....
Irene, I was trying to make a point. I guess it would be better to just release people (or animals) and allow them to be shot while running away?
I know, I was teasing you...believe me, I'm not for guns or shooting anything, even defenseless animals.@JASFLALMT wrote:
Irene, I was trying to make a point. I guess it would be better to just release people (or animals) and allow them to be shot while running away?
With my background, gas chambers.......
Live consciously....
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Irene, it's abhorrent. The whole idea. I completely understood my reference before posting. And that was my point. There are millions of animals that are gassed as well. Just an abomination that it ever happened to human beings. The fact that people find killing fun and to be "sport" is just...unthinkable.
@JASFLALMT wrote:
Irene, I was trying to make a point. I guess it would be better to just release people (or animals) and allow them to be shot while running away?
You did not post to me. However, I do not disagree with you. Actually, I wonder if there is some plot, well, more like the culmination of recent decades education, that results in some collective consciousness in which someone is to pop the sociological baby boomer bubble and re-allocate their assets to the generations that follow. If we believe that there are too many peeps on the planet, it might be easier for us to believe that we should choose which ones can stay and which must go. This practically justifies eugenics and offing various classifications of eaters (not necessarily recognized as persons).This is not so far from the Holocaust, is it. And, it might be easier than re-allocating existing resources in a non-Communistic way so that the existing persons receive needed sustenance, etc.
Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu
I think it's best just to leave it up to the planet. Earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. It's still awful but it's not up to us to decide who gets to go and who gets to stay.
@JASFLALMT wrote:
I think it's best just to leave it up to the planet. Earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. It's still awful but it's not up to us to decide who gets to go and who gets to stay.
But there are people who believe that they should decide. How do we find them? How do we stop them?
Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu
Good luck. I think that the FBI and other such agencies would be happy if you could figure out a way to stop the next massacre (like the Las Vegas shooter or Boston Bomber). There will always be people who believe that they should be the ones to decide. If the law enforcement agencies can't find them before it happens, I don't think that "we" can stop them.
Now back to the regularly scheduled program. I don't take shops that I don't feel comfortable with, such as giving false information on a credit card application, trying to "cheat" on a test at a testing center, stuff like that. I don't really think there is anything ethically wrong with those shops, it just makes me feel uncomfortable and there are plenty of other shops I enjoy doing that pay as well or better. I guess I don't think much about the ethics and values of the MSC owners and reps unless it is blatantly pointed out in news media or in the forum, I tend to focus on whether or not I am going to get paid or not. Now if I found out that the MSC owner did some sort of horrible and heinous offense I def would take that into consideration.
Now back to the regularly scheduled program. I don't take shops that I don't feel comfortable with, such as giving false information on a credit card application, trying to "cheat" on a test at a testing center, stuff like that. I don't really think there is anything ethically wrong with those shops, it just makes me feel uncomfortable and there are plenty of other shops I enjoy doing that pay as well or better. I guess I don't think much about the ethics and values of the MSC owners and reps unless it is blatantly pointed out in news media or in the forum, I tend to focus on whether or not I am going to get paid or not. Now if I found out that the MSC owner did some sort of horrible and heinous offense I def would take that into consideration.
Now I'll need to go hunting to find out who shops Chik-fil-A. Didn't realize they were shopped. Their chicken sandwiches with the pickle are so delicious, but they're relatively expensive. The one near us always has a long line both inside and in the drive-thru.
I won't shop places that I normally wouldn't ever go - for instance, an adult book store, nudie or gay bar. Don't have a problem shopping companies like Starbucks that choose to wear their corporate politics as marketing banners. Can I be objective? Will my report benefit the client? (And, is it worth the money?)
I won't shop places that I normally wouldn't ever go - for instance, an adult book store, nudie or gay bar. Don't have a problem shopping companies like Starbucks that choose to wear their corporate politics as marketing banners. Can I be objective? Will my report benefit the client? (And, is it worth the money?)
"Let me offer you my definition of social justice: I keep what I earn and you keep what you earn. Do you disagree? Well then tell me how much of what I earn belongs to you - and why?” ~Walter Williams
I agree one hundred percent
@LIJake wrote:
My thoughts on this are if I strongly disagreed or agreed with a companies ethical, moral, religious or political perspective and it would cause me to have a strong preconceived opinion, either negatively or positively, about the company and its policies I would decline the shop. In other words, if I was prejudiced going in I shouldn't be there. Fortunately, this dilemma has not been a part of any of the shops I have done.
@Irene_L.A. wrote:
I won't shop for Cirrus due to their ignoring ethics and making a shopper wait 4 months for pay....same for other MSC's that don't care to pay within a month, and make interest through out the county on our money. I don't do banks over and over and would definitely not do jobs if they interfered with my ethics...many times it's not obvious as to underhanded ethics of a company, so, then, what I don't know won't hurt me.
I dont think I do shops for a single company who pays in under a month. 3 to 5k in shops per month and all 45 to 60.
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I won't do the strip joints or check cashing places. Call it personal preference.
Back to basics, I don't do jobs that require giving the worker a citation good or bad....it's quite humiliating to the worker and the shopper....who thinks of these things? I also won't give my blood, their are plenty of other jobs out there. Saks cosmetics, Barneys, Rodeo Dr., now your talking...:LOL I do give praise to all my companies that don't throw me to the curb because of age......two sides to every story!!
Live consciously....
Hooters. Just really don't want to go there. Ever. Not even for pay. And when my kids were in middle school some families with kids on a sports team would go there after a game. Little boys of all ages! That's just nasty (IMO). SMH
I would not be able to do a church shop. Something just seems really off. You are rating the hospitality of people, and are lying to these nice, welcoming members. There is no price on some things, and this is one. I am almost as disturbed that church is now a business paying a mystery shopping company.
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