@cynthamarieh wrote:
I dont understand folks who want socialism. Look it up in the history books. It has NEVER worked. Go live in a socialist country for a while and see for yourself. Trump 2020! Yay capitalism!
@Irene_L.A. wrote:
Socialism for Bernie and most Democrats pertaining to health means "one for all, and all for one" with everyone having the same health care, which I am opposed to...call it what you will, it is levels down from what I now have, why should those with good Ins. want to switch, and why make anyone switch, give it to those that have no Ins.
@MFJohnston wrote:
You do understand that Trump’s interference with the markets is the antithesis of capitalism?
@cynthamarieh wrote:
I dont understand folks who want socialism. Look it up in the history books. It has NEVER worked. Go live in a socialist country for a while and see for yourself. Trump 2020! Yay capitalism!
I don't think that's what will happen, too expensive and not enough Doctors to go around, unless he also makes education free.@bgriffin wrote:
@Irene_L.A. wrote:
Socialism for Bernie and most Democrats pertaining to health means "one for all, and all for one" with everyone having the same health care, which I am opposed to...call it what you will, it is levels down from what I now have, why should those with good Ins. want to switch, and why make anyone switch, give it to those that have no Ins.
I think you either misunderstand or are not aware of what Bernie wants. He doesn't want to take away your health care or health care plan. He doesn't want to change your health care in any way. He simply wants to give the rest of the country the same health care plan that you have.
@Irene_L.A. wrote:
I don't think that's what will happen, too expensive and not enough Doctors to go around, unless he also makes education free.
@Shop-et-al wrote:
You understand that drug lords & ladies and trafficking moguls are expert capitalists, don't you?
@MFJohnston wrote:
You do understand that Trump’s interference with the markets is the antithesis of capitalism?
@cynthamarieh wrote:
I dont understand folks who want socialism. Look it up in the history books. It has NEVER worked. Go live in a socialist country for a while and see for yourself. Trump 2020! Yay capitalism!
@bgriffin wrote:
@Irene_L.A. wrote:
Socialism for Bernie and most Democrats pertaining to health means "one for all, and all for one" with everyone having the same health care, which I am opposed to...call it what you will, it is levels down from what I now have, why should those with good Ins. want to switch, and why make anyone switch, give it to those that have no Ins.
I think you either misunderstand or are not aware of what Bernie wants. He doesn't want to take away your health care or health care plan. He doesn't want to change your health care in any way. He simply wants to give the rest of the country the same health care plan that you have.
@tstewart3 wrote:
If the "rest of the country" wants the same healthcare as I have, they should work as hard as I do for it instead of some always on the public doll politician handing it to them paid for by my hard work.
@heartlandcanuck wrote:
With universal health care, the medical providers are still part of the private sector. Clinics and hospitals, large practice or small, would still be still be businesses. The hospitals that are non-profits would still be so and the ones that are for-profit would still be so. The main difference is that they would no longer need a huge billing department or the need for the regular use of a collection agency because most of their clients would have the same plan and they would know they were getting paid.
@bgriffin wrote:
@Irene_L.A. wrote:
I don't think that's what will happen, too expensive and not enough Doctors to go around, unless he also makes education free.
That's exactly what he (and many others) want to happen and the Koch brothers' own think tank research said it'll SAVE money.
@tstewart3 wrote:
If the "rest of the country" wants the same healthcare as I have, they should work as hard as I do for it instead of some always on the public doll politician handing it to them paid for by my hard work.
@MFJohnston wrote:
Your logic is amazing.
@Shop-et-al wrote:
You understand that drug lords & ladies and trafficking moguls are expert capitalists, don't you?
@MFJohnston wrote:
You do understand that Trump’s interference with the markets is the antithesis of capitalism?
Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu
@MFJohnston wrote:
@Shop-et-al
The issue is simple: your argument made no sense. I responded to a post that supported DT as a capitalist by pointing out that his actions showed he was not much of one. You responded by talking about drug lords as capitalists. Are you equating DT to drug lords? Or, are you saying capitalists are bad? No dis is intended. Your logic simply did not follow.
@Shop-et-al wrote:
@MFJohnston wrote:
@Shop-et-al
The issue is simple: your argument made no sense. I responded to a post that supported DT as a capitalist by pointing out that his actions showed he was not much of one. You responded by talking about drug lords as capitalists. Are you equating DT to drug lords? Or, are you saying capitalists are bad? No dis is intended. Your logic simply did not follow.
And I responded to your statement about Donald Trump interfering in the marketplaces. markets which you implied makes him antithetical to capitalism. The domestic and global marketplaces include legal and illegal capitalist ventures. President Trump has taken on various illegal and progressively harmful capitalist ventures, such as those associated with the drug, sex, and trafficking industries. Please try again.
@bgriffin wrote:
[ 10 or 15 years ago a group of people at my brother's church started having cook outs in poor neighborhoods on Saturdays. They had a trailer with a couple of big grills on it and they would park it in some area, cook burgers, and give them to anyone that asked for one. We were talking about it once and I asked him, well how do you make sure the people asking for burgers are the ones that need them? His reply was they didn't know and they didn't care. Their opinion was that they weren't going to let a few people who came and got their free burgers stop them from feeding them to people who needed them. It was counterproductive. I had never really thought of it before, but that's the attitude most conservatives seem to have. They are willing to stop giving to people who truly need things just so they can also stop giving things to people who don't. And to me that's incredibly counterproductive.
@lbtweety47 wrote:
For those wanting a single payer healthcare (Medicare). I was researching moving to Italy and specifically their government run health care system. My eyes opened and I no longer support this - instead let's fix why our healthcare is so expensive (hospitals/specialists/medications)
. If you are interested you can read: [www.justlanded.com]