@prince..that's a lot. Turmeric is a warm spice. For a cup of milk, 1/4 tsp.

There you have it! I use a turmeric bone broth protein, so I have a scoop inside of the container. The scoop is about 3 tablespoons in size. But I'm not sure how much turmeric is in it in ratio to the bone broth powder, so I was just guessing. I also use 8-10 ounces of almond milk.

Do you guys use the metric system in Canada? A pint is 16 ounces (a full glass of nice ale or stout is also a pint). I have never seen point abbreviated before. Pt. is pint to me. Not familiar with Weight Watchers...

@prince wrote:

1 1/2 tsp -0 Weight Watchers points (pt)
2 tsp. 1 WW pt

What's a pint? LOL. Have not heard of a pint in 50ish years.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

No, that can't be accurate. It would take a lot of tsp to make a pint.

@prince wrote:

1 1/2 tsp is 0. 2 to 5 tsp are 1 pt.

@shoptastic wrote:

Lots more in there too, but I thought these were enlightening snippets from it.

I tend not to be an alarmist, germaphobe or conspiracy theorist. I found reading the link to the actual CDC report very concerning and reminded me just how little is truly known about the virus.

When organic matter dies and disintegrates it decomposes pretty quickly to its component parts. A few days post mortem of an organism as small as a virus one could expect to find traces of adenine, guanine, cytosine or uracil, but one should not be able to determine whether their origin was from a Corona virus cell or from decomposition of other RNA material. One can be assured it is RNA rather than DNA if it has uracil rather than thymine. If the CDC was able to find evidence of Corona 17 days after it was deposited on surfaces, that is an indication that it had not yet decomposed and therefore was still viable or only recently deceased.

It is in the nature of scientific discourse to question the findings of others. Sometimes that questioning reveals defective methodologies, sometimes defective analysis, sometimes defective conclusions. It is the beginning of the conversation before experiments are done to attempt to replicate results. Meanwhile it is in the nature of scientific discourse to moderate down that which might cause 'excessive' concern or jubilation.

A comment that the virus is only viable on hard surfaces for two days is disturbing enough, but calming when compared to 17 or more days. But if 2 days is correct, was my school district just being wasteful sanitizing every school when the kids were not going to return for at least two weeks? The point is that we don't truly know and for myself I will take the 'better safe than sorry' approach, as obviously did my school district.

Yes, Canada is officially metric, though still use imperial system for some things.
The Alberta roads were surveyed 1 road North and South every mile and 1 road East and West every 2 miles. So while I know it is 10k if I go all they way around the block, if I just go from corner to corner I will say 2 miles.

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@ wrote:

A comment that the virus is only viable on hard surfaces for two days is disturbing enough, but calming when compared to 17 or more days. But if 2 days is correct, was my school district just being wasteful sanitizing every school when the kids were not going to return for at least two weeks? The point is that we don't truly know and for myself I will take the 'better safe than sorry' approach, as obviously did my school district.

I've personally taken the "safer than sorry" route myself and just assumed a very lengthy potential survivability time-frame for COVID-19 on surfaces and in the air. I have loved ones, who would be high risk targets for serious complications if they contracted the virus. So, for me, I've gone to possibly what others may think of as "nutty" extremes.

If there's a chance that the current findings we have are off, I would rather be prepared for the worst case.

I think on the more intellectual side of things, we should definitely try to use the most up-to-date and best sources. So far, Flash, I'm not seeing any reputable sources report the survivability of COVID-19 up through 17 days or just short of it. All the articles I'm seeing and opinions from Ivy League and top medical/biology school professors don't go that high.

The two interviewees in The Guardian piece were experts:
[www.theguardian.com]
Dr Akiko Iwasaki: Professor of Immunology at Yale University
Dr Julia Marcus: Infectious Disease Epidemiologist and Professor in the Department of Population Medicine at Harvard Medical School

Some more commentary here from Carolyn Machamer:
[hub.jhu.edu]

@ wrote:

Carolyn Machamer, a professor of cell biology whose lab at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine has studied the basic biology of coronaviruses for years, joined Johns Hopkins MPH/MBA candidate Samuel Volkin for a brief discussion of these findings and what they mean for efforts to protect against spread of the virus. The conversation has been edited for length and clarity.

Volkin: According to this report, it sounds like the COVID-19 virus is potentially living on surfaces for days. How worried should we be about our risk of becoming infected simply by touching something an infected person was in contact with days ago?
Machamer: What's getting a lot of press and is presented out of context is that the virus can last on plastic for 72 hours—which sounds really scary. But what's more important is the amount of the virus that remains. It's less than 0.1% of the starting virus material. Infection is theoretically possible but unlikely at the levels remaining after a few days. People need to know this.

While the New England Journal of Medicine study found that the COVID virus can be detected in the air for 3 hours, in nature, respiratory droplets sink to the ground faster than the aerosols produced in this study. The experimental aerosols used in labs are smaller than what comes out of a cough or sneeze, so they remain in the air at face-level longer than heavier particles would in nature.

(see link for full article)

@Flash wrote:

When organic matter dies and disintegrates it decomposes pretty quickly to its component parts. A few days post mortem of an organism as small as a virus one could expect to find traces of adenine, guanine, cytosine or uracil, but one should not be able to determine whether their origin was from a Corona virus cell or from decomposition of other RNA material. One can be assured it is RNA rather than DNA if it has uracil rather than thymine. If the CDC was able to find evidence of Corona 17 days after it was deposited on surfaces, that is an indication that it had not yet decomposed and therefore was still viable or only recently deceased.

Definitely not scientifically literate enough to comment here, but have no reason to doubt this either. I did email some of the professors in these articles on this topic, though, to see if they might provide feedback. Knowing how busy they must be, I have no delusions that they'd answer my question(s). But, it was worth a shot anyways!

One big thing I'm keeping in mind is that the lab studies on the virus' survivability were in controlled settings. How it operates in the "real" world may not be the same. And, I'm not sure we've repeated these results enough or (as you said) looked at methodological air-tightness to be confident of findings at this stage.

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^^Actually, Marcus and Iwasaki technically DON'T say the virus cannot be viable up through 17 days or slightly less. They just say that the finding of viral RNA does not mean that it was viable if I'm reading them correctly.

*hoping some of them respond to my email*

I think I already had the virus. I had bronchitis, phenomena, and an upper respiratory infection all at the same time earlier. It had me down for a while. As of today, I still haven't gotten my taste and smell back fully. I was finally getting up and about when I heard about the first case. I remember, after hearing about the first case, thinking that I sure don't need to get the virus after just going through what I went through. Looking back, I think I had it when I was sick because I had all the symptoms.



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Those caps are a game changer if you have arthritis.

@guysmom wrote:

So while I don't have Tumeric on hand, I DO have Tumeric w/Curcumin & Peperine capsules. Could I open up one of those?? If so, would just a "pinch" of that be sufficient?? TIA!

//LONG READ AHEAD//

I came down with flu-like symptoms in late Feb. I had traveled the previous two weekends, staying in hotels, eating out, basically the normal stuff you do on a weekend trip. Sunday night after returning from the second weekend trip, I came down with the shakes/chills. It took 4 layers of clothes and four blankets/quilts before the shivering finally stopped and I could get some sleep at 9am Monday morning. I slept on and off all day Monday and Tuesday before finally trying some Ibuprofen to manage the fever. It helped some, but the acetaminophen I took on Wednesday worked better.

From the first day, I had all the typical severe flu type symptoms; fever, chills, zero energy, aches in joints/muscles, but really no nasal congestion. I had a cough that was very painful in my upper chest immediately. I would fall asleep and wake up feeling like I had just slept 6 hours, but looked at the clock and only 15 minutes had passed. After one doze, I thought I had slept through the night and woke up the next day yet had only dozed for a few minutes in reality.

I finally broke the fever on Thursday morning after waking up drenched in sweat. My undershirt could literally wring water out. All of the symptoms (except the fever) persisted. On Thursday, the diarrhea started. I thought that was weird since I had not eaten a single thing since Sunday. I had absolutely no appetite. The thought of food was just unappealing completely. I drank a lot of fluids to stay hydrated. I could not even stand my morning coffee and I am an avid coffee drinker! The coffee tasted weird and even tasted bad.

The zero appetite lasted about three weeks. I ate only because I knew I needed to, but had no appetite or desire to eat whatsoever. Food did not taste bad, but neither did it taste good. The cough developed into what I would classify as a walking pneumonia or possibly bronchitis. It was a dry cough at first and eventually began breaking up. I ate cough drops like candy and they seemed to provide some temporary relief. By the end of week three, I was feeling about 80 percent better (and improving).

By week four, I slowly began to regain some of my appetite and food started tasting a little bit better to me. I still had the cough, but it was improving.

I am in week 6 now (if I calculated correctly) and am 99 percent back to normal. I still have some upper chest mucous that comes up with a throat clear or cough, but my sinuses, nose, and ears are all clear.

What did I have? I have no clue. It felt like a bad case of the flu, but also felt somehow different. The painful cough from day 1, the complete loss of appetite (which normally returns for me once the fever is gone), and the weird taste of food were all different from a typical case of flu. Was it COVID-19? Perhaps, as it fits with many of the listed symptoms, but so do many other types of flu. I kinda hope it was COVID-19 now that I have essentially recovered. I hope I have the chance to have a blood screen at some point to see if I have the IGG antibodies for COVID-19, but I suspect that will be months from now when the CDC tries to get more accurate data about the spread of the disease.

One thing I can tell you is I have been hyper-vigilant over the past 6 weeks to NOT catch the COVID-19 virus. I normally have what I consider to be a strong immune system. However, being in the midst of recovering from one virus, I felt that put me into the high-risk category of an underlying condition and wasn't sure of my immune systems' ability to combat COVID-19 directly on the heels of another respiratory illness.

Be well everyone!