@parkcitybrian wrote:
@HonnyBrown wrote:
Can someone PM me the German grocery's MSC?
Thanks
the msc has been mentioned in prior posts/threads
@parkcitybrian wrote:
@cpr16 wrote:
additionally, props to the msc that just took the whole foods account.
OMG I want a Whole Foods shop. I haven't seen them, so I must not have discovered the company who does them yet.
Anyhow, in relation to the topic at hand, I have been pondering who is taking the $4 grocery shop and the $7 cell shop. In all fairness, some of these shops don't take rocket science. Market Force is a company, and they're trying to get the lowest bid. They lost their biggest client, so they're trying to tread water now. Of course their fees are going down. Never mind that everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon, such as some of the largest companies like SLHX and IS. It does truly suck in some ways.
All that being said, I personally cannot justify taking shops that pay less than $20 unless they have a super simple report and don't take long on site (and/or don't have a lot of travel involved). I am just completing my taxes for last year and my profit after taking into account deductions was abysmal. I was a new shopper, though, so I took lower fee shops. But sadly, those shops still paid higher last year than similar shops are being paid now.
Considering my own habits and proclivity for collecting insane amounts of observations and then writing detailed narratives, I have to realize that I should not take too many low-paying jobs. I personally was "made" to do intensive work with a lot of detail and extensive writing. It is hard for me sometimes to pare that down to what I'm being compensated for with cheaper shops. It also seems to me that I tend to think that jobs require more work than they really are expecting, so I get a little zealous.
I'm about to diverge a tiny bit, so I apologize. Is it just me, or do some schedulers and other people at MSCs just seem mean-spirited? Some of the most unhappy people I've talked to or emailed have been at the company I have to work with a lot because they're local. They also pay a pittance, so I can see why the actual employees are so unhappy. Anyhow, back to where I was going....
It seems like the prevailing attitude at many MSCs now is "too bad, either take the job or don't." It used to be like that before, but now it appears to be even more intense. I've gotten into "discussions" lately with certain schedulers about my objections over particularly complicated but lower paying shops and I've been shut down in short order. I think that schedulers showing some amount of understanding rather than throwing a hissy fit over a few dollars bonus request would be great. Is it so wrong to let a scheduler/MSC know when things are more complicated than they probably should be for the compensation? There are times I just wish some of these schedulers and other MSC employees would do some of these shops, and then they would know what I'm talking about.
Anyhow, I am done blabbing. I just needed to vent a little.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/04/2016 06:09AM by Evalu8this.
@Evalu8this wrote:
@parkcitybrian wrote:
@cpr16 wrote:
additionally, props to the msc that just took the whole foods account.
OMG I want a Whole Foods shop. I haven't seen them, so I must not have discovered the company who does them yet.
Anyhow, in relation to the topic at hand, I have been pondering who is taking the $4 grocery shop and the $7 cell shop. In all fairness, some of these shops don't take rocket science. Market Force is a company, and they're trying to get the lowest bid. They lost their biggest client, so they're trying to tread water now. Of course their fees are going down. Never mind that everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon, such as some of the largest companies like SLHX and IS. It does truly suck in some ways.
All that being said, I personally cannot justify taking shops that pay less than $20 unless they have a super simple report and don't take long on site (and/or don't have a lot of travel involved). I am just completing my taxes for last year and my profit after taking into account deductions was abysmal. I was a new shopper, though, so I took lower fee shops. But sadly, those shops still paid higher last year than similar shops are being paid now.
Considering my own habits and proclivity for collecting insane amounts of observations and then writing detailed narratives, I have to realize that I should not take too many low-paying jobs. I personally was "made" to do intensive work with a lot of detail and extensive writing. It is hard for me sometimes to pare that down to what I'm being compensated for with cheaper shops. It also seems to me that I tend to think that jobs require more work than they really are expecting, so I get a little zealous.
I'm about to diverge a tiny bit, so I apologize. Is it just me, or do some schedulers and other people at MSCs just seem mean-spirited? Some of the most unhappy people I've talked to or emailed have been at the company I have to work with a lot because they're local. They also pay a pittance, so I can see why the actual employees are so unhappy. Anyhow, back to where I was going....
It seems like the prevailing attitude at many MSCs now is "too bad, either take the job or don't." It used to be like that before, but now it appears to be even more intense. I've gotten into "discussions" lately with certain schedulers about my objections over particularly complicated but lower paying shops and I've been shut down in short order. I think that schedulers showing some amount of understanding rather than throwing a hissy fit over a few dollars bonus request would be great. Is it so wrong to let a scheduler/MSC know when things are more complicated than they probably should be for the compensation? There are times I just wish some of these schedulers and other MSC employees would do some of these shops, and then they would know what I'm talking about.
Anyhow, I am done blabbing. I just needed to vent a little.
you are spot on and insightful
@tnlarry wrote:
You folks are missing the beauty of being independent contractors. No one is forcing you to do the shops. But also, no one is guaranteeing you the shops. If you don't like the price or the food then don't Take the shop. But please don't insult other independent contractors who decide it is worth their time/effort. If you want guaranteed wages/jobs go get a regular job! Otherwise enjoy your freedom to choose your shops and allows others the freedom to go the same.
Or do both. I performed three "low-paying" shops on my way into work this morning. Each shop took less than 10 minutes. I am now eating my banana and bottled water as my morning snack. And I still receive my salary from my FT job. I could not perform a "high-paying" shop before work because none of the places were open. No car dealerships. No apartment complexes. No high-end retail stores. No banks. No fine dining restaurants. Most grocery stores were not even open yet. You do what works for you. I do plenty of the high-paying shops and bonused shops when it works into my very busy schedule.@tnlarry wrote:
If you want guaranteed wages/jobs go get a regular job! Otherwise enjoy your freedom to choose your shops and allows others the freedom to go the same.
I used to do those hair product shops but stopped because 1) they lowered the fee and 2) I ended up not liking their hair care products. I stopped doing cell phone shops about two years ago. I have heard that MF has gas station shops but I perform GS shops for another company that pays better and keeps me plenty busy. In fact, I had to cut back on GS shops because I had too many of them automatically being assigned to me when I didn't have the time to do them.@JASFLALMT wrote:
But, I have done a few of their high-end haircare product shops (though I got tiffed when they lowered the reimbursement on those). And, when they bonus their cell phone shops well enough, I will take those too. I certainly don't knock anyone for taking shops that they like to do for low fees.
@kenasch wrote:
I accepted 3 gas shops which were listed at $5 for reimbursement (2 gals of gas and in store purchase) and $9 for fee. I have done them before and since they only require 2 photos I found them to be quick and a good filler shop. I did one yesterday and when I started the report I found that these are actually mystery shop and audit reports. There is a reveal and many photos required. I failed to read the CPI before hand (my fault) since I have done so many of these in the past where it was just the mystery shop scenario. I also don't recall the qualifying questions mentioning the audit at alI. I went ahead and cancelled the shop and also the other two future shops. I will probably be deactivated but there is no way I can justify doing these particularly shops at a total of $14.
@CoffeeQueen wrote:
@kenasch wrote:
I accepted 3 gas shops which were listed at $5 for reimbursement (2 gals of gas and in store purchase) and $9 for fee. I have done them before and since they only require 2 photos I found them to be quick and a good filler shop. I did one yesterday and when I started the report I found that these are actually mystery shop and audit reports. There is a reveal and many photos required. I failed to read the CPI before hand (my fault) since I have done so many of these in the past where it was just the mystery shop scenario. I also don't recall the qualifying questions mentioning the audit at alI. I went ahead and cancelled the shop and also the other two future shops. I will probably be deactivated but there is no way I can justify doing these particularly shops at a total of $14.
When I make a mistake (like you did) I make it right if at all possible. I can't imagine how you justify NOT doing them. Then don't take them anymore. You are shooting yourself in the foot by allowing yourself to get either a black mark or deactivated.
I just messed up a simple grocery shop this weekend, and I am doing it over for base price (It was bonused.) I feel lucky that they are allowing me to redo it, because it is my reputation as a reliable and solid shopper that is at stake, not a few dollars. I will financially come out a little in the red but you can't put a dollar amount on a good reputation.
@parkcitybrian wrote:
@CoffeeQueen wrote:
@kenasch wrote:
I accepted 3 gas shops which were listed at $5 for reimbursement (2 gals of gas and in store purchase) and $9 for fee. I have done them before and since they only require 2 photos I found them to be quick and a good filler shop. I did one yesterday and when I started the report I found that these are actually mystery shop and audit reports. There is a reveal and many photos required. I failed to read the CPI before hand (my fault) since I have done so many of these in the past where it was just the mystery shop scenario. I also don't recall the qualifying questions mentioning the audit at alI. I went ahead and cancelled the shop and also the other two future shops. I will probably be deactivated but there is no way I can justify doing these particularly shops at a total of $14.
When I make a mistake (like you did) I make it right if at all possible. I can't imagine how you justify NOT doing them. Then don't take them anymore. You are shooting yourself in the foot by allowing yourself to get either a black mark or deactivated.
I just messed up a simple grocery shop this weekend, and I am doing it over for base price (It was bonused.) I feel lucky that they are allowing me to redo it, because it is my reputation as a reliable and solid shopper that is at stake, not a few dollars. I will financially come out a little in the red but you can't put a dollar amount on a good reputation.
sorry but i disagree. canceling a shop after accepting it is an option that we, as independent contractors, have the right to do. sure, it might have an impact on future assignments with a msc but that is the risk that is taken and being deactivated by mf might not be all that bad. it might lead to shoppers not snacking on the low-hanging fruit. "shooting yourself in the foot", hardly. being deactivated or given a black mark by mf just might be a blessing-in-disguise. hopefully you're not the type who views being given a "hero citation" in lieu of fees beyond the typical $3.00-$4.00 as being thrilling. no offense but just sayin'.
@CoffeeQueen wrote:
@parkcitybrian wrote:
@CoffeeQueen wrote:
@kenasch wrote:
I accepted 3 gas shops which were listed at $5 for reimbursement (2 gals of gas and in store purchase) and $9 for fee. I have done them before and since they only require 2 photos I found them to be quick and a good filler shop. I did one yesterday and when I started the report I found that these are actually mystery shop and audit reports. There is a reveal and many photos required. I failed to read the CPI before hand (my fault) since I have done so many of these in the past where it was just the mystery shop scenario. I also don't recall the qualifying questions mentioning the audit at alI. I went ahead and cancelled the shop and also the other two future shops. I will probably be deactivated but there is no way I can justify doing these particularly shops at a total of $14.
When I make a mistake (like you did) I make it right if at all possible. I can't imagine how you justify NOT doing them. Then don't take them anymore. You are shooting yourself in the foot by allowing yourself to get either a black mark or deactivated.
I just messed up a simple grocery shop this weekend, and I am doing it over for base price (It was bonused.) I feel lucky that they are allowing me to redo it, because it is my reputation as a reliable and solid shopper that is at stake, not a few dollars. I will financially come out a little in the red but you can't put a dollar amount on a good reputation.
sorry but i disagree. canceling a shop after accepting it is an option that we, as independent contractors, have the right to do. sure, it might have an impact on future assignments with a msc but that is the risk that is taken and being deactivated by mf might not be all that bad. it might lead to shoppers not snacking on the low-hanging fruit. "shooting yourself in the foot", hardly. being deactivated or given a black mark by mf just might be a blessing-in-disguise. hopefully you're not the type who views being given a "hero citation" in lieu of fees beyond the typical $3.00-$4.00 as being thrilling. no offense but just sayin'.
I have no problem with disagreements, and I also have no problem with money in lieu of "hero citations". I have a big problem with hero citations in lieu of money. It is my opinion and my business if I want to make sure that I am always keeping my end of a bargain. I can always decline future shops having learned a lesson. Of course this thread is about MF and I personally would not want to be deactivated by them. I don't work for them very much but when I do the money is usually easy and pretty good. However, what others do or don't do is not my business. I just stated my opinion once and now I'm done.
I did the same thing this month: I think there was a difference in the way they were posted this time. It was easy to miss that these were audits rather than mystery shops when doing the qualification quiz and reading the brief summary. I signed up for five (5)! Once I realized that they were audits, not MSs, I cancelled them with the "Fee not enough for amount of work" reason. No way was I going to do 5 audits for them at that price. I value my relationship with MF, I hope they don't deactivate me over it, but looking at this board, it seems that a couple of shoppers have had the same thing happen. But I'm an IC, and if MF wants to terminate our relationship over this, that's their right and I'm prepared for those consequences.@kenasch wrote:
I accepted 3 gas shops which were listed at $5 for reimbursement (2 gals of gas and in store purchase) and $9 for fee. I have done them before and since they only require 2 photos I found them to be quick and a good filler shop. I did one yesterday and when I started the report I found that these are actually mystery shop and audit reports. There is a reveal and many photos required. I failed to read the CPI before hand (my fault) since I have done so many of these in the past where it was just the mystery shop scenario. I also don't recall the qualifying questions mentioning the audit at alI. I went ahead and cancelled the shop and also the other two future shops. I will probably be deactivated but there is no way I can justify doing these particularly shops at a total of $14.
'@parkcitybrian wrote:
here is the skinny on mf losing their biggest client. i'm friendly with one of their franchisees. the client felt that they were not getting value received. it was pointed out to their marketing/franchise compliance department at their corporate headquarters in the state of xxx (i'm trying not to link the msc with their client) that the reports that were coming in from the msc lacked the detail that was expected and there were too many "re-do's and reports that were not acceptable due to shoppers not paying attention to detail such as errors in timing, etc., etc. as well as shoppers failing to follow the guidelines that were set forth. it was determined that a lot of the failure(s) were as a result of the msc attracting shoppers in their data base and reducing the amount of the fee to the point that the quality of the shoppers and the reports that were coming in were below what was expected. mf realized (belatedly) that paying shoppers a pittance is a recipe for failure because "you get what you pay for" = shoppers who are unable to do an assignment which requires a skill-set beyond just showing up and going through the motions. sorry to offend those who have done those kinds of shops but...it is what it is. don't blame the messenger. has mf learned? looking at their current fee structure, the jury is out.
@spicy1 wrote:
I know I pass through Starbucks and there's 7 people working there.
I pass through a convenience store and there's 1 person; slammed.
Has anyone ever robbed a Starbucks? I'll look it up.
@BirdyC wrote:
@Orrymain wrote:
Location is a big thing in mystery shopping.
Yes, we're worth more, but you can't draw money where none is being offered!
I do agree with this! If I lived 35 miles south of here, I could make a decent living doing nothing but mystery shopping (if I wanted to). The bank shops pay more than most around here do, there are more shops, there are more higher-paying shops, and there is a greater variety of shops. Even if I tried to make a route, the drive time, gas, and wear and tear on my car would be hard to make up. (I've tried to work some out on paper, and they're just never worth it.) And, right now, I need a more reliable car. If I can pick up some shops that are all bonused, when I have a better car, it would be worth it for me to make the drive to do a route.
Unfortunately, I live in East Podunk. While I don't think there are a lot of shoppers in my area and I've been picking up some higher-paying shops, I just don't have access to shops that pay more than $75 or so. I could do the $125 commercial van shop, but at two trips and with the location of the dealerships, it's not worth it. I'm not a guy, so I can't do the $150 Porsche shops. And I've already done the two Acura shops in my area. There was only one high-end hotel shop anywhere near me, but that no longer shows up on the boards. I'm genearally SOL on the higher-paying shops. Within my confines, though, I'm trying to cull out the low-fee shops and concentrate on the better ones. But I'll do a burger or a wings shop for $5 plus reimbursement, because I like the food! Food is the one thing I'll do at a cheap fee! But only if I like the food.