UPDATE......received a lenthly letter after cancelling.....about the economy and such. States they will not take as long paying in the future, it was sincere and I'd like to believe. Let me put my armour on, o.k. go for it!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/11/2010 12:28AM by Irene_L.A..

what does that mean? you are gong for it?

Go for it, means I'm waiting for you to attack me for saying I want to believe it...no I didn't do it. See how words can be misread, I certainly didn't say I took it.

I did not say you took it, Irene, I was trying to understand what you were trying to say. THAT's why I asked.

Received another email from them saying they re-assigned the job. Guess all the ranting about MSC's on forum's and trying to boycott doesn't work. I didn't do it (although I wanted to give it a try for myself and family), yet someone else did. Had I done it, I would have waited for $$ knowing ahead that would be my reality. End of subject.

Irene_L.A. Wrote:
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> Received another email from them saying they
> re-assigned the job. Guess all the ranting
> about MSC's on forum's and trying to boycott
> doesn't work. I didn't do it (although I
> wanted to give it a try for myself and family),
> yet someone else did. Had I done it, I would have
> waited for $$ knowing ahead that would be my
> reality. End of subject.


Irene, there was never any expectation of a successful boycott of the MSC. Even if everyone who reads the forum never accepts a Freeman shop, there are many shoppers who do not read this forum or any other. Someone will always take a shop if one of us does not. Were you thinking that if you refused the shop, Freeman would not be able to find anyone willing to accept it? That they might beg you and if they begged hard enough you might do it after all? I would not have done the shop. I would not have accepted the shop in the first place, but if I had accepted the shop, I would not have posted opening up a discussion of whether or not I should do a shop after I had already accepted it. Once I accept shops, I do them. Coulda, shoulda, woulda ....... you made your own decision and took the shop and then made your own decision again and declined the shop, and someone else took it. If you wanted to do the shop for yourself and your family and wait for the $$ you could have and should have done that.

AM...no I certainly wasn't thinking they couldn't fill the job. I worked for three years before joining a forum, and did fine...I learned on my own. My point was give out your info., and then back off, we are all grown up and should decide on our own. I worked for an MSC that had trouble, then a couple years later they were o.k. that's all I'm saying. I realize when people get burned especially with hotels, they are a big output, the sting remains. There were many untue statements I won't go into. I feel more than ever, dealing with the company will help you personally than perhaps a disgruntled shopper (Mickey and Steve excluded) that has a grudge. I had the same experience with Goodwin and don't shop them, however, won't discourage anyone from shopping them, as long as they know the deal, the choice is there's. Things got so out of hand on a couple threads dealing with my not being allowed to have an opinion, I have stopped posting. My time is more precious than fighting , but, I did want to answer you.

I don't want to go back to high school....lol.

Irene, I have known you from 3 separate forums. I have always had a soft spot in my heart for you, but no more. I was trying, as Mickey corectly read, to save you from the heartache of trying to get Freeman to pay you, to endure months of non-communication and waiting for your money, like I had to do with them. Instead, you sling insinuations about my intent.

So here is my final comment to you on this company. I hope you take a shop next week. I will wait here, laughingly, while you spend months getting them to pay you, if you get paid at all. While you are at it, please go take some shops for Channelwatch, Goodwin, and Melissa at DSS.

Perhaps then you will see the value of the warnings of "disgruntled shoppers." Until then, happy shopping. Go believe all the BS you want. I am sure some MSC's will have a bridge in London to sell you as well. But I won't care anymore when it happens, or when you end up despairing about it happening.

Good luck to you. You truly need luck if these are the MSC's you choose to do business with.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/14/2010 07:55AM by dee shops.

I have been on three forums in my life, Volition, MSFreedom and this one, only MSing forums, and I know you were trying to help, I get it, that was apparant, but overdone. Freeman not answering, they have emailed me in answer to my concern over taking the job, they stood up and answered my questions, so, hopefully that's changed. You hated Dave and Sentry, now your friends....what a delemia your in, talking one way and doing another. I am really not a forum person and come here for info. and hopefully some kind strokes, but I am always true to myself.

Freeman jobs that come up, I will decide if I care to do them, as far as your saying I should take one next week, no, not right away. I'm planning on doing The Palm at JFK airport, first upscale to ever open in an airport....looking so forward to that. Won't be putting any money out till then.

I do want to add, as once I start (well), when your son grows up and has a girlfriend you don't like, bagering him to break up will result in pushing him towards her, over bearing just doesn't work, everything in moderation and balance does.

Dee, this is nothing personal, just need to spend my life in a more calm non-threating way. I'll visit, just no more battles over an opinion.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/14/2010 03:13PM by Irene_L.A..

I and many others here had a problem with something Dave posted. Dave and I have long since mended fences. If you read here, you will see that. Apparently I might be the only one in that argument of many who has done that, so why you choose to call me out about Dave and I's relationship while not challenging other people here is just you choosing to slight me because you somehow feel I was slighting you.

I haven't until these last two posts, where I am very directly telling you that I could care less about you, your daughter, your jobs, your ex, your younger boyfriend and/or whom you work for, time eternal.

You don't need to worry about my son, Irene. He is fine, he doesn't get badgered, and unlike you, I don't post about his "accomplishments" on public forums the way you post about your daughter, who must be at least my age by now.

As to "common sense", please use what you have not lost, if you can find yours at all.

And enjoy your shops for Freeman. Need a bridge in London? I got one! Oh, and I have a job that pays $52,000 after you visit WU and deposit a check and send the rest onward. LOLOLOLOLOL.



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 08/14/2010 05:09PM by dee shops.

STOP IT !
I know both of you from your postings going on now for a few years and think you are both intelligent ladies.
PM each other with these petty scrabbles so the rest of us are not subjected to it.
Kiss and make up.
That's all I'm saying.

You are right, HB. I'm done. :-)

I seriously intended to leave this thread alone, after the bashing I got, however, I feel it important to inform those with "open minds" that I received a pm from a Freeman shopper informing me he got paid in full, it is a personal decision to continue working for them (they have good jobs), but that information along with the negative should be posted. I am nuetral having never worked for them, so, please don't attack me!!!

Mystery PM'er,... please post here did you get *paid on time*? Or did it take forever and a day and much nagging?

The issue was not whether they would get paid, Irene, so much as WHEN and HOW MUCH NAGGING and PAIN it would take to do so.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/2010 05:56PM by dee shops.

I think it's been established that Freeman pays. The question is; When was the shop and when was the payment. It's the payment timeline that I take issue with.

I guess I also take issue with shoppers who want to add their input added but don't have the courage to post. Come on...it's an anonymous board! You don't have to give your identity away if you don't want to, so why do we have 'heresay' posts?

I'm certainly not bashing you, Irene, but if your friend can PM you, what can't he just post his experience? There little credibility in "My friend told me that he got paid."

dee and I simu-posted, apparently.

Yea, Steve. I don't get the PM thing in this instance, either. If you as a shopper had a good experience, then please come tell us all. My guess is that the payment was still very late, and that is why it was not posted.

But I hope to be proven very wrong....

Mystery PM'er, we know you are reading this. Please come out to play with us and detail your payment situation here. :-)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/2010 06:03PM by dee shops.

Dee...your responses have kept some from posting because they don't want to be attacked, and no it wasn't Steve, and no, he won't come forward due to your response's....so, let it go!! I'm watching my tongue, which takes the fun out of posting.

Irene_L.A. Wrote:
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> Dee...your responses have kept some from posting
> because they don't want to be attacked, and no it
> wasn't Steve, and no, he won't come forward due to
> your response's....so, let it go!! I'm watching
> my tongue, which takes the fun out of posting.


"No it wasn't Steve" means ??????

Irene_L.A. Wrote:
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> I seriously intended to leave this thread alone,
> after the bashing I got, however, I feel it
> important to inform those with "open minds" that I
> received a pm from a Freeman shopper informing me
> he got paid in full, it is a personal decision to
> continue working for them (they have good jobs),
> but that information along with the negative
> should be posted. I am nuetral having never
> worked for them, so, please don't attack me!!!


I'm confused. I guess I've missed something in reading this post. There were a couple of Freeman threads, all discussing Freeman late payments. I thought this controversy was about a Freeman job Irene accepted the 1st week of August, but then, after advice from several forum members, particularly Mickey's integrity post, Irene canceled the job 8/7. Freeman e-mailed her back 8/10 and Irene was reconsidering, but on 8/13, Irene wrote that the shop was now reassigned. Is that the shop we are talking about or another one? If the shop was just assigned to someone on 8/13, the shopper has already done the shop AND been paid and PM'd Irene to say so, that's all pretty fast. That was only a week ago. What job and what payment are we talking about? Or, Irene, is it just some random Freeman shopper who e-mailed you and told you he got paid? That would raise questions about what job, when the job was performed, when payment was promised and when payment was received. Did he specify or just say "I got paid." ??

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/2010 07:38PM by AustinMom.

AM....talking in general about the long wait for pay, not about anything with me. I was saying someone waiting for payment has received it, I was told privately, I thought it good news for all waiting for their payment, to know this shopper is all caught up, that's all.

Irene_L.A. Wrote:
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> AM....talking in general about the long wait for
> pay, not about anything with me. I was saying
> someone waiting for payment has received it, I was
> told privately, I thought it good news for all
> waiting for their payment, to know this shopper is
> all caught up, that's all.


That would be a good reason not to post secondhand info, Irene. He didn't share enough information with you to make it at all useful. I don't think it's good news at all. There's never been any question that, in the past, shoppers who are willing to wait long enough to get paid, have to date gotten paid by Freeman. All any of us know from this anonymous PM you say that you received is that some anonymous shopper shopped at some time for Freeman, waited for his money, however long it might have been, and got paid. Since he is "all caught up," I would say that shopper likely has been smart enough not to take any more shops for Freeman, so Freeman no longer owes them. I don't see this as good news for anyone, whether they are owed money by Freeman or not.

Irene_L.A. Wrote:
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> AM....talking in general about the long wait for
> pay, not about anything with me. I was saying
> someone waiting for payment has received it, I was
> told privately, I thought it good news for all
> waiting for their payment, to know this shopper is
> all caught up, that's all.


I read the key words here as being "waiting for payment." To me, that means anonymous poster was paid later than contract. But perhaps it is not true, and anonymous poster will come forward and share their story of getting paid on time without hassle, should that be the case.

Paid much later than contract, and being I was pm'd, I respect his wanting privacy...if you don't believe it, don't, I could care less, and should have listened to my first instincts and kept quiet.

I believe it. Irene, I just don't see that this added to the conversation. Everyone here already knows that this is Freeman's modus operandi...suck someone in, and pay late and with painful effort on the shopper's part. (until their clients wise up and go elsewere, when they may stop paying at all.) Your initial post made it sound like someone actually got paid on time, when in the end, its all the same old same old.

Irene_L.A. Wrote:
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> Paid much later than contract, and being I was
> pm'd, I respect his wanting privacy...if you don't
> believe it, don't, I could care less, and should
> have listened to my first instincts and kept
> quiet.


I agree. If you were PM'd, revealing the contents of the PM violates the privacy of the person who communicated with you, even if you have not revealed his identity. And, because you have now revealed he was paid much later than contract, it merely confirms the previous negative posts regarding late payment and adds absolutely nothing but an additional black mark. I don't see the purpose of your post. It did nothing but prolong an argument that was over.

I believe by now it should have become ingrained into the MS DNA that Freeman pays, but extremely slowly. Unless anecdotal evidence is presented to dispute those facts, all further discussion is somewhat redundant. Perhaps something more useful would be to just provide empirical data documenting when an assignment was completed and when payment was received, with or without prompting. That way we could discern any logical pattern and then discuss the "squeaky wheel" theory.

I receive PMs from members who are intimidated or who believe their post will unleash a verbal torrent. These members don't want to engage but appreciate what the forum can offer. They choose to participate privately. Infrequently, if contents of their PM is something I feel should be shared, I'll run it by them, and scrub it pretty good before posting. Hearsay, yes. As with any post, the reader decides what weight to give it.

Same here, Mert. And it is pretty sad when folks feel they can't even post a, "Me too!" to a thread without being accused of being a 'one post wonder' out to "get" a particular MSP.

lame1 Wrote:
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> I believe by now it should have become ingrained
> into the MS DNA that Freeman pays, but extremely
> slowly. Unless anecdotal evidence is presented to
> dispute those facts, all further discussion is
> somewhat redundant. Perhaps something more useful
> would be to just provide empirical data
> documenting when an assignment was completed and
> when payment was received, with or without
> prompting. That way we could discern any logical
> pattern and then discuss the "squeaky wheel"
> theory.


Agreed. :-)