When they absolutely, positively, will NOT pay you....
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Wine, who are the MSCs?
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@winemaker wrote:
or do I just write off the cost, travel, and amount spent as a "bad debt"...
This is not a "bad debt" issue. What you have here are costs of doing business. Simple expenses which presumably you booked as expenses when you incurred them. You can't claim then twice.
However, the fee that you charged your customer may be chargeable as a bad debt assuming that you have made proper efforts at collecting and you properly recorded the revenue back when the service was rendered.
If you want to impact your customers, what you might be able to do is file a form 1099 on them reporting the bad debt which is a cost to you as income to them.
You have to determine the type of debt involved then determine the State your claim would be filed in. From there determine the States Statute of Limitations along with allowed damages.
Most likely it's better to write it off as a loss against your income.
Most likely it's better to write it off as a loss against your income.
My posts are solely based on my opinions and for my entertainment, contact a professional if you need real advice.
When you get in debt you become a slave. - Andrew Jackson
When you get in debt you become a slave. - Andrew Jackson
R.-thanks for that....I suppose I can only write off the fee, because it truly is a receivable, and not a reimbursement.....
Probably not. It just does not appear as income, so is not taxed. It is not a deduction.
Based in MD, near DC
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
Wouldn't an expected payment, not paid, be written off as a loss? The actions were performed based on an expected compensation. Our time and effort also have a value.
@walesmaven wrote:
Probably not. It just does not appear as income, so is not taxed. It is not a deduction.
My posts are solely based on my opinions and for my entertainment, contact a professional if you need real advice.
When you get in debt you become a slave. - Andrew Jackson
When you get in debt you become a slave. - Andrew Jackson
Nope.
Based in MD, near DC
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
Shopping from the Carolinas to New York
Have video cam; will travel
Poor customer service? Don't get mad; get video.
Since this thread is under the MS Company Discussion, wouldn't it make sense for the OP to actually name the two MSCs in question? When people make vague posts in here, I am very skeptical. Doesn't it seem strange to anyone else that the OP would have two different MSCs not pay him/her? How does the OP know that the reports were used and sent to both clients? Something doesn't seem right here. Just sayin'.
@isaiah58 wrote:
Wouldn't an expected payment, not paid, be written off as a loss? The actions were performed based on an expected compensation. Our time and effort also have a value.
@walesmaven wrote:
Probably not. It just does not appear as income, so is not taxed. It is not a deduction.
isaiah58, It depends on the accounting method employed. Had the original fee been booked as income when the service was provided (thus generating tax liability at the time), then it can be reversed now as a bad debt (assuming reasonable efforts have been made to collect it.) If, however, the anticipated revenue was not recorded at the time of service then, as walesmaven suggests, you cannot write it off.
Likewise, if the expenses to perform the service were taken as expenses at the time they were incurred (as is normal) then they cannot be taken again. If they were not expensed at the time, then they still cannot be taken as a bad debt write off; take them as expenses.
And of course the standard disclaimer: consult a real tax advisor.
More detail would be needed before anyone can make a judgment call. They would most likely claim your report was not useable and how would you prove that it was. We are judged differently by different MSC's. Its a moving target because what one client does not want to see, another is requesting! LOL
Sybil...your innuendo is disrespectful, and I take offense. The reason why I did not mention the two MSC's is that I wanted to get advice (in general) and not blast those MSC's. Geez...geta grip!
@winemaker wrote:
I cannot see going through with small claims court cases against the two MSC's who, over the last five years, have not paid me for legit, accepted, "passed through to the client" shops..claims route uses too much time and is too expensive (or do I ask the court for 'penalties') .....or do I just write off the cost, travel, and amount spent as a "bad debt"...How long should I hold on to the data and file? I know I am not supposed to contact the 'client', but damn! I'm tempted!
Why are you waiting five years to even bring this issue up? How do you know that the reports were accepted and "passed through to the client?" Who is claiming that the "route uses too much time and is too expensive?" The client, the MSC, you? If you contact the client and the MSC finds out, you could be on the other end of a lawsuit.
Happy Holidays!
@winemaker wrote:
Sybil...your innuendo is disrespectful, and I take offense. The reason why I did not mention the two MSC's is that I wanted to get advice (in general) and not blast those MSC's. Geez...geta grip!
Happy Holidays to you too!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/27/2016 10:11PM by Sybil2.
Wow! Here's another winner in the group.
@LeslieKay111, since I am not in middle school, I am not trying to win a popularity contest. I can already tell that you will not like my style so I suggest that you toggle me. It would be much appreciated. Peace out!
Leslie, Syb brings up some valid points on why the OP waited over 5 years, that does seem odd. And how does anyone know for sure if they are denied payment and a report is still used? Where's the proof in that? Sybil's just not the type to walk on eggshells and is never, ever afraid of hurting someone's feelings. Best to leave it alone, LK.
@LeslieKay111, nice positive contribution to the forum for a "newbie." I see shades of a returning T. I'm sure that you have already heard about me. I have been forwarded some of the infamous and amusing PMs. I find it sad that some people have all this free time to stalk people on the forum. 
JASFLAMT- Thanks I appreciate your advice but I can't stand rude and ignorant people. Like I said if you have nothing positive to add just shut up and move on. I am most certainly not scared of mystery shopping bullies. I don't care if she has excellent points, that's not the problem...There are alot of people in this forum, not just her, so yes you do have to be concerned with hurting other peoples feelings. There is a way to say things. Not caring about others feelings? really? That is how we survive as a human race, when you don't you are labeled a sociopath.
I always feel sorry for the people that have to live with someone like this..Their kids, their family... I would just never set out with the attitude that I don't care about other people. How ignorant is that? She has alienated other people from commenting their thoughts and questions in the feeds. A few of these people have PM'd me. Everyone should be free to ask whatever they like (within the rules, of course). Already in a week I've seen 2 rude bullies. That is really a shame and I'm sure not what this forum was trying to promote by starting this nice place in the first place.
Don't you have moderators?
I always feel sorry for the people that have to live with someone like this..Their kids, their family... I would just never set out with the attitude that I don't care about other people. How ignorant is that? She has alienated other people from commenting their thoughts and questions in the feeds. A few of these people have PM'd me. Everyone should be free to ask whatever they like (within the rules, of course). Already in a week I've seen 2 rude bullies. That is really a shame and I'm sure not what this forum was trying to promote by starting this nice place in the first place.
Don't you have moderators?
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[Repeat all verses]
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Brown paper packages tied up with strings
These are a few of my favorite things
Cream colored ponies and crisp apple streudels
Doorbells and sleigh bells and schnitzel with noodles
Wild geese that fly with the moon on their wings
These are a few of my favorite things
Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes
Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes
Silver white winters that melt into springs
These are a few of my favorite things
When the dog bites
When the bee stings
When I'm feeling sad
I simply remember my favorite things
And then I don't feel so bad
[Repeat all verses]
@LeslieKay111 I get what you are trying to say. However, this is the Internet. Tonal inflection is lost, miscommunications happen, and people get rude.
When @winemaker found @Sybil2's original questions to be offensive she handled that quite well. There was no need to come to her rescue. The insult slinging wouldn't have happened if you hadn't gone there with Sybil. Practice what you're preaching.
Sybil has a direct and sometimes abrasive style. I have bristled at things she's said too, but I don't expect to agree with everyone or have everyone agree with me. If I did, I would not be on any forum, anywhere!
When @winemaker found @Sybil2's original questions to be offensive she handled that quite well. There was no need to come to her rescue. The insult slinging wouldn't have happened if you hadn't gone there with Sybil. Practice what you're preaching.
Sybil has a direct and sometimes abrasive style. I have bristled at things she's said too, but I don't expect to agree with everyone or have everyone agree with me. If I did, I would not be on any forum, anywhere!
Beautifully said, N-TownShopper.
Don't make mountains out of molehills. If you participate on an internet forum and you "can't stand rude and ignorant people" and you want them to "just shut up and move on if they have nothing positive to add," keep that clearly in mind when you make your posts. Your post added nothing positive. It's easy to get offended by the posts of others but many may well be offended by your posts.
Don't make mountains out of molehills. If you participate on an internet forum and you "can't stand rude and ignorant people" and you want them to "just shut up and move on if they have nothing positive to add," keep that clearly in mind when you make your posts. Your post added nothing positive. It's easy to get offended by the posts of others but many may well be offended by your posts.
The world needs Sybil type people. I for one have had so much sugar coated BS lately that I think I got Diabetes. Sybil fan here
"Never believe anything you read on the internet"- Abraham Lincoln
I gotta like any post by someone with the word "pee" in their name. 
I agree with all the sugar-coating out there. So many forum members complain about all their illnesses and disabilities, some of which are diabetic. So I guess in a roundabout way, I am helping to prevent or control diabetes.
BTW, I am 99.5% sure that I have never told any forum member to "shut up." We all have the right to our opinions. I just disagree and choose to ignore some of those opinions. In all fairness, I encourage some people to do the same with my posts. But that suggestion seems to have sent the "new" forum member, LK over the edge. Can't in them all!
I agree with all the sugar-coating out there. So many forum members complain about all their illnesses and disabilities, some of which are diabetic. So I guess in a roundabout way, I am helping to prevent or control diabetes.
BTW, I am 99.5% sure that I have never told any forum member to "shut up." We all have the right to our opinions. I just disagree and choose to ignore some of those opinions. In all fairness, I encourage some people to do the same with my posts. But that suggestion seems to have sent the "new" forum member, LK over the edge. Can't in them all!
@LeslieKay111 wrote:
Already in a week I've seen 2 rude bullies. That is really a shame and I'm sure not what this forum was trying to promote by starting this nice place in the first place.
Don't you have moderators?
We do have moderators. One of your posts was moderated. Your other posts in this thread are getting lighter and smaller, so other forum members are giving your posts a thumbs-down.
I was sympathetic when you felt you were being followed by another poster. I get what you are trying to say, but your perception is not everyone's perception and you don't speak for the rest of us. I'm sorry you feel you've seen two rude bullies, but the forum is trying to promote a nice place and most of us think overall it's doing a good job. We don't need angry, abusive posts pointing fingers.
@LeslieKay111 wrote:
Mod note: Inappropriate post removed
Please leave me alone. I do not know you or care about your opinion of me. If you don't like my comments then just disregard them. Happy Holidays!
Okay, LK, so you let Canada Mommy get under your skin and I think it distorted your perception of Sybil. Don't get CM and Sybil confused as they are nothing alike.
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