Has anyone watched the Netflix show Making a Murderer? I can't wrap my head around it! I definitely think he's guilty (based on info learned outside of the "documentary" but there are several things I can't reconcile! What's the deal with the key?! And the bones!! I need to discuss and my husband refuses to watch it!!

I think there was a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense if he's guilty:
-Why was there no DNA on the key except Avery's?
-Why did it take so long to find the key that was allegedly in clear view on the floor?
-How come there are bones off in the quarry far away from the other two burn sites?
-Why is there so much of Theresa's blood in her car if they killed her on Avery's property?
-Where is all the blood and evidence of a crime at Avery's if he killed her there?
-Why does the blood from Avery's previous case look like it's been tampered with?
-How did that kid get interrogated by himself without a lawyer or even a parent present so many times?

And a lot that doesn't make sense if he's innocent:
-Why is his DNA inside her car? If it was planted, why doesn't it have the preservative agent that is supposed to be in the blood sample
-How did her DNA get on the bullet they found (from Avery's gun according to sources outside the doc) in Avery's garage/shed?
-Why did he call her 3 times that day (twice with a *67 blocked number) and specifically request her that day (according to sources outside the doc)?
-How could someone else have gotten her bones onto two different places on his property without him noticing?
-He was the last person to see her alive. Her car was found on his property with her blood in it. Her bones were found in a burn pit a few feet from his house.

There are probably more I'm not remembering right now. To me it seems like the police frame up doesn't totally make sense. And the "oh, he totally did it" theory doesn't make sense either. Maybe he knows who did it and is protecting them? But he's squawking pretty loudly about being innocent. I don't know... nothing makes sense.

Who deleted her voice mail messages, why and what was the content of the messages? If the killing and assault took place in the house in the bedroom, why wasn't there any of her DNA there? I am with you, I can't say either way but there are a lot of unanswered questions. The kid being questioned with no representative or parent is crazy. Then again a lot of it was video taped so maybe they thought they were doing the right thing and not violating any rights.

Yes! Yes! Yes!! So many things just don't make sense! The things that I kept coming back to (that makes me fairly certain he's guilty) were 1) The graphic drawings and conversations he had in prison about making a prison chamber once he got out to do... well... the very things that happened. 2) He bought the shackles a couple weeks before this happened. 3) In their little family compound how did NO ONE see anyone come or go when the bones were planted.

BUT THE DNA!! How was there ZERO DNA from her in the garage or bedroom?!?

If I were to guess, I would suspect he's guilty but the events did not happen as the kid confessed. The killing must have taken place somewhere else. I just find it so hard to believe that they wouldn't be able to find a single piece of DNA where the events happened in the house.

There is so much was not in that "documentary". Channel 6 Milwaukee has put all their archived news on line for a day by day synopsis of the whole trial. He had an sick obsession with that poor girl.
If these people did a "documentary" on Hitler he would come off as a lonely, misunderstood, patriotic German that was just trying to make Germany a better place and the people around him did everything behind his back.

I think that Bobby (Brendan's brother?) may have done it. His statements against Steven Avery contained lies and he had access to the property. He seemed creepy to me.

Did you see the interview that his ex fiancee just did? Apparently he threatened to kill her several times over the course of their relationship. There was at least one documented altercation between them that the police were involved in.

I haven't seen the interview... interesting. The letters he wrote to her from jail were pretty creeptacular, so I'm not that surprised.

Yeah and he wrote similar ones to his ex-wife too. Threatening to kill her if she didn't bring the kids to see him. So many questions about the specifics but I still think he's guilty.

Those letters were horrible, I agree. I just watched the interview, though, and don't find her remotely believable. She is inconsistent, not only with what she said in the past, but within the interview. I feel like she is just trying to make herself look good. This isn't to say I don't believe that any of what she says is true. I just think that there are a lot of lies mixed in there.

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I don't know if Avery's innocent (I lean a bit more towards yes than no), but I do not think that the guilty verdict is justified in the least. He was not proven to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt- not even close.

@CaliGirl925 wrote:

-Why is his DNA inside her car? If it was planted, why doesn't it have the preservative agent that is supposed to be in the blood sample
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The test the FBI developed and conducted should have been inadmissible for one simple reason: there was no control to compare the results against! As in, they didn't test against an actual sample from the vial, buffered in the same way as the car samples would have been, to show that EDTA would be detected with that test if present. That is absolutely insane. Without a control, it's not science. Without a control, we have no idea what level (or ratio) of EDTA would have had to be present to be detected by the test.

Coast to Coast AM is devoting the entire 4 hours on Saturday night to this. You can listen on line or on your local radio. First 2 hours will be the pro Avery, next hour rebuttal, 4th hour a Serial Killer did it.

I have got to watch this.

I need to see this, too,.

I don't know if he's guilty of this murder, nor do I care, but he's definitely not innocent. Look at his rap sheet, the stuff that happened before the wrongful conviction.
That's a foul, abusive creature not a human being. Why should anyone prevent him from spending the rest of his life behind bars? He will most likely go on to hurt someone else.

I really tried to watch this series. I love, love, love true crime stuff (Dateline, 20/20, 48 hours, Disappeared) and love true crime books (Ann Rule rules!), but I could not get into this series. I watched the first two episodes. It seems like they could have condensed this into a couple episodes. I later read where his girlfriend Jodi admitted to lying to Netflix because Avery threatened her. Not sure what to believe at this point, but I'm not wasting any more time on the series. Too slow-moving, too many videotaped interviews.

That's what really bothers me, where is the DNA and why was so little found? Mr. Avery was no Lex Luther or Hannibal Lector, can't imagine him knowing all the tricks of killing someone without getting caught. There's plenty of "Reasonable Doubt" for Brandon, I think another family member might have been involved. They said one of Steve's brothers got in trouble for sexually molesting a young girl, why was that left out of the documentary? Brandon and Stephen are not sophisticated, that's where things fall apart on the State's case for me personally.


The State never was going to pay $25-$35 Million in damages and how magically convenient all men were cleared of wrongdoing paying out just enough to buy him a decent legal team. I don't believe this was just good fortune falling upon a proven corrupt group of men who lied about Steve when he was young. If he did commit this murder don't you think all the time he spent behind bars should be applied to "Brandon" or "Steve" himself? Now everyone is attacking the directors because they don't like what this implies about the Police.