Still confused over Exxon pumps
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I just take photos, back and front, of every pump. I either make sure the pump number is visible in the photo, or I number them in the notes I take. I have had them come back and ask for additional photos, and I've always had the photos available because of having photos of every pump.
I don't know if this helps answer your question!
I don't know if this helps answer your question!
Here is what you should do:
All pumps under the main canopy need to be photographed and should be evaluated as described. Although the guidelines go further, stating that non-Exxon/Mobil branded diesel pumps under the main canopy need not be evaluated, photograph and evaluate them anyway.
Why? Because the editor's think all diesel pumps under the main canopy are more than likely Exxon/Mobil branded pumps. Let them make that decision.
Next, if there are any gasoline pumps not under the main canopy, you should photograph and evaluate them. Do not bother with other fuel types not under the main canopy - only gasoline types matter. However, as a matter of practice and for my own sanity, I take a quick photo of each one and of their location. Often, the editor will question their location and why they were not evaluated. Also, make sure you note in the comment section on the report that they are not under the main canopy.
Last of all, if you are new and have never done the site, be sure to check everywhere for pumps. Sometimes, there is a kerosene, racing gas, fuel oil pump, etc located at the side or back of the building. I once did not see a kerosene pump because a large box truck had parked in front of it. it was behind the building. I lost the shop because I didn't see it.
All pumps under the main canopy need to be photographed and should be evaluated as described. Although the guidelines go further, stating that non-Exxon/Mobil branded diesel pumps under the main canopy need not be evaluated, photograph and evaluate them anyway.
Why? Because the editor's think all diesel pumps under the main canopy are more than likely Exxon/Mobil branded pumps. Let them make that decision.
Next, if there are any gasoline pumps not under the main canopy, you should photograph and evaluate them. Do not bother with other fuel types not under the main canopy - only gasoline types matter. However, as a matter of practice and for my own sanity, I take a quick photo of each one and of their location. Often, the editor will question their location and why they were not evaluated. Also, make sure you note in the comment section on the report that they are not under the main canopy.
Last of all, if you are new and have never done the site, be sure to check everywhere for pumps. Sometimes, there is a kerosene, racing gas, fuel oil pump, etc located at the side or back of the building. I once did not see a kerosene pump because a large box truck had parked in front of it. it was behind the building. I lost the shop because I didn't see it.
Good advice from French Farmer.
The guidelines say that all E/M pumps under the canopy should be evaluated and a picture taken. This includes diesel and alternate if they are E/M. Non branded located anywhere need not be evaluated or a picture taken.
However, if in doubt, take the picture even if you don't need to use it. A trip back to the station can ruin your day.
The guidelines say that all E/M pumps under the canopy should be evaluated and a picture taken. This includes diesel and alternate if they are E/M. Non branded located anywhere need not be evaluated or a picture taken.
However, if in doubt, take the picture even if you don't need to use it. A trip back to the station can ruin your day.
@mystery2me wrote:
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Here is where I am confused. The most recent update states, "If pumps/fueling positions are not under a canopy, they should only be evaluated for POP elements if they are standard ExxonMobil fuel (diesel/etc. are not to be included)." What the heck does that mean? Okay, for sure, Exxon-branded gas pumps not under the canopy should be photographed and evaluated for POP. But what about Exxon branded diesel-only pumps not under the canopy?
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Seems very clear to me. It says pumps not under the canopy should only be evaluated if they are standard EM fuel. Then it goes on to specifically say diesel should not he included. That specifically addresses your very question.
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@bgriffin wrote:
@mystery2me wrote:
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Seems very clear to me. It says pumps not under the canopy should only be evaluated if they are standard EM fuel. Then it goes on to specifically say diesel should not he included. That specifically addresses your very question.
bgriffin,
You are probably confusing the OP. This is a quote on pg 11 of the Quarter 3 update letter: "If Exxon Mobil branded Diesel is located under the main Exxon or Mobil canopy, then it is to be evaluated the same as all other pumps for pump condition as well as POP." This is new for this quarter and I have been including any diesel under the canopy in my evaluation, although this is not common as most of the diesel pumps are part of the regular pumps.
That was not the OPs question. The question was what about EM branded diesel only pumps not under the canopy. That question was clearly answered by the quoted part of the guidelines.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/25/2016 07:35PM by bgriffin.
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At the moment only demons come to mind
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/25/2016 07:35PM by bgriffin.
OK, I re-read the OP and I guess I'm confused over all the confusion.
It is confusing
There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
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Many MS'ers needlessly make things more complicated and confusing. Why is that?
@Sybil2 wrote:
Many MS'ers needlessly make things more complicated and confusing. Why is that?
The ambiguity of the statement "standard ExxonMobil fuel (diesel/etc. are not to be included)" causes confusion for some. IMO the "standard fuel" would be gasoline.
However.........
IMO, if the MS'er has experience in performing these shops, sometimes they will get an editor who will cause the confusion by asking the MS to submit a picture of what they perceive to be omitted, to be something it is not or just being plain persnickety or overly anal.
Having had this occur often enough, I just roll my eyes and submit a photo.
You think the diesel pump is an E/M branded pump when clearly the pump says it is not, here's your pic. Where is the pic of the attendant? Reread the report that was marked, the attendant refused to have their photo taken.
Where's the restroom pic? Again, go back and reread the report that states there is no public restroom.
Like I stated in my first comment for your (my) own sanity, take pics of things you don't think you should have to. It doesn't take that long or use up that much space in your device's memory. Make comments in the comment section even though you shouldn't need to.
haven't done these in a few months, but got a few planned for today? anything new on the reports?
Tons of stuff has changed in the past few months. I hope you have an updated and detailed cheat sheet. Good luck!@jay225 wrote:
haven't done these in a few months, but got a few planned for today? anything new on the reports?
@jay225 wrote:
haven't done these in a few months, but got a few planned for today? anything new on the reports?
I take it, you don't want to read the "new" guidelines, to avoid missing something.
Well, then don't forget the part of the report that tells you what to do it You see an illegal transaction taken place.
It applies to diesel pumps for large trucks and off road use. Those usually are off to the side and has no canopy as the trucks might hit them or a very high canopy 16 feet or higher. I have seen other brands that have these pumps mark with their logos and insignias but they are separate pumps and do not incorporate gasoline or ethanol on these pumps.
I hope that the MSC is paying you well for that revealed audit. When I added up add the time and effort and extra report detail they don't even pay a quarter of what it is worth. Then on top of that, 15 days later they may decide that pictures you sent may not suit the client. No thanks, I will stick with the MSC's and clients that I can actually make money and not get beat up in the process.
In general, I have learned that it is not a good idea to accept shops which are so far away that I would not be reasonably willing to go back to take another photograph. I did a large route of shops that began two hours from me, and ended two hours from me. It made sense as a route in terms of time and mileage, but when I had to go back to redo one location (they would not accept the standard definition of dusk or Google's time for dusk on a certain day at one location), I was not happy about going back. I only did it when I was told that if I didn't, I would be permanently barred from any shops with that particular brand of gas. It was not E/M, but another one of their clients. I have done some E/M bonused shops, and now assume that 10% of the time, I will have to return. It is not really that high for me, but it is easy to add a 10% contingency fee to what I want to be paid, and over time it works out well for me monetarily and psychologically.
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