But if you look at the first post in this new thread, it’s not me. (So to speak). So it makes no sense to put me as the thread starter. I was just the one that said more of the unacceptable opinion.
Two of us were singled out because of our opinions in the thread. (It’s possible we have very different reasons, and politics, etc, idk, but all the same unacceptable).
Like I said to the moderator in the original one, there are lots of posts of people in that thread talking about schools and triggers and non-shopping things that didn’t get moved. So it was not a matter of not talking about shopping.
Anyway, I’m not happy and I’m going to post here now but I’m not sure about continuing with this forum.
Shop et Al: I actually have v different views on that. Heterosexual couples don’t keep their heterosexuality a secret and do throw it in people’s faces, so I don’t think homosexuals need to hide either. That was the original meaning behind “Pride” My issue is that “gender” isn’t a sexual preference, that trans rights activism specifically is harmful to women and children, and like tanischri said, this is very new. Therefore it is a social phenomenon, it’s not just a matter of who people are. People with prejudice against gays and lesbians used to say that homosexuals would try to turn straight people gay. Now we have a phenomenon where that actually is happening: turning children and young people “transgender.”
I can tell you that in the 70’s/‘80’s in high school I was friends with a lot of people who were the so-called weirdos, the outcasts, troubled kids, and also the more radical and different kids, the LGB kids, and was in different youth groups where kids talked about everything happening in their lives, and I did not hear one single female say they were triggered by being referred, in the third person, as “she.” (Nor did I hear any male say they were born in the wrong body which was a very small group of males so that I did not know any) This included girls talking about rape, talking about hating men catcalling them, etc. Same goes for college etc. It’s new; it is not at all like sexual orientation—gays and lesbians have always existed and can be found in writings from Ancient Greece and before, etc. It’s a trend, it’s abusive to women for all the reasons I gave above in my other posts, and it’s a lie. Sex can’t be changed. Sex is noted at birth, no one is “assigned” anything, except for the fact that females are assigned negative qualities to go go with their sex and females positive qualities. Trans rights activists say that if you don’t abide with stereotypes, you’re not actually your sex. This isn’t smashing stereotypes or smashing “the gender binary,” it’s reifying them. If you look at any “transgender”organization around the globe, or any definition anywhere, it is full of stereotypes like clothes and presentation. A 12 year-old “tomboy” is now an actual boy. A man who has long hair (yes, hair is on the list) could be considered to be under the “trans umbrella.”
Another way to see that it’s a trend is to look at not just the numbers, but the sex of kids referred to “gender identity” clinics. The numbers used to be small and it was something like 90% boys and 10% girls. (Gender dysphoria is real, but it is pretty specific and was never a fad and was primarily experienced by boys). Now the numbers have shot up and it’s 90% female and 10% male. This is not gender dysphoria (which is best treated without telling a boy he’s really a girl) but a social phenomenon like eating disorders and cutting. It’s a social phenomenon that is especially affecting ore-lesbians and young lesbians. You can actually see photos of teenage girls with mastectomy scars who also have scars from self-harm/cutting. It is one of the most tragic sights I have witnessed. Their surgeons saw those self-harm scars and said “I’ll help you cut for real with a scalpel.” They should lose their licenses and be sent to jail if not hung like after the Neuremberg trials for experimenting on children and mentally unstable young adults who cannot consent to this surgery. Also, if you look at kids who traditionally suffered from gender dysphoria and were treated with talk therapy or just weren’t told they were actually “trans” and given time to deal with it, the vast majority “desisted,” or no longer had the dysphoria or thought they were the opposite sex once they passed puberty or reached adulthood or early 20’s. AND only 1% of them, when asked after desisting, said they were heterosexual. (The others were gay/lesbian orb”other” which I assumed was “I don’t know” and bisexual). So after worrying about gay conversion therapy, many liberals are now actively promoting it. Except that when children go on puberty blockers, nearly all continue to full cross-sex hormones and don’t “desist.” And they are then infertile and have a host of medical issues and side effects. So it’s gay conversion therapy with sterilization and medical harm. There was a workshop at a conference called “smashing the cotton ceiling.” The cotton? The underwear of lesbians. The workshop was on how males who identified as trans could get lesbians to have sex with them. That is gay conversion therapy via rape.
And the trend is growing: while the numbers of those children and young adults being medicalized is increasing drastically, the numbers of those just saying they identify as trans or “non-binary” have gone up even faster. Except that it’s in certain schools, and can be seen spreading as soon as a few kids identify that way. Demonstrating again that it’s a social phenomenon.
This trend is only being pushed back via activism: feminist and some other activism around the world (we are more behind here in this country). So activism per se isn’t the problem imo. (I am an activist by inclination and former profession, but from when activism meant actually attacking real problems and winning real solutions).
@BirdyC wrote:
I think this was moved to general chat when it became more a discussion of roles, preferred pronouns, etc., than of shopping. So, @Notme2021, I don't think you were singled out as having started the thread. I think, and I could be wrong, that your post was probably just judged the starting point of the divergent discussion.
I, for one, am glad that it didn't get shut down, since some people seemed to want that to happen. I find this an enlightening conversation and a learning one. Never a bad thing.