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July 14, 2025 12:12PM
If Citizenship is not to be determined by the place of your birth, what other method do you suggest?
I've been thinking on this one.
I am related, by marriage, to someone from the local Oneida Indian tribe.
A person is considered to be a citizen of the Oneida Nation if at least one of their mother's parents is a citizen.
I don't know for sure, but presumably you would have to present your own birth certificate, your mother's IDcertificate and her parents ID/certificate as well.
Could this be problematic? What if you were adopted out? what if you are estranged from your mother or her parents? how would you prove your linkage?
Just thinking out loud and curious about alternatives to birthright citizenship.

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July 14, 2025 12:17PM
Restricted birthright citizenship, where birthright citizenship is granted under specific conditions. These conditions often involve the parents' legal residency status or require the child to live in the country for a specific duration. No "birthright vacation" visits.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/14/2025 12:19PM by maverick1.
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July 14, 2025 01:44PM
<<FYI, carriage returns for paragraphs are welcomed.>>

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July 15, 2025 04:14AM
@BarefootBliss - I know a lot of people with Native American ancestry. Many of them used census records to prove their lineage and/or citizenship, especially when they did not have a birth certificate or did not have a certified one.
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July 15, 2025 10:14AM
purple, that's interesting and makes sense.
I can see how lineage could potentially become problematic if you don't have your own records or certain records....

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July 17, 2025 10:05PM
My husband's twin siblings are now worried about this. At least, the one living in the United States. They were both born in a military hospital on a military base in France. Military bases up until this TACO administration took office were considered American soil. Now he is worried about his immigration status. I told him the other day, he voted for this. This is what he wanted. Isn't that what the Press Secretary likes to remind us.
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July 17, 2025 10:11PM
@maverick1 wrote:

Restricted birthright citizenship, where birthright citizenship is granted under specific conditions. These conditions often involve the parents' legal residency status or require the child to live in the country for a specific duration. No "birthright vacation" visits.

FYI, carriage returns for paragraphs are welcomed.

I agree with the stance on "Birthright Vacations." Having a child born in the United States does offer perks. While working in Seattle, Microsoft employees would often bring their families over prior to late-term pregnancies, when it was unsafe to travel home and have their babies there. Not because they wanted to live here, but because the healthcare better, and that golden passport they would leave with. It was encouraged by management and the company as a whole.
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July 18, 2025 02:45AM
I am curious as to what other countries those Microsoft employees were from?

Speaking of the perks of US citizenship, lol - here's one I keep in mind whenever I am spending time outside the US.
The US is one of only two known countries in the world that taxes its citizens on worldwide income. The other? Eritrea and Eritrea only charges a 2% tax on those expats.

We pay for it lol.

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July 18, 2025 04:49AM
Speaking of Microsoft...they laid off about 9,000 employees recently and it was barely found in the news. Meanwhile, the State Department laid off about 1,000 employees and it's front page news all over the place?

(Full disclosure, we've owned MS stock for decades.)
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@Dino29 wrote:

@maverick1 wrote:

Restricted birthright citizenship, where birthright citizenship is granted under specific conditions. These conditions often involve the parents' legal residency status or require the child to live in the country for a specific duration. No "birthright vacation" visits.

FYI, carriage returns for paragraphs are welcomed.

I agree with the stance on "Birthright Vacations." Having a child born in the United States does offer perks. While working in Seattle, Microsoft employees would often bring their families over prior to late-term pregnancies, when it was unsafe to travel home and have their babies there. Not because they wanted to live here, but because the healthcare better, and that golden passport they would leave with. It was encouraged by management and the company as a whole.


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