My bartender checked i.d. but ABC said it was brothers and height was off.Everything else matched!
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The bartender did the right thing....just don't serve the guy with his brothers I.D. Not sure what the problem is....
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No she got sent home and said she couldn't serve. They were ABC agents, it was a sting. Even though she carded him she may still have to be fired they said because the height was off. I feel it was entrapment.
These are questions for an attorney.
The guy was pretending to be his older brother. She thought it was his id it looked just like him so she served him a beer.
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I figured that, just thought someone might have some insight. Thank you.
It is illegal to use someone else's ID. If anyone should get in trouble it's the kid with the ID. Does his brother know he took it? If not, then identity theft, maybe? Or impersonating someone else. If the brother knew, then he's on the hook too.
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It is illegal to use someone else's ID. If anyone should get in trouble it's the kid with the ID. Does his brother know he took it? If not, then identity theft, maybe? Or impersonating someone else. If the brother knew, then he's on the hook too.
Harmony said they were ABC agents and it was a sting. The agents in the sting would not be in trouble.
I'm thinking it was the agent using his brothers ID to trap the bartender. At least I think that is what Harmony is trying to say.
It sounds like we might not be getting the whole story. Actually, maybe Harmony's friend is embarrassed and Harmony didn't get the whole story.
Harmony, we are mystery shoppers and this is posted in mystery shopping discussion. I don't see how this relates to mystery shopping.
I was thinking that -- I was sitting here wondering what on earth I had stumbled into to read.... I was expecting a story about how a bartender refused to serve someone alcohol on a mystery shop. Negative. 0_o btw, I'm now 29 and have aged out of a lot of compliance shops :'(
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This reminds me of years ago when my daughter was 17, before MADD became a reality, she confessed to me 20 years later, "Mom I had a fake I.D"., didn't drink, but allowed me to get into the Pavillion's Friday night dances, where the cute guys were, everyone had them....this is taking it to a new level....oh yes, my daughter turned out fine. The height thing, how would bartender know, he was sitting down?
edited to add: Bars weren't responsible for accidents happening then after one left the bar, an easier time.....
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edited to add: Bars weren't responsible for accidents happening then after one left the bar, an easier time.....
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I'm not sure how I ended up on this forum I googled the topic at hand and saw a familiar question here. But to answer your questions. It was an agent with the fake i.d. (older brothers i.d.) and the only ding she did get was that the height was off. Full story . We are contacting lawyers who say this is a strong defense, and her bosses have her back as well. The agents even said if it wasn't her it would be the other bartender. Thank you for your time, I can't figure out how to delete this thread.
It seems like the bartender should have been able to spot a fake ID, especially if the presenter was an agent of the sting. The bartender looked at the ID, a not the person. What we (the OP) observed was what it felt the bartender should do, but looking at a ID is not all the bartender is supposed to do.
Wrong forum for this, but.....
This sounds like a case of entrapment to me. Such stings are meant to catch bartenders who don't check for identification or who are so sloppy with it they miss clear differences. No bartender is expected to measure a customer's height or weight. Fingerprinting is not a part of checking I.D. Now, if one brother was 6'6" and the other 4'6", there might be a case.... Otherwise, these agents are just looking to bust a good person.
This sounds like a case of entrapment to me. Such stings are meant to catch bartenders who don't check for identification or who are so sloppy with it they miss clear differences. No bartender is expected to measure a customer's height or weight. Fingerprinting is not a part of checking I.D. Now, if one brother was 6'6" and the other 4'6", there might be a case.... Otherwise, these agents are just looking to bust a good person.
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What is an ABC agent??
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I'd be surprised to find they'd send an ABC Agent out for one infraction, they had to be watching this bartender for awhile. Who would call an Agent if not the owner. She may in big trouble.....
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I always thought that was part of the ATF.
I just looked it up. #themoreyouknow
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I just looked it up. #themoreyouknow
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ATF is more concerned with illegal business transactions, ABC more concerned with end user transactions.
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ATF is Federal, ABC State.
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I think our shops are supposed to determine whether or not they asked for ID not whether the ID is valid.
When I bounced, there were very easy issues with IDs you could identify. Such as the only place on the whole ID that the plastic was damaged was over the year of birth, or the picture didn't even look remotely like the person presenting it.
If the race or gender is incorrect and they were served, I could see they have a case. If the height was the only issue, it's not my place to judge.
When I bounced, there were very easy issues with IDs you could identify. Such as the only place on the whole ID that the plastic was damaged was over the year of birth, or the picture didn't even look remotely like the person presenting it.
If the race or gender is incorrect and they were served, I could see they have a case. If the height was the only issue, it's not my place to judge.
Waaaaaaaaaay back when (25+ years ago) when it was easy to dupe the DMV, my sister and my cousin looked pretty much alike - same height and weight. My sister was about 23 but my cousin was about 20 - definitely underage. My cousin wanted an ID so she could go drinking. So my sister said he lost her license. They went to the DMV to get a new one. When it came time for the picture my cousin stepped in, in place of my sister. The DMV never caught on and soon my cousin had a legal ID saying she was old enough to drink. In addition to the real DL she had and my Sister had. Cousin only used it to go drinking. Neither ever got caught. Now - this was in the early 1990s when doing stuff like that could be done - unlike now. But this situation reminded me of it.
As for this situation, if there is only about a 2-inch height difference between the 2 guys it would be very tough for any bartender to notice the difference.
As for this situation, if there is only about a 2-inch height difference between the 2 guys it would be very tough for any bartender to notice the difference.
I’m wondering If the customer was seated. It would be even more difficult to notice a 2 inch height difference. I know I have a hard time as a mystery shopper estimating the server/bartender’s height even though they are standing. .
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