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December 17, 2022 06:34PM

I know a-lot of places are hiring and a-lot of people don't want to work but how can theses restaurants, stores, bars hire people with nose rings , etc.?

Depending on the location, is it against company policy for people have theses items? Or does it depend on the manager of that location?

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December 17, 2022 06:53PM

Okay.

December 17, 2022 07:09PM

Depends on the company. Some will have a strict dress code to follow and some will not.

December 17, 2022 07:27PM

I remember back when a guy would wear one earring and depending on which ear, would cause us to think one thing or something else. Times have changed. Nose rings, fully-tatted arms, tongue-rings, etc have become pretty mainstream.

I guess you have to ask yourself...is it more important to have a "clean-cut" employee that has a bad attitude or a lackadaisical attitude about things or take an employee who might have a nose ring, but is conscientious and strives to do their job better?

I'm not personally into any of the piercing and tats, but I think both as a customer and business owner, I would want the employee who works harder and has the better attitude, even if that employee doesn't have the "clean cut" look. Now if you have 2 people applying and you like them equally, I think my preference would be to hire the person that most appears like my clientele or what I was representing as a company image.

December 17, 2022 07:37PM

Establishments hire people because they passed an interview. The hiring manager was not judgemental and deemed the individual capable of performing the job.

If wearing a nose ring was against a company policy (regardless if established at a corporate or franchise level) it would have come up during the interview, if not allowed while on duty, (if the person was wearing during a interview). If the employee shows up wearing a nose ring one day (but it is not allowed at the place of business) the manager can simply ask the the employee to remove it.

Nose rings, etc. are not for everyone but it is a fashion trend just like tattoos and rainbow colored hair. The establishments you are visiting obviously don't find it offensive and are okay with it.

@Isaiah4031a wrote:

I know a-lot of places are hiring and a-lot of people don't want to work but how can theses restaurants, stores, bars hire people with nose rings , etc.?

Depending on the location, is it against company policy for people have theses items? Or does it depend on the manager of that location?

December 17, 2022 07:42PM

I don’t know the answer but I think this jewelry is disgusting. Back years ago, nose rings were worn by pigs so that farmers could lead them around. They had poles with a hook on the end that fit into the nose ring. Every time I see someone wearing one, it reminds me of the pigs.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2022 07:43PM by Texans.

December 17, 2022 08:25PM

Times change. Styles change, and just about every business out there has a certain image they want to convey to their customers, depending on who they see or perhaps want as their potential customers. I recently did a restaurant that clearly recruited younger, more trendy looking employees: tattoos, piercings, funky hair colors and 80s punk style clothes. I loved it. I'd be right there with them if I were a little younger.

Nonetheless, as a shopper, I merely answer the questions on the form. It's a good guess that if you find the styles represented in any particular place uncomfortable, you are not likely their target customer. On occasion though, I will adjust my wardrobe a bit to fit in wherever. Even trendy, funky businesses occasionally find the need for mystery shoppers, and that is actually one of the things I love about mystery shopping.

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December 17, 2022 10:06PM

What really annoys me is the hair hanging down over food. They will pull it back technically, but the sides fall down over the food they are plating. I have mentioned this on several reports recently.

December 17, 2022 10:37PM

It's not a style I admire, but it's pretty common. Many professionals sport these trends. I'm guessing it's not against many employers policies.

When a flower doesn’t bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
Alexander Den Heijer

December 17, 2022 10:50PM

Fashion changes, style doesn't.

December 17, 2022 10:58PM

To me, it seems like the disintegration of our society. Tattoos, body piercings and brightly colored hair have never been acceptable in the past.You don't see a lot of this in other countries. How many people in government or heads of companies do you see looking like this? Can you imagine a top executive trying to do business with a foreign country looking like that? If this is the way people want to express themselves, they need to be prepared to never get ahead in their job. It is not just teenagers. I have seen a lot of middle aged people looking like this. The next time you watch tv, take note of how many important people you see that have their noses pierced, brightly colored hair or tattoos. I am not talking about rock bands. That is part of their image.

I do put in my reports if there is loose hair and I do put in my descriptions exactly what they looked like. It may be acceptable to the manager but not to the corporate office. The location may have been losing money and could give them an insight as to why.

December 17, 2022 11:52PM

@Texans wrote:

To me, it seems like the disintegration of our society. Tattoos, body piercings and brightly colored hair have never been acceptable in the past.You don't see a lot of this in other countries. How many people in government or heads of companies do you see looking like this? Can you imagine a top executive trying to do business with a foreign country looking like that? If this is the way people want to express themselves, they need to be prepared to never get ahead in their job. It is not just teenagers. I have seen a lot of middle aged people looking like this. The next time you watch tv, take note of how many important people you see that have their noses pierced, brightly colored hair or tattoos. I am not talking about rock bands. That is part of their image.

I do put in my reports if there is loose hair and I do put in my descriptions exactly what they looked like. It may be acceptable to the manager but not to the corporate office. The location may have been losing money and could give them an insight as to why.

It's Face Tattoo Syndrome.

December 18, 2022 12:05AM

Tattoos and piercings are interesting to me. I often ask folks with tattoos to tell me about their ink. Every tattoo comes with a story. I don’t find any of it offensive, but sometimes it can be extreme.

December 18, 2022 12:58AM

We all get one trip around and won't get out of here alive, so whatever brings joy to people in expressing themselves and living their life to the best they can, have at it.

December 18, 2022 01:50AM

I am curious about what countries you have visited and when. The trends you mentioned were common in Japan even 20 years ago. I have traveled extensively in Asia during the past 20 years, and many of those fashion trends are common in Taiwan, Vietnam, and Thailand. When was the last time you were in The Netherlands or in Great Britain? I would say that the US is "late to the game" compared to Brazil.

That having been said, I do not like tattoos or tongue rings. Nose rings and eyelid rings are extremely common among the affluent in India and have been for centuries. I worked for a US-headquartered Fortune 100 international company. My colleagues in India looked just like the rest of the population.

I have not conducted surveys to see if employees were wearing nipple rings, but I have mystery-shopped store chains where they were on sale.

As a mystery shopper, I do not set standards, I merely observe and report on what I am asked to report on.

@Texans wrote:

You don't see a lot of this in other countries. .

Shopping Southeast Pennsylvania, Delaware above the canal, and South Jersey since 2008

December 18, 2022 02:45AM

There has been a lot of things not “acceptable” in the past…… But let’s not go there.

Very infrequently shopping the Greater Denver Area, Colorado Springs and in-between in Colorado these days.

December 18, 2022 02:54AM

Always wondering what will happen when some folks reach a certain age and ponder why they got some of these outrageous tattoos. Laser surgery to remove them is incredibly expensive and not covered by health insurance.

December 18, 2022 05:38AM

The things people get offended by… mmm.

I’ll share something a little personal about myself.

My family is as conservative and tight laced as all get out. No tattoos, piercings, drugs, and goes to church every Sunday. Well, I’m on the opposite spectrum as an adult. Stud nose piercing, drink on occasion, no longer a believer, and I just bought some CBD edibles from a recent Dispensary shop.

Area Manger in corporate working towards Operations Manager spot. My boss was recently promoted to Senior Ops position and has a sleeve of tattoos. I have no worries of promoting based solely on my outer appearance but rather my work ethic and team fit.

Cultural norms and expectations change. Thankfully. Studying history from a global perspective seeing leadership in tattoos and piercings would not be a surprising thing.

December 18, 2022 05:52AM

And rightly so.

Like "bar code" tattooes mean you "belong" to someone. Ick. Slavery, much?

Pardon me, my bigotry is showing.

@Texans wrote:

I don’t know the answer but I think this jewelry is disgusting. Back years ago, nose rings were worn by pigs so that farmers could lead them around. They had poles with a hook on the end that fit into the nose ring. Every time I see someone wearing one, it reminds me of the pigs.

December 18, 2022 05:57AM

And women are starting to wear pants!

December 18, 2022 06:07AM

I recently read in Smithsonian or National Geographic that women in USA were arrested as recently as 1934 for the crime of wearing trousers!

December 18, 2022 06:08AM

I would also like to note two major things to address in this conversation.

There are customer facing roles and there are in house roles. Depending on the industry adhering to a strict old school corporate formal look is more vital for a customer facing roles. In house roles can be much more relaxed.

Fields such as finance, medical, big law, etc definitely are less likely to be accepting of body art and piercings. Thankfully there are plenty of fields outside of just the ones mentioned. I believe big Tech has caused a decades in the making shift in our changing cultural norms.

December 18, 2022 06:19AM

You may be right, Luna. It's certainly a seismic shift!

December 18, 2022 02:19PM

Actually, I am English. My aunt used to be lord mayor of one of the largest cities in Britain. I have traveled all over France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Wales and a lot of other countries as well.
I have also traveled from New York all the way to San Francisco on the west coast. I hate to repeat myself, but is usually the lowest class of people in these countries that tattoo and have body piercings. You will not see any political or top executives looking like that. First impressions determine how people react to you whether you like it or not.

December 18, 2022 03:44PM

I hate tattoos. Some loved ones have tattoos to commemorate family who've died, or who've done courageous things. I always say there are so many other ways to honour them.

Apparently, over half of all Americans ( and I'm guessing Canadians) have a tattoo. As us old ones die off, that % will go up. And as us old ones are largely retired and retiring I'm sure many CEOs have tattoos and piercings.

When a flower doesn’t bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
Alexander Den Heijer

December 18, 2022 03:53PM

As I recall, when I was shopping Chipotle there was a sign stating they were a tattoo and piercing friendly employer. That did not seem to bother their success.

Personally, both nose rings and tattoos are, to my eye, quite unattractive.

December 18, 2022 08:57PM

Agreeing 100% with hbbigdaddy: "Now if you have 2 people applying and you like them equally, I think my preference would be to hire the person that most appears like my clientele or what I was representing as a company image."

I intend to live forever. So far, so good.

December 18, 2022 09:04PM

@Arch Stanton wrote:

Always wondering what will happen when some folks reach a certain age and ponder why they got some of these outrageous tattoos. Laser surgery to remove them is incredibly expensive and not covered by health insurance.

And what the tats will look like at 70, with wrinkles and drooping!

December 18, 2022 09:18PM

@ceasesmith wrote:

And rightly so.

Like "bar code" tattooes mean you "belong" to someone. Ick. Slavery, much?

Pardon me, my bigotry is showing.

Cease, I don't think I would call that bigotry.. I have real issues with displays of ownership. Like arms around the shoulders or waist of another adult person. Especially if it seems as if the person being held is uncomfortable. I have been in those type of relationships where my SO needed to be touching me in public at all times to show I belonged to him (might be a contributing factor to me still being single after getting divorced 40 years ago).

One of my sons is very random, he has tattoos of Looney Tunes cartoons in odd places, with no rhyme or reason, very many of them. One of my other sons has a themed tattoo on his shin and calf. A full sleeve depicting imagery of freedom and independence (not flag waving kinda stuff, more like freedom from slavery). And he has some imagery of his astrological sign on one of his arms, mostly a full sleeve, and very beautiful, and well thought out and designed.

One of my dearest friends from high school fell in love with Lucille Ball. He has her portrait tattooed over his heart, and he has an entire wall in his home dedicated to her, with framed photographs of her and film cels from her tv shows. He also has a Marvin the Martian tattoo.. lol (this man is 10 months older than me).

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/18/2022 09:20PM by Morledzep.

December 22, 2022 10:45PM

It saddens me to see all the judgements people are making on others who are really just going to work and trying to do their jobs. Does the way they look affect the service they give you? If not, then what they look like is irrelevant. Speaking on purely mystery shopper terms - I have never seen a form yet that explicitly asks me if employees have tattoos or piercing. I take that back - there is one, but I think that is to track down the actual person if you did not get a name or they have a common name. This topic just seems pointless. Ok, you don't like looking at people that have certain body modifications, fine. There are some people I don't like the way they choose to dress, but if the employer thinks it's ok, then it's fine for me as long as I get the expected service.

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