Hmmm, beyond the fact that the driver, who was the PIC (person in charge) was rude, she was smoking a cigarette so that her charges had to breathe in her second hand smoke. I think that pissed me off more than anything.

People have the right to be disagreeable but people who are at their job which is taking care of DD adults OR children do not have that right. They are being paid to treat them well. Furthermore, we, the taxpayers are probably the ones paying them.
I'm glad it happened publicly so that a caring person could do something about it. People who can't handle the stress of it should go work doing something else.

Hey, so all I know is that the woman barked at the young man and he hung his head and said he was sorry repeatedly. I didn't see any type of clash, he was completely docile and was borderline tears. What I saw was a definite assertion of dominance by "her" with no resistance whatsoever. That's all I saw and that's what I reported. The woman who took my report asked me several times if there were any curse words used or aggressive physical behavior exhibited, and of course I said no, as I didn't see that. So I don't know if anything will happen at all in regards to the woman's behavior, but maybe at least they will let her know she can't smoke while she is working her shifts.

If the thuggery and scare tactics for second-hand smoke were truthful, I would have been dead years ago. I am still alive and have healthy lungs. Someone told me a lie about breathing second-hand smoke.

You do not know the beginning and ending of that story. Neither do I. I wonder about a few things, though. I do not know where you were at the time and whether any local or state statutes apply to smoking outdoors. Are people there still allowed to smoke outdoors? If so, the person in charge did not do anything illegal. And, they were near the vehicle, which is where they were supposed to be (presumably).

Was the dependent person experiencing difficulty with hearing on that day? If so, it might have been necessary to use a loud voice in order to be heard. Does the person in charge have an unfortunate voice for that eventuality? Did the voice grate or grind, rather than carry sound to a challenged ear? Could they have used sign language? Would they have seen each other signing from across the room, given any store or human visual barriers between them? There may have been other factors that were not immediately apparent.

At the bottom of all of that, is an administrator's determination. It was/will be based upon personal and private information.

I still give you kudos for venting here.

@Shop-et-al wrote:

If the thuggery and scare tactics for second-hand smoke were truthful, I would have been dead years ago. I am still alive and have healthy lungs. Someone told me a lie about breathing second-hand smoke.

Seriously? Are you saying that second hand smoke does NOT affect people? WOW. Maybe it didn't affect your lungs but maybe it affected some other important organs. You have no idea just yet, do you?

I sure am glad I'm naturally contrary and don't have to grasp at straws to find things to be contrary about

I am being conditioned by the forum mods to not say exactly what I think and feel about certain postings because it will be MOST CERTAINLY construed as negative or insulting and not being a positive contribution to the forum, even though in my opinion, negating obvious untruths are positive. I don't quite grasp sometimes the fine line between telling the obvious truth and what can be construed as an insult. If I don't agree with someone else and state my opinion about that, it might be considered a personal insult. Sheesh.

I like facts.

There are some very plausible, and possibly real ideas about the relationship between second-hand smoke and human health. It is still necessary to untangle other factors. The earliest smokers: where they lived, access to health care, where they worked, etc. The next generations of smokers: were these the ones who, in statistically significant numbers, moved out of cities, mines, and congested traffic? For at least a few years, they lived in somewhat cleaner air of suburbs. They also may have worked in sick buildings. The current generation? These people are more likely to pick up "smoking" of vaping and similar products and to work in newer buildings. Is the newness of buildings making a difference because the buildings contain materials that are less hazardous for human health?

If some studies are reflecting some people's truth, some smokers are plagued by conditions which are eased by smoking, tobacco, nicotine, the kinetic acts of smoking, or something related to that. Will future studies link these conditions to some trigger for cancers and other health conditions which may be related less to smoke than to internal, ongoing stress or something that the future researchers will be able to identify?

Fortunately, my other organs are free of negative or unwanted effects of second-hand smoke. This is known. But why is this so? I do not know. I am grateful for overall great health. Is gratefulness itself a health-protecting act or condition? Some studies suggest that it might, but I do not claim that as an explanation for me. Is there something else in my lifestyle that is health-protective or at least an offset for occasional exposures to second-hand smoke? I follow the doc's suggestions and my health is great. However, no one has designed a proper study of lifestyle factors and me and second-hand smoke. Unless/until that happens, we will never be absolutely certain why exposure to second-hand smoke in my formative years (such as in places where smoking was nearly constant and third-hand smoke also was present) has not caused me to experience what has been predicted for me. We would probably need another study to find out why occasional exposure now is not affecting me in the dire predicted ways.

In order to substantiate broad claims about populations and the three or more types of smoke, we would need vast studies of many people and hundreds if not thousands of factors in order to pinpoint why each person experiences health challenges. We need retroactive data in order to rule out all confounding information. Unless/until that happens and someone knows anything for certain, we know nothing and there is only hype.

I don't like hype.

I think that there is one particular organ that people overlook when considering second hand smoke: the brain. It obviously is affected, even when other organs may not be.

I didn't realize there was still a debate about the effects of second hand smoke. That surprises, especially because we're on to third hand smoke now. It's a thing. I walked into an apartment that was empty, the walls were freshly painted, the windows were open, and I could still smell stale cigarette smoke from the previous tenant. The tar (or whatever chemical left the residue) was clinging to the walls and hardwood floors. The leasing agent even acknowledged that they painted the walls twice and were leaving the windows open all day to try to get rid of the smell, and none of those efforts were working.

Now, now. You are on a roll this evening. But you are in good company. Many people do not like my "controversial" ideas about facts. After all, it is expedient to rampage forward in good and bad causes without them. It is imperative to keep up the momentum! Go! Moveitmoveitmoveit! (With apologies to Sergeant Carter). "Hey, you! Put down that fact sheet. Throw those flyers in the trash. Now!"

This is something I learned from a talented activist. The activism energized and mobilized emotional armies. Power was used. Someone "won".

Facts and Wisdom lost.
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You are no fun. You have played the "obvious" card. Someone might join you there.

@ChrisCooper wrote:

I didn't realize there was still a debate about the effects of second hand smoke. That surprises, especially because we're on to third hand smoke now. It's a thing. I walked into an apartment that was empty, the walls were freshly painted, the windows were open, and I could still smell stale cigarette smoke from the previous tenant. The tar (or whatever chemical left the residue) was clinging to the walls and hardwood floors. The leasing agent even acknowledged that they painted the walls twice and were leaving the windows open all day to try to get rid of the smell, and none of those efforts were working.

Did we cross-post? That was in one of my posts, where I mentioned three or more types of smoke.

Eye roll.

And, what else has contributed to the aroma of that place? Is it the stuff from ciggies & cigars that is so bad, and/or is it the cumulative effects of multiple types of air-altering substances? What type of heating units are in that place, ChrisCooper? What fabrics were used in the place? Was the place ever aired during its history? What foods were stored and prepared there? Were aerosols ever sprayed there? What is in the pipes? What is behind the walls and under the floors? What is under the porch? What is on the bottom side of the porch? What is in the chimney, and what has been used in the fireplace? If the place was aired, was it simultaneously subjected to smoky or other air-altering effects from outside? And, what were those air-altering effects? Was the place downwind more than nearby locations? If so, could you check an "upwind" unit to find out if the aroma is different than in the one you mentioned?

Even now, we do not know what smoke does alone and/or in conjunction with other factors. Why are we all about banning smoking when we cannot determine if it is the villain that some people seem to think it is? Why do we use eye rolls and insinuate that people who challenge the current belief that 'smoking must be banned' may have experienced brain damage from smoke? The latter implies three likely and other possible explanations. First, it might be the acting out behavior of someone who is participating emotionally in the issue. It is understood and forgiven. Second, it might be an activist tactic. It, too, is understood and forgiven. The third possibility is the pitiable one.



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Considering toggle for the first time in five years...

@JASFLALMT wrote:

Eye roll.

QFT

JAS, try it. You might like it.

How do you quote an eye roll. Thanks though.

That is entirely up to you. Remember that someone else, somewhere else, may also challenge your position. Will you be able to toggle them? Will you have to deal with them or their information? Good luck if you have to deal with people who present opposing views and do not wish to be overcome. Earlier you indicated that you did not like that the person in charge dominated the dependent person. But look at you now. Are you using tactics in an effort to make me change my views? Is any attempt to dominate inherent in what you have been doing in your last several posts?

I merely wonder about these things. For me, it is not a reason to toggle you. It is a wee wonderment.

I just did it!

I keep thinking every four years or so when I encounter some weird posts from some, er, ah, um person. That yeah, I should toggle, just try, just try.

Nooooo....never want to change someone for any reason, no never. At times I just like to observe weirdness, and that's why I have never toggled anyone.

But remember.... *whispers* you never know when someone else might challenge your views. And, they might not be toggle-able. Oh, the horror! What will you do then????????

Eye rolling...and yawn.

GAS 2U!

DQMOT, BSF IDK WCA 2TXT W/LOA.

IYO, ITS EZ &PDQ... IDTS.

IMHO, ARE =ADIH. TBH, FUBAR &2M2H. GIAR, PLZ! KISS.

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Translation:

Greetings and Salutations to you!

Don't quote me on this, but seriously folks I don't know who cares anyway to text with lists of acronyms.

In your opinion, its easy and pretty darn quick... I don't think so.

In my humble opinion, an acronym rich environment is another day in hell. To be honest. its *fouled* up beyond all recognition and too much to handle. Give it a rest, please! Keep it simple, stupid.

Just my two cents.

Regards,

:-)

IMHO, acronyms are the WTG

There should be an acronym for acronym.

TTU

Serious note,my wonderful Father died way too young from smoking three packs of Lucky Strikes a day.,that was years ago before they knew the dangers of smoking or had open heart surgery which could have saved his life.
Smoking is dangerous and for people that have sensitive systems, 2nd hand smoke is very dangerous. We have signs posted on every outside shopping place, no smoking within 25 feet of tables or stores.
Many towns have no smoking signs, you will get reported and a ticket if authority is called. People here are smart enough to take it seriously, not living in a cave, which maybe the case with above member that thinks it does no harm..when I'm around smoke, I start to cough.....please educate yourself.