Who believes in KARMA.....

For me, the KARMA here has less to do with Dr. Ford (who I find completely credible and she has my deep sympathy) and more to do with seeing the REAL Brett Kavanaugh in the hearings. I've never seen such a display of anger, tears, ranting, and disrespect to others from a judicial candidate before. His own partisan rant and behavior while being questioned convinces me this guy is not Supreme Court material. And then there is his perjury on nationwide television in front of millions of viewers while under oath testifying to the Senate. Women continue to report him and his male friends are withdrawing their support because they say he has misrepresented his drinking. Yale, his Alma Mater, and the Bar Association have asked for a full FBI investigation. News stations report that they now have emails documenting his perjury in at least one instance. Not sure if the FBI has that evidence yet.

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A person who cannot remember details from decades ago is not credible as an accuser or witness. They might not be making deliberate omissions or commissions of lying, but they are unable to tell a truthful story because they do not have the necessary details. No matter how hard they try to tell the story, they will probably only be able to confabulate and thus end up with wrong premises and wrong conclusions. This can never be or become credible and it should not be given credence. The FBI knows this.

If a person is traumatized, it is their own responsibility to seek treatment for themselves. If their situation lacks necessary legally required proofs or evidences, they ought to stay out of the legal arena.

If the roomies were often drunk, they might not remember enough of anything and cannot provide 'proof' of anything except that they were drunk. This is not evidence that can be correlated with the accusatory professor, who still has bupkis. On the other hand, to what extent was this baloney? Did they drink so much, bad boy so much? Or, did they brag about it in order to seem like bad boys?

Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu

Shop-et-al, please get your facts straight. He never said he didn't remember, he said he wasn't there, yet there was a witness that was with him, which the FBI has interviewed. Your posts seem to be of your ideas, not what went on in front of Congress, and the world, lying under oath. Why such a vehement defense of him and a dismissal of her, the victim?

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All of that is the long-ago past. Everyone from that time should be living in the present and staying on their own paths. Dredging up the old is likely to do more harm than good, and it doesn't serve anyone well. Congress does as it pleases, though. Please remember this: I do not care about his testimony regarding long-dead times and events. I believe that no one can provide any appropriate testimony from this distance of time from alleged events and in the current climate of rabid sexual misconduct allegations.

I care about how the accused may be as an evaluator of testimony that is provided by other people. According to several resources, he has performed so well as a judge that some persons in the know believe that he can perform well as a Supreme Court Justice.

So far, no one has linked the old, trashy information to the present question of ability to do the job of Supreme Court Justice. At this juncture, I doubt that anyone can do that because the time was too long ago, and the biased reporting climate is too toxic.

Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu

Some horrors do not go away, and yes, heal, try and forgive, but NEVER forget. We all cannot just move on, crimes must be taken care of, that's how the new generation learns, and do we put a man into Congress that is a proven liar, which is what this is all about. Let him prove his innocence, or should all things that happened long ago be pushed under the rug, murder, abuse, etc. Justice for all.....

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defending defending defending, innocence does not need to be defended.

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Shop-et-all, you sound like a victim who has learned a valuable lesson. The day we stop asking or expecting others to make our lives better, the sooner we become happy and heal. Irene sounds like she was trying to create a passive-aggressive political post.

@Msaddict wrote:

Shop-et-all, you sound like a victim who has learned a valuable lesson. The day we stop asking or expecting others to make our lives better, the sooner we become happy and heal. Irene sounds like she was trying to create a passive-aggressive political post.

This happens to be a political thread.

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The original post mentions nothing about being political so I am confused my your last comment

@Irene_L.A. wrote:

I have recently seen two cases of Karma coming around and people are getting what's due them, do you believe in Karma and if so, does it effect your decisions in the moment?

@Irene_L.A. wrote:

defending defending defending, innocence does not need to be defended.

? Sometimes, innocence needs to be identified, described, and recognized. This might the general defense of innocence. But whatever. Potayto, potahto.

Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu

Off or on topic? Anyway, is it good karma that the winners of the 2018 Nobel Peace Prize are combating sexual violence? I would say this is a good thing.

Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu

@Irene_L.A. wrote:

How do you feel about the victims of Bill Cosby...I'm not comparing charges, just interested in your opinion, should he have been found guilty although he kept denying until the end.

First you have to believe they are victims (who goes BACK to a person's hotel room that has victimized them?). Second, you have to question the timing (just after the announcement for the NBC bid). Third, why would a wife stay excepting they had an open marriage agreement? and on and on... So, I "feel" that they are disappointed that promised things didn't materialize and are trying to cash in.

As for the concept of karma, nope. The rain falls on the righteous and the unrighteous. However, actions do have consequences. Sometimes the consequences don't show up until much later.

"Let me offer you my definition of social justice: I keep what I earn and you keep what you earn. Do you disagree? Well then tell me how much of what I earn belongs to you - and why?” ~Walter Williams

@Irene_L.A. wrote:

Some horrors do not go away, and yes, heal, try and forgive, but NEVER forget. We all cannot just move on, crimes must be taken care of, that's how the new generation learns, and do we put a man into Congress that is a proven liar, which is what this is all about. Let him prove his innocence, or should all things that happened long ago be pushed under the rug, murder, abuse, etc. Justice for all.....

Actually, the perception and effects of 'horror' do not have to remain strong or prominent. In order for us to experience this outcome, we just have to know that it's possible to experience something different. It is possible. We do not have to tie ourselves permanently to the scepter of old events. That is only one choice among other options. We can find other things to do and other things to think about. We can carry on regardless of what seeming good or bad befalls anyone who may or may not have harmed us. We can choose to enact a stop-loss, for want of a better phrase, on whatever effects we have experienced that may or may not stem from the past incidents. We do not have to focus on what other people have done wrong. Instead, we can consider how to do more things right in our own lives. Are we all doing our best in every area, activity, and endeavor? Or, can we use a little tweaking from time to time?

It is also important to avoid vigilantism and overreactions.

Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu

SHOP-ET-AL....let it go, it's over and my thread was written when it was happening, so why bring it up after the fact? Your (again) bringing it up shows your overreaction....I've moved on.

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I find this funny. I guess if one person is done then everybody has to be done

@Msaddict wrote:

I find this funny. I guess if one person is done then everybody has to be done

I'm sure you missed the post where SEA directed her post to me.....:so I answered.

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Nah. Have been working despite having a sinus infection. But here is related but separate news that some people might remember. Does anyone remember Gary Hart's tanked Presidential campaign from 1987? There is now a solid reason to wonder if Hart was set up for the infamous Donna Rice dog and pony show. Two of the political campaign strategists who died provided some so-called death-bed testimony that could indicate that Gary Hart was set up to fail. Gary Hart ended his campaign 31 years ago. Anyone who is interested can read about in the Atlantic online or elsewhere.

If there is Karma, what should happen to all the players in that imbroglio (the Atlantic's fab word choice)? If karma includes learning a little something, what should we now know about such things?

Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu

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I make a Karma Kake. I put whatever candy didn't make it into halloween buckets on top chopped finely. Sometimes there is none so that also, is Karma.

Note- I did not realize this thread was a political battle. You can ignore my non-political post!

I absolutely believe in Karma. Almost every time I do something I should not be doing, no matter how minor, I get caught.

For example, one time I left school at 2:35 PM. School ends at 2:30 PM and we are supposed to leave at 2:40PM. You know that the principal was standing right by my car. Lots of people leave at 2:30, the one time I left at 2:35, there's the principal.

At another school, I was not sure which free periods we were allowed to leave. I was teaching, had a free period, went next door to the bagel store, and there was the superintendent.

I just do what I am supposed to be doing and call it a day.

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Am listening to Wagner. The Ride of the Valkyries just made me think of the metoo-ers.. It is just a consequence and not Karma that their modern warlike behaviors might well be punctuated by old, old music.

Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu

Everything makes you think of the me-tooers. It seems to be about all you think about. I've never seen such hatred towards women for the horrible crime of having been sexually abused. It's really appalling. I'm hiding you until you can drop it. Bye now.

Me too

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How appropriate, Irene, writing "me too"...hahaha.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

How appropriate, Irene, writing "me too"...hahaha.

My humor has returned.....haha

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@CoffeeQueen wrote:

Everything makes you think of the me-tooers. It seems to be about all you think about. I've never seen such hatred towards women for the horrible crime of having been sexually abused. It's really appalling. I'm hiding you until you can drop it. Bye now.

As you may know, I respect you and do not hate anyone. However, the me-tooers have exposed themselves and plied their nasty tactics to such an extent that they reached my tipping point long ago. Is it my fault that music existed long ago that described their type? Of course not! I did not compose any music for this situation. But I remember that there is nothing new under the sun, including a large variety of ways to handle life. The me-tooers have not provided an appropriate example of personal healing or handling of trauma. It might be time for the me-tooers to quieten down and make way for other methods that abused and traumatized persons can use in their personal and individual life journeys. Are you certain that you meant me, instead of the me-tooers?

Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu

You many not know this, SEA, but a LOT of people have toggled you and may not ever see your posts except for when others quote what you say (like I just did). So you can just keep on rambling on at no one.

Are you so narrow-minded that you are lumping all people who make accusations of abuse into a category and calling them all nasty? So are you saying that people who are sexually abused and want justice are nasty? You think that maybe 13 year old girls involved in gymnastics who trusted their physician asked to be sexually abused--and you categorize them as nasty? What does that make you? Take a good long look in the mirror...or not, if it scares you. It is getting close to Halloween, after all.

You are a real piece of work. Are you related to Dr. Larry Nassar or something?

@Shop-et-al wrote:

@CoffeeQueen wrote:

Everything makes you think of the me-tooers. It seems to be about all you think about. I've never seen such hatred towards women for the horrible crime of having been sexually abused. It's really appalling. I'm hiding you until you can drop it. Bye now.

As you may know, I respect you and do not hate anyone. However, the me-tooers have exposed themselves and plied their nasty tactics to such an extent that they reached my tipping point long ago. Is it my fault that music existed long ago that described their type? Of course not! I did not compose any music for this situation. But I remember that there is nothing new under the sun, including a large variety of ways to handle life. The me-tooers have not provided an appropriate example of personal healing or handling of trauma. It might be time for the me-tooers to quieten down and make way for other methods that abused and traumatized persons can use in their personal and individual life journeys. Are you certain that you meant me, instead of the me-tooers?

Hmm. Earlier, you mentioned that you had toggled me. You might want to try that again. It works well. It is an easy process. You just click and wala! you never have to see another of my posts. It is something to consider.

The metoo movement is out of control and getting worse. Think of how much energy is involved in that movement. That is a tremendous amount of misdirected emotion! It is always the right time for other options and other approaches to be mentioned here and there, so that people who are interested in learning, teaching, working, or otherwise participating in more reasoned, objective, or unique ways may do so.

Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. - Lao-Tzu

Your reading comprehension is poor. I never said I toggled you. I have never toggled anyone.

I think you are way off base with your desire to shame abused women and your feeble attempts to make them seem like they are at fault for being victims of abuse. SHAME on you.

By the way, it's not "wala" LOL. Just because that is how it's pronounced does not mean that is how it's spelled.
It's "voila", which is French for "Here it is". Geez.

@Shop-et-al wrote:

Hmm. Earlier, you mentioned that you had toggled me. You might want to try that again. It works well. It is an easy process. You just click and wala! you never have to see another of my posts. It is something to consider.

The metoo movement is out of control and getting worse. Think of how much energy is involved in that movement. That is a tremendous amount of misdirected emotion! It is always the right time for other options and other approaches to be mentioned here and there, so that people who are interested in learning, teaching, working, or otherwise participating in more reasoned, objective, or unique ways may do so.

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