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Five states account for close to 50% of all COVID case growth.

If we continue the current rate of deaths in June of .7% in the U.S, we'll have 200,000+ COVID deaths by early September and ~140,000 if we can drop the death rate to .2%:


My worry wort self is thinking that Memorial Day fun + protests + reopenings + people giving up on masks could lead to worst case continued .7% death growth rate and some nasty numbers by September. Wear masks, wear masks!

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... But not just any mask. Wear a clean re-usable or an unused disposable mask.

Please. And thank you.

@shoptastic wrote:


....Wear masks, wear masks!

Things are not to be judged good or bad merely because the public think so. - Tacitus
No mask on your face
You Big Disgrace
Spreading your germs all over the place.

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Love the Queen reference, Rho!!!!! (We will we will rock you.... )

Bu we cannot tell by looking whether masks are germ-free or mask-less folks are diseased. We can only applease the fearful by wearing a mask as a show of solidarity.

But the song is perfect! grinning smiley

Things are not to be judged good or bad merely because the public think so. - Tacitus
Phase 2 today. The commuter parking lot had more cars but it was not impressive. Streets were a bit more crowded as well as increased automobile traffic. Had a contactless lunch pickup which was a pleasure. My food was on time, delicious and accurate for once. Commuting home was a bit weird; we were not 6 fit apart. Witnessed a person trying to get the attention of a non-wearing mask passenger who was drinking a smoothie and working on his laptop. He ignored the warning. Warner got up visibly agitated and walked up and down the car to the doors while muttering but did not attempt to open them. He returned to his seat and hovered in the corner. Non-wearing mask person put his mask back on after finishing his smoothie 10 minutes later. Another person was broadcasting 911 events on his laptop? Another passenger yelled at him to cut it off. Rude guy had his phone connected to an outlet which caused a trip wire for incoming passengers. He got yelled at too. Not fun.
Has anyone eaten IN at a restaurant since the phased reopenings across the U.S.?

Really wondering how restaurants are supposed to survive at all? FL, for example, is at 50% capacity.

I've seen analysis that even getting 75% of business back would make restaurants go bust, as they operate on razor thin margins (10% or less). 30% is food costs (which have risen), 30% is labor (which probably has lowered, given high unemployment and offsets the food prices), and 30% if rent/utilities/operating costs. That leaves 10% for profit.
@shoptastic wrote:

Has anyone eaten IN at a restaurant since the phased reopenings across the U.S.?

Really wondering how restaurants are supposed to survive at all? FL, for example, is at 50% capacity.

I've seen analysis that even getting 75% of business back would make restaurants go bust, as they operate on razor thin margins (10% or less). 30% is food costs (which have risen), 30% is labor (which probably has lowered, given high unemployment and offsets the food prices), and 30% if rent/utilities/operating costs. That leaves 10% for profit.

PPP is supposed to cover up to 75% of payroll costs to be fully forgiven as long as you meet this requirement, with the rest being a low-interest loan, but even that is just a bandaid.

I ate at Perry's Steakhouse over the weekend. The restaurant was packed to the allowable capacity, but I'm impressed how the restaurant's handled it, as well as Colorado overall. Servers are fully masked with gloves, tables were separated and masks are highly. highly encouraged when commuted throughout the restaurant space until you're at the table.

Shopping the Greater Denver Area, Colorado Springs and in-between in Colorado. 30 year old male and willing to travel! Badged for Denver International Airport.
Aren't PPP loans for eight weeks only? What happens after that?

At 75% business, most restaurants will go under, no?
@shoptastic wrote:

Aren't PPP loans for eight weeks only? What happens after that?

At 75% business, most restaurants will go under, no?

It's been expanded to 24 weeks in recent clarifications for criteria for loan forgiveness: [www.forbes.com]

I can make that assumption, but to say in general that businesses are hit HARD from this? Of course.

Shopping the Greater Denver Area, Colorado Springs and in-between in Colorado. 30 year old male and willing to travel! Badged for Denver International Airport.
@Tarantado wrote:

@shoptastic wrote:

Aren't PPP loans for eight weeks only? What happens after that?

At 75% business, most restaurants will go under, no?

It's been expanded to 24 weeks in recent clarifications for criteria for loan forgiveness: [www.forbes.com]

I can make that assumption, but to say in general that businesses are hit HARD from this? Of course.

Wow. 24 weeks! Good for them! smiling smiley

More reason to buy gold, lol. Our country is going to have to inflate/hyper-inflate away our massive debt.
TX and FL roll back reopening plans:
[www.washingtonpost.com]

This chart shows the link between restaurant spending and new COVID cases:
[www.cnbc.com]


@ wrote:

J.P. Morgan analyzed data from 30 million Chase cardholders and Johns Hopkins University’s case tracker and found that lagged restaurant spending predicted a rise in new Covid-19 cases in that state.
In-person restaurant spending was “particularly predictive.” Conversely, higher spending at supermarkets predicted a slower spread of the virus.
@shoptastic wrote:

***eta: Oh, and speaking of secret shopper hidden recorders, that case was captured, because an officer had a hidden recording device! Caught his sargeant/captain (don't know technical term) saying this on audio!
Making a one-time exception to going off-topic to report this news:
[www.cbsnews.com]
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Winston-Salem, North Carolina — Three members of the Wilmington, North Carolina Police Department have been fired after being caught on video making racist and threatening comments. One said a civil war necessary to wipe black people off the map and he was ready.
Still don't support protesting during COVID, due to the medical dangers, but these human scum need to never work again in any position of power. Complete moral filth! This story is sick!

*back to the thread topic now*

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[www.washingtonpost.com]
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'Maricopa County is recording as many as 2,000 cases a day, “eclipsing the New York City boroughs even on their worst days,” warned disease trackers at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, which observed, “Arizona has lost control of the epidemic.”'
Maybe the country locks down again?
[www.theatlantic.com]
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'The country’s second surge has arrived—and it is hammering states, such as Texas and Arizona, that escaped the first surge mostly unscathed. In terms of new confirmed cases, three of the 10 worst days of the U.S. pandemic so far have come since Friday.'


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Remember the people who thought they should get the disease, recover from it, and build herd immunity before a vaccine is available?

So how many of those people are recovering? And how many are dying?

I s'pose that if if the recoveries substantially outnumber the deaths, they "win" in that they have increased immunity before widespread vaccination could occur.

Our world is so strange.

Things are not to be judged good or bad merely because the public think so. - Tacitus
@Shop-et-al wrote:

Remember the people who thought they should get the disease, recover from it, and build herd immunity before a vaccine is available?

So how many of those people are recovering? And how many are dying?
Did you mean those who wanted to be voluntarily infected?

I think if there was a safe way to do that and no liabilities (those agreeing to get infected cannot sue if things go bad), then maybe it wouldn't be so bad. By safe, I also mean not going back home and infecting your neighbor. If you lived in a mansion, maybe it'd be easy. If you live in an apartment complex, maybe it's harder?
It is too late to test that hypothesis. Riots, protests, and tourism have overwhelmed the hoped-for control.

Things are not to be judged good or bad merely because the public think so. - Tacitus
Good thing it's safe to eat out again and all. Especially those of us who refuse to wear a mask! Smdh

[www.dailymail.co.uk]

There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
I'm in Texas. The Gov closed bars again, effective yesterday. Limited all restaurants to 50% occupancy, also yesterday. San Antonio and Houston are spiking.
[www.youtube.com] (June 26)
Arizona's ASU modeling team was fired after they presented data that it was too early to reopen. Gov. Doug Ducey shows data afterwards that things are getting better and they're good to reopen.

[www.youtube.com] (June 16)
Hero Rebekah Jones, a Florida Department of Health data manager, was also fired for exposing fraud in their COVID reporting and is now launching a portal showing the real numbers.

These extreme, radical Right-wing states scare me. sad smiley You also have Texas' Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who famously said there are "more important things than living.":
[www.nbcnews.com] (April 21)
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"And what I said when I was with you that night, there are more important things than living. And that's saving this country for my children and my grandchildren and saving this country for all of us," Patrick said Monday night.

He went on to say that he didn't want to die but that "we've got to take some risks and get back in the game and get this country back up and running."

The Texas Democratic Party said in a statement Tuesday that Patrick and Gov. Greg Abbott would put Texans at risk to enrich business interests.

"They would see our family members die to bail out Wall Street," the statement said. "The lives of our families, our friends, and our communities have no dollar amount. Texas Republicans can no longer claim to be the pro-life party anymore."

California did the right thing early on and did seem to have a more safe scenario to reopen. BUT, the people, themselves, weren't wearing masks and practicing safe distancing post-opening, according to Dr. Anthony Fauci. He said Friday that California's issue was not reopening too fast, but how people behaved afterwards.

Even in the best cases, it's still up to the people.
Came back from Costco today. 1:30 PM to 2:45 PM trip. Not "packed," but definitely not spaced out. It was moderately busy.

Saw a few people who slipped their masks down after entering. One person was talking on her cell phone with mask slipped down across from me in the frozen section. I was waiting for rotisserie chicken and said to myself that I'm moving the hell away if she gets within 15-20 feet and doesn't put the mask back up. She kept talking with it down and then licked her fingers, from what I could tell, and pulled a plastic bag off the rack to bag some frozen foods. She was exploring lots of different foods. I said to myself not to go over there and get anything later. Dunno if her licked fingers got all over those packages. Luckily, she put her mask back up when walking by me.

Traffic was pretty busy. I wouldn't say fully 100% normal, but it felt 90% or so. This is the busiest I've seen it in a long time. Stores fronts had lots of cars in all sorts of businesses.

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[www.cnn.com]
Arizona putting in place restrictions again:
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In one of the most drastic rollbacks of reopenings yet, Arizona is closing bars, gyms, movie theaters and other businesses for 30 days amid a "brutal" increase in Covid-19 cases, Gov. Doug Ducey said Monday.

Water parks and tubing also must also close, Ducey said at a news conference, and events with more than 50 people are prohibited. The pullback comes as the state has seen a surge in Covid-19 cases recently. There are now almost 75,000 reported infections, up from 46,689 cases 10 days ago.

"Our expectation is that next week, our numbers will be worse," Ducey said. "It will take several weeks for the mitigations we are putting in place to take effect."

The largest increase is from those between the ages of 20 and 44 who now make up 22% of hospitalizations in Arizona, Ducey said.
Interesting that lots of young people are hospitalized too.
Yup, America has gone OFFICIALLY MAD:
[www.businessinsider.com]

19 year old McDonald's worker asked guy to wear a mask (per store policy). He refuses and hits and slaps her.
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Resendiz is not alone in facing harassment and assault while working in restaurants during the pandemic. The new responsibility to enforce mandates to wear masks can put employees and other customers in danger.

A man was shot in the parking lot of a Chili's in Forest City, North Carolina, last week following an argument over Governor Roy Cooper's mask requirement, police told WBTV. In May, a Waffle House customer shot an employee at a location in Aurora, Colorado, after being turned away by a cook for not wearing a mask, according to an NBC report.
One state office here has closed temporarily due to the dratted disease. This one has locations in all major cities, so people can go somewhere else if they need something. I appreciate the straightforward manner in which they informed the public. No fuss, no muss, no scare tactics. Only reassurance that everything than can be done is being done. And, the governor is keeping us open at the same rate as we were prior to protests (which were a little unruly once or twice but not as wild as the maniacal riots were). We have some new cases but we have far fewer than many other places. Our numbers will probably even out soon.

Things are not to be judged good or bad merely because the public think so. - Tacitus
My county and the two nearby counties are having huge increases in cases every day, because so many people are non-compliant. My spouse works at a hospital, and it is filled to capacity, with many very serious cases of COVID. It is disgusting to see the lack of care for others in this area.

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Texas gov mandated masks for first time, before it was recommended. Bars are closed again. They have been the worst offenders, and that is the reason the new cases are younger adults. The warmer weather does not seem to affect this virus unfortunately. Definitely still going strong. All school districts are working hard to determine new policies and procedures for safety of students. Crazy times.

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Was out of state today. Gas was in short supply, tourists were abundant, and locals were ubiquitous. The fuel was not rationed, but tourism combined with increased local driving meant low supplies temporarily. One independent location had no fuel. Their refill will arrive within a few days. Approximately half of the folks wore masks. I felt out of place with my gloves!

Things are not to be judged good or bad merely because the public think so. - Tacitus
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