They/them...no he/she
There's one company that's always done this. I don't remember which one. They didn't want names or employee descriptions of any sort including gender.
I kind of prefer it. I don't always know if someone is male or female.
I kind of prefer it. I don't always know if someone is male or female.
When a flower doesn’t bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
Alexander Den Heijer
Alexander Den Heijer
It has/does. Somewhere, there is a thread about it. Typing on phone and still do not know how to link another thread (the phone is infinitely smarter than I am).
My garden in England is full of eating-out places, for heat waves, warm September evenings, or lunch on a chilly Christmas morning. (Mary Quant)
One (or more) MSC requires you to say " the associate/employee" instead of names or he/she. And it's been years like that.
The real question to ask is: if the guidelines required the use of gender neutral language, why did the OP opt to use gendered language? And, yes, as others have pointed out several MSCs have required non identifying language for years.
I first encountered this earlier this year while doing the $12 cell phone shops with all the ridiculous narratives. I have always done my narratives like this: "The associate asked which brand I preferred. He said there were promotions....." I received an 8 on one shop, and the editor left a note saying the guidelines had changed, and they only wanted "the associate/the employee/they/them" to be used. It's not natural for me to use "they/them" as a singular pronoun, and I find myself slipping and using "he/she" in my narratives. I always have to go back and double-check to make sure none have slipped in.
To my knowledge, this is the only shop I do that is picky about pronouns, and it only started earlier this year. Guidelines for other clients of this MSC don't mention the use of pronouns. If editors of other shops/MSCs change my pronouns, it's never been reflected in my scores or left in a note.
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To my knowledge, this is the only shop I do that is picky about pronouns, and it only started earlier this year. Guidelines for other clients of this MSC don't mention the use of pronouns. If editors of other shops/MSCs change my pronouns, it's never been reflected in my scores or left in a note.
If your path dictates you walk through hell, do it as though you own the place. -unknown
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Yes, it was exactly that shop. And I also normally use the associate, the employee etc. But sometimes saying he asked me something is natural. They/ them ...aka plural pronouns for singular beings is something I wont do.
I hear you, kitty, believe me. I don't like it, either, but as someone pointed out in another thread, the English language is fluid and constantly evolving. The day is probably coming when sentence fragments and comma splices are acceptable.@kittycat wrote:
They/ them ...aka plural pronouns for singular beings is something I wont do.
As for the pronoun change for this specific shop, I grit my teeth and do my best to conform. I feel like if I don't, those scores will get lower and lower as the editors lose patience with someone to whom they've given feedback regarding the issue.
If your path dictates you walk through hell, do it as though you own the place. -unknown
Something to consider: If you can afford to make such a change, choose only gigs that do not have this requirement.
My garden in England is full of eating-out places, for heat waves, warm September evenings, or lunch on a chilly Christmas morning. (Mary Quant)
It can be dodgy when you face someone you can tell is one sex, trying to act like they are another...I've had situations no matter what you say to be polite, it makes you feel like your being baited into being finger pointed at for insensitivity.
My response when that happens is, "tell it to a therapist", and walk away.
My response when that happens is, "tell it to a therapist", and walk away.
Had a co-worker who presumed I would neither understand nor condone their transvestite status. They made me always the bigot while constantly pre-judging and labeling me. I would have been arrested or lynched if I had mentioned injustice or therapy. I lived in equal parts fear and shame as the condemned innocent for as long as I stayed on that job.
My garden in England is full of eating-out places, for heat waves, warm September evenings, or lunch on a chilly Christmas morning. (Mary Quant)
That driver cut me off, they shouldn't be on the road.
They for singular, either male or female is not new. Of course I've always used it because I didn't know their gender. But no big deal to just do it because I'm asked.
Seems an easier request than the scenarios I had to present at a grocery/natural food store yesterday.
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They for singular, either male or female is not new. Of course I've always used it because I didn't know their gender. But no big deal to just do it because I'm asked.
Seems an easier request than the scenarios I had to present at a grocery/natural food store yesterday.
When a flower doesn’t bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
Alexander Den Heijer
Alexander Den Heijer
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Well, don't leave us hanging, man....@prince wrote:
Seems an easier request than the scenarios I had to present at a grocery/natural food store yesterday.
If your path dictates you walk through hell, do it as though you own the place. -unknown
@Shop-et-al wrote:
It has/does. Somewhere, there is a thread about it. Typing on phone and still do not know how to link another thread (the phone is infinitely smarter than I am).
That's me too. I tell people, "the phone is smart, the operator, not so much."
@drdoggie00 wrote:
Well, don't leave us hanging, man....@prince wrote:
Seems an easier request than the scenarios I had to present at a grocery/natural food store yesterday.
I had to say that my husband wants a supplement that will help him lose weight just from his waist. I felt stupid asking that.
Then I had to say I've never made soup from scratch and say that my friend told me they have soup bases. Well that's not making it from scratch! And I felt stupid saying I've never made soup, women my age make soup
I had to say my neighbour told me, she gets a newsletter, how can I get that?
When a flower doesn’t bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
Alexander Den Heijer
Alexander Den Heijer
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If your path dictates you walk through hell, do it as though you own the place. -unknown
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If your path dictates you walk through hell, do it as though you own the place. -unknown
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And the stupidest scenario award goes to...... -drumroll-..........lose weight just from the waist!
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If your path dictates you walk through hell, do it as though you own the place. -unknown
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Yes. Just yesterday. It is actually good practice but I have only seen it specified by one company. It has always been an instruction for writing the survey for Post Office shops.
I love hearing from fellow shoppers. I edited my report to state "the associate" instead of he. I will just use associate or employee from now on. And I too have come across people with whom I would not use he/she because I didn't know. I just speak to them directly, such as "Excuse me, where are the newest iPads?"
my stupidest question I had to ask recently was "I have started a business selling fake purses and watches. Can I use your services to send payment to my supplier for these fake products?" I felt so silly asking that, because it is not something I would ever do. But, its part of the job.
I'd hate asking that one @kittycat
When a flower doesn’t bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
Alexander Den Heijer
Alexander Den Heijer
Student going by awkward “they/them” all year -presents as a “she/her” and now wants “he/him”
Science teacher is not a native English speaker. Getting yelled at every day.
Who is lying?
Science teacher is not a native English speaker. Getting yelled at every day.
Who is lying?
I would like to be known as a human being. This is not illegal yet, is it?
My garden in England is full of eating-out places, for heat waves, warm September evenings, or lunch on a chilly Christmas morning. (Mary Quant)
What do you mean, who is lying?
I haven't run into students asking for different pronouns. But I just call students their name, or use you. Good morning ______. Etc. Are you finished?
I haven't run into students asking for different pronouns. But I just call students their name, or use you. Good morning ______. Etc. Are you finished?
When a flower doesn’t bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
Alexander Den Heijer
Alexander Den Heijer
If two people say things that are opposites (in point of fact) which of them is lying?
Is the person who made 3 changes this year lying?
Is the person who is consistent all year lying?
I also call students by their name - but do you make exceptions for "preferred" names over legal or "dead" names?
Is the person who made 3 changes this year lying?
Is the person who is consistent all year lying?
I also call students by their name - but do you make exceptions for "preferred" names over legal or "dead" names?
@prince wrote:
What do you mean, who is lying?
I haven't run into students asking for different pronouns. But I just call students their name, or use you. Good morning ______. Etc. Are you finished?
I guess the person who made three changes is:
A. Confused
B. Experiencing different truths at different times
C. Just a very annoying person
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I haven't encountered changing names with the little ones I teach. I'm a substitute and I call everyone the wrong name at least some times.
A. Confused
B. Experiencing different truths at different times
C. Just a very annoying person
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I haven't encountered changing names with the little ones I teach. I'm a substitute and I call everyone the wrong name at least some times.
When a flower doesn’t bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
Alexander Den Heijer
Alexander Den Heijer
Four words: 84 Charing Cross Road. (Cue at 15:36.)
My garden in England is full of eating-out places, for heat waves, warm September evenings, or lunch on a chilly Christmas morning. (Mary Quant)
I did a shop a while back with the following instructions for referring to myself in the narrative:
***Do not identify if you are a male or female. Use “he/she” or “his/her” – Example: The analyst entered the bar and he/she was immediately greeted by the bartender. The cashier asked for his/her drink order.***
They also wanted me to refer to myself as "The Analyst."
It was very annoying to write my narrative that way, but it was a decent fee and a large reimbursement amount, so I was very conscious of this as I wrote.
Then I turned around and wrote my narrative for a different (lower paying) shop and I did the same thing without realizing it! I received the following note from the editor. I could tell they were annoyed, but at least they paid me after they had to make corrections to my report.
***In the future, please refer to yourself as "I" or "me" as appropriate rather than as "the evaluator," "they," and "them" (unless a specific client has made a request for that type of third-person verbiage in your narrative comments). Your comments and answers had to be completely rewritten to be in the appropriate first-person narrative format.***
Oh well – he/she/the analyst/the evaluator lives and learns I guess.
***Do not identify if you are a male or female. Use “he/she” or “his/her” – Example: The analyst entered the bar and he/she was immediately greeted by the bartender. The cashier asked for his/her drink order.***
They also wanted me to refer to myself as "The Analyst."
It was very annoying to write my narrative that way, but it was a decent fee and a large reimbursement amount, so I was very conscious of this as I wrote.
Then I turned around and wrote my narrative for a different (lower paying) shop and I did the same thing without realizing it! I received the following note from the editor. I could tell they were annoyed, but at least they paid me after they had to make corrections to my report.
***In the future, please refer to yourself as "I" or "me" as appropriate rather than as "the evaluator," "they," and "them" (unless a specific client has made a request for that type of third-person verbiage in your narrative comments). Your comments and answers had to be completely rewritten to be in the appropriate first-person narrative format.***
Oh well – he/she/the analyst/the evaluator lives and learns I guess.
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