Random rant

I find it super cringe that Market Force uses the wording "Oriental food" as the teaser title to one of their shops. I remember someone using the word back in the 80's and them getting schooled on it, saying Asian is more acceptable and that. was. forty. years. ago. Why can't they call it Asian food, or more specifically Japanese food, even better, ramen because its what you have to order anyway. Okay, rant over.

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I understand your concern. But I believe the term is acceptable when describing that type of cuisine, art, rugs, etc., but not acceptable when describing the people.
Trust me, as an Asian myself, I could care less about that, i have bigger issue than what you gonna call me. Name calling, labeling and discrimination is such a first world problem. What? Saying those word hurt my feelings? Does feelings make me rich? No? Does feeling fill my stomach? No? Than feeling is useless. Go do better, if you have time to feel hurt, you have time to get another job and earn more money loser.
Back in my country we talk @#$%& to everybody on 24 hour basis, and nobody give 2 @#$%&. The only thing that matter is you gonna give me money and make me rich or no? If you gonna give me a million dollars I will even let you talk @#$%& to my ancestors 18 generations up.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/15/2025 10:01PM by kisekinecro.
@purpleicee wrote:

I understand your concern. But I believe the term is acceptable when describing that type of cuisine, art, rugs, etc., but not acceptable when describing the people.

A few years back a poster reamed Shopperbob for using the word "Oriental." During the following week, while driving to shops, I saw about five businesses with the word "Oriental" in their names or descriptions. Such as rugs, grocery and food.
Its quite interesting to me as I met my new dentist named Sam today. I have another dentist named Sam (male I think) and this new one is a specialist. I expected it to be a male but to me she was clearly a female in looks and sound of voice etc. I told her I was expecting a male due to past Sam dental acquaintances and apologized to say I had no issue with a female dentist either. Then driving on my way home I started to think about these terms that are current today (and 40 years ago). Why am I thinking I should not assume she is female and be made to feel I am insulting her or making her feel bad if I said to her I dont know what you are. Should I call you they or she or he? To me when I think about it if everyone came up to me and just met me and everytime they asked me if I was a they or whatever I would be the one that would feel bad about it.
So today I am standing up for my rights to just be whom I am and not have to be questioned as to my orientation and sexual preference to decide what a new person should refer to me as. I am a female. And yes I live in California so it is still legal here and I have no issue with someone who identifies with a different group. I just have an issue with having to ask them to identify themselves and myself with every new person as to what orientation I or they have. Perhaps that is a more private issue for some people. Rant over. To me it relates to this avoidance of making people feel bad by calling them Oriental or Asian, or whatever the current terms are.
If the term "oriental food" triggers any individual, please seek psychological evaluation. Or as my friend says, "If someone wants to be a "Furry" and bark like a dog, they need to seek help or forever be kept on a leash."
@sandyf wrote:

I am a female. And yes I live in California so it is still legal here

That's alarming! Are they considering outlawing being female? Have they elsewhere? Nothing would surprise me at this point, though! JK. Maybe.
@sestrahelena wrote:

@sandyf wrote:

I am a female. And yes I live in California so it is still legal here

That's alarming! Are they considering outlawing being female? Have they elsewhere? Nothing would surprise me at this point, though! JK. Maybe.
My reply quote does not work anymore....So sorry about a duplicate. I am responding to Sestrahelena. Ha Ha, what I should have expanded upon is the fact that it is still legal to think for and be ourselves here in California. Not the fact that it is legal to be female. Maybe next month that will change and a new law will come down.
In the US, we're a big and majorly diverse (in MANY ways) nation, so how we rub up against each other - verbally, physically, mentally, financially, spiritually, wherever, whenever, whatever - it's a big deal, culturally. We struggle to get along and co-exist.
Mostly it works out, sometimes not - that's life in the US.
I concur with the other post in the observation that for other countries it's not nearly as big a deal.
I am a resident of another country outside the US where it's not a big issue, but then again, there's less diversity there - so that makes sense.
Pick your battles wisely lol.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2025 05:57PM by BarefootBliss.
@BarefootBliss wrote:

In the US, we're a big and majorly diverse (in MANY ways) nation, so how we rub up against each other - verbally, physically, mentally, financially, spiritually, wherever, whenever, whatever - it's a big deal, culturally. We struggle to get along and co-exist.
Mostly it works out, sometimes not - that's life in the US.
I concur with the other post in the observation that for other countries it's not nearly as big a deal.
I am a resident of another country outside the US where it's not a big issue, but then again, there's less diversity there - so that makes sense.
Pick your battles wisely lol.

It's never a big deal even in the US until certain shade of greys decided that it is a huge deal and everyone must follow their guideline or else they are all racists. There were always the old say I don't need to agree with you but I will always respect you, just mind your own damn business and we can be good. But when someone decided that everyone has to follow their own set of rules because they are butthurt over other people not using their rules "such as" not using the made up pronoun that they feel like, and go so far to causing those people to lose their job, or losing their life, that's where the problem is.

Oh, before you want to bring diversity into the topic. Diversity is never the issue, talking @#$%& does not care where you come from, and discrimination certainly do not care if you are the same race. We talk @#$%& and look down even upon our own people. Our guidance of respect is very simple. Are you a richass or a poorass. If you are a richass, you get my respect even if you are Hexasexual 3 ft Croccrach-eating Alien from Mercury.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2025 06:19PM by kisekinecro.
@kisekinecro wrote:

@BarefootBliss wrote:

In the US, we're a big and majorly diverse (in MANY ways) nation, so how we rub up against each other - verbally, physically, mentally, financially, spiritually, wherever, whenever, whatever - it's a big deal, culturally. We struggle to get along and co-exist.
Mostly it works out, sometimes not - that's life in the US.
I concur with the other post in the observation that for other countries it's not nearly as big a deal.
I am a resident of another country outside the US where it's not a big issue, but then again, there's less diversity there - so that makes sense.
Pick your battles wisely lol.

It's never a big deal even in the US until certain shade of greys decided that it is a huge deal and everyone must follow their guideline or else they are all racists. There were always the old say I don't need to agree with you but I will always respect you, just mind your own damn business and we can be good. But when someone decided that everyone has to follow their own set of rules because they are butthurt over other people not using their rules "such as" not using the made up pronoun that they feel like, and go so far to causing those people to lose their job, or losing their life, that's where the problem is.

Oh, before you want to bring diversity into the topic. Diversity is never the issue, talking @#$%& does not care where you come from, and discrimination certainly do not care if you are the same race. We talk @#$%& and look down even upon our own people. Our guidance of respect is very simple. Are you a richass or a poorass. If you are a richass, you get my respect even if you are Hexasexual 3 ft Croccrach-eating Alien from Mercury.

Amen to you Kisekubecro, making a big stink about this stuff really upset many people. And it caught the attention of the high schoolers and older junior high schoolers who basically most (to me)think they are free thinkers when they are that age but as a mom I noticed my kids free thinking was usually in line with everyone elses they hung around at school with. In those days it was more about dress styles tho for the girls. So now if you live in a place where the status quo is okay for sexual orientation declaration half the high school populations are declaring they are mixed or bi or any of the letters other than Male or Female. As they mature many will settle into a more defined space for themselves as an indiv. Which they finally settle on depends on them reaching maturity and truly being able to look at themselves without feeling they have to please the other kids to have friends. I have noticed of my 3 not yet adult great nieces or newphews all three of them are declaring "they" statehood right now. They do not even know each other and live in different states and are from different branches of the family. I know it is a small sample but 3 out of 3? I did not count the under 5 year olds in my list.
On top of that it becomes a real struggle for those parents with children (older or younger) who they love fiercely no matter what and are not trying to kick them to the curb even if they do not agree or even believe in thier childs choice of lifestyle. What do they do? Do they have to move to another state. Can they keep these kids in their families and still have church friends or whatever group they belong to? Anyway I am not in a state where I have to fight it. But that does not mean I can start to understand it. I grew up in the days when everyone was in the closet.. Most of those people are no longer alive now but they had really hard lives. Some of them lived what looked like a normal life and I am sure some pulled it off okay. But many suffered greatly throughout life or had to live on the other side of the proverbial track even if their career choice may have been at the time a mainstream profession. And for the most part most I ever met were really nice people...friendly , funny, caring etc. Not really harming anyone except perhaps their forced spouse if they had one.
Overall diversity
Many countries are incredibly diverse across multiple metrics.

South Africa is often called the "Rainbow Nation" because of its multicultural population and has 11 official languages. It also ranks high in both ethnic and racial diversity.
India is another candidate, being one of the most religiously and ethnically diverse nations in the world with hundreds of languages and deeply intertwined culture

Religiously diverse
For religious diversity, the data points to countries in Asia.

Singapore is considered one of the most religiously diverse nations globally, with a high score on the Pew Research Center's religious diversity index.
The high diversity in Singapore is due to its population including significant proportions of Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, and other religious groups.

Linguistically diverse
Papua New Guinea is often cited as the most linguistically diverse country.

It has a population of less than 10 million people but is home to over 800 indigenous languages.
The vast majority of its population lives in rural areas, and different tribes are often isolated from each other, helping to preserve their distinct languages and cultures.

Ethnically diverse
Many countries in Africa consistently rank as the most ethnically diverse, largely due to colonial-era borders that grouped hundreds of different tribal and ethnic communities into single nations.

Uganda often tops ethnic diversity rankings, with one 2024 analysis putting its ethnic fractionalization score at over 93%.
Other top-ranking African nations include Liberia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Chad, which all have hundreds of ethnic groups.

Racially diverse
Racial diversity is distinct from ethnic diversity, and different analyses produce varying results.

Brazil is often noted for its deep racial and genetic diversity, stemming from centuries of intermarriage between Indigenous, African, and European peoples.

The United States is also highly diverse due to its long history of immigration from all over the world.
I have lived in a few different countries myself for several years each and have not noticed that all those groups always get along. But I did not really know the laws of the land as I was just there temporarily. I spent quite a bit of time in both India and Japan. My nephew was supposed to get a job working for the S African govt but there ended up being too much red tape for them to hire him and when he visited there he did not feel like he was fully accepted by the staff although they were very nice. My brother lived in France for many many many years and tells me about conflicts between different groups there. It seems to be happening a lot these days but not yet to the point it is in the US. I think our diversity is more diverse in many ways and our sometimes more liberal attitutude to allow people from elsewhere to just stay has ended up with lots of people here from other countries who would not have been taken in at all by other countries. Now our country is trying to crack down on that and it is causing chaos. As for gender diversity that seems to be much looser in many other countries. Yes tons and tons of languages in India. China has several too. And what about those Cockney English speakers or LIverpoolians ? I cant understand them sometimes and we speak the same language sort of.
As a user on Reddit stated, it's an antiquated and out-of-touch term.
@tznmvi wrote:

As a user on Reddit stated, it's an antiquated and out-of-touch term.

If you asked a reddit user off politics subreddit, that's far left haven ground, and they will scream anything "politically correct, not reality correct"
I don't take it as a political issue. For most in communications or a professional setting, I believe it's common sense. I'm under the assumption that the MSC thought the term would be vague in describing the shop without disclosing the client.

The Asians that I associate with take more offense to racial slurs, but I remember one person I know taking offense to the term oriental with someone ignorant of those things.

Some are truly ignorant. Some know, but don't care.
OKIE, you sure do like evolving on this forum.
My mother moved out to a rural area to be near the grand children, she is 86 and the 15 acres is a bit much so she hires a local woman to help her with the gardens 6 hour a week. She has two gardens that she gets help with; the vegetable garden and the ornamental garden. Apparently the woman who works for her mishears every time and thinks it is the Oriental garden despite the fact that it is west of the vegetable garden and focuses on native plants.
What is an OKIE? I'm impressed you're familiar with evolution.
Again, as with all of your aliases on this forum, I am not fooled. Your fingerprints are everywhere.
Is it like a Wookie? I do feel like there are multiple OKIES among us.

@tznmvi wrote:

What is an OKIE? I'm impressed you're familiar with evolution.
Roooarrgh ur roo. We may just have to let the wookie...I mean OKIE win.

@purpleicee wrote:

Again, as with all of your aliases on this forum, I am not fooled. Your fingerprints are everywhere.
I'm unsure what you two are talking about. Hopefully, you conduct yourselves in a more civil manner in front of your children.

As to the original topic, I'll be having some American caucasian food today. Region unknown.

Please excuse my ignorance here. This was to illustrate another antiquated term.

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Do you really not know what a Wookie is?

@tznmvi wrote:

I'm unsure what you two are talking about. Hopefully, you conduct yourselves in a more civil manner in front of your children.

As to the original topic, I'll be having some American caucasian food today. Region unknown.

Please excuse my ignorance here. This was to illustrate another antiquated term.
I don't really care. I've toggled you both. It makes the forum more enjoyable for me.

I'm sure others find your posts positive. But you two seem to have an issue with me. Even if I respond, it just becomes another exchange like the one above and detracts from the topic. There's no point in continuing any sort of dialogue with you two.

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tznmvi - please toggle me and I will do the same with you.
I could care less if you toggle me. You are just plain deceptive with all these aliases and keeping all these notes on members so you can respond in a way to fit your agenda. Much like a stalker. Was it helpful to attack a member for how they use receipts? It was none of your business. Not to mention all the other pointless comments you have posted against others. Look at the rafter in your own eye, first.
@tznmvi thanks for toggling me and please do so when you create your next alias. Good day!
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