Weight loss drugs now endorsed by WH

Our administration is getting in bed with pharmaceutical companies on weight loss drugs. These are the drugs that paralyze your stomach. There are people who have food addiction. RFK Jr was against these drugs in 2024. Now he changed his mind (or it was changed for him).

Personal responsibility / accountability.

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There are many sides to this.

My understanding is that price reductions were negotiated and that coverage under Medicare would be for persons with diabetes.

I would think that reducing obesity would reduce and ultimately prevent other health issues and improve overall health and reduce overall cost.

I am still waiting for a cure to make me tall, dark and handsome.
Dr Oz is on CNBC right now talking about this. He says that it will only take 2 years for the cost of the drugs to be recouped through savings in the healthcare costs paid by insurers/govt.

If anybody should know, Dr. Oz should know, right?

tongue in cheek lol.

Life was passing like a hand waving from a train I wanted to be on
I'll say it another way...

Your lack of personal responsibility / accountability is not the responsibility of any other person / organization including taxpayers and healthcare organizations.

Get your act together!

Give your food you don't need to the food bank.

Think of your heath. Think about the people who rely on you.

Obese whiners with food shops (at $0 fee, no less) in 3, 2, 1...
@maverick1 wrote:

I'll say it another way...

Your lack of personal responsibility / accountability is not the responsibility of any other person / organization including taxpayers and healthcare organizations.

Get your act together!

Give your food you don't need to the food bank.

Think of your heath. Think about the people who rely on you.

Obese whiners with food shops (at $0 fee, no less) in 3, 2, 1...

You do know that Obesity is mostly genetics right? Two people can eat the exact same food, do the exact same exercise for months. One will stay thin, one will gain weight. Fat shaming is so obnoxious and you seem to do it a lot in this forum. People need those drugs for obesity just as someone who has high blood pressure needs their medication. My brother in law is tall and skinny, eat well, still has high blood pressure. So what should he do? Not eat anything because clearly he must be eating something wrong? No he takes is meds and he goes about his day and he is not fat shamed because he is skinny. Nobody even questions him. Fat shaming is not OK. Stop doing it. You are annoying me.
Fact check:

No, obesity is not mostly genetics; it is a complex disease caused by a combination of genetic, environmental, and lifestyle factors. While genetics play a significant role and can increase a person's risk, environment and lifestyle, such as diet and physical activity, are also major contributors. Heritability estimates for obesity range from 40% to 70%, but this is not a deterministic value.

Now sit down. You annoy people with rational thoughts.
@maverick1 wrote:

Fact check:

No, obesity is not mostly genetics; it is a complex disease caused by a combination of genetic, environmental, and lifestyle factors. While genetics play a significant role and can increase a person's risk, environment and lifestyle, such as diet and physical activity, are also major contributors. Heritability estimates for obesity range from 40% to 70%, but this is not a deterministic value.

Now sit down. You annoy people with rational thoughts.

Are you trying to say you are rational? You lack empathy of any kind clearly.

" While genetics play a significant role and can increase a person's risk" plays a SIGNIFICANT role means the same as mostly. DUH
Then there is this...

"Obese people participate much less in the stock market than those who are average weight and are also more likely to favor less risky investments when they do."
Fact check:

"No, "significant role" does not mean the same as "mostly". "Significant" means important, weighty, or worthy of attention, while "mostly" means for the most part or usually. A "significant role" implies a major and influential part in an event or process, whereas "mostly" refers to frequency or a majority. "
WTF, clearly the only goal you have here is to bait the community, to stir up $hit.

No functional human being would hold the beliefs you espouse. I don't believe a word you write and I don't believe you do either. This is only sport for you.

Life was passing like a hand waving from a train I wanted to be on
Now, let's address that empathy you're stuck on...

I have empathy. I am empathetic towards obese people who clearly don't understand how their lack of personal responsibility / accountability impacts their BMI. It's sad that such a lack of understanding and intelligence impacts their food choices, nutritional intake and excessive hand to mouth motions from boredom.

I'm also intelligent enough to understand that the US obesity epidemic didn't occur in direct causation from heredity in just a few decades.
Should people who have a normal BMI invest in the weight loss drug craze?
Should obese people "double-benefit" by BOTH investing AND taking weight loss drugs?

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Disclosure: I only invest in Healthcare index fund, not these mentioned stocks individually.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/07/2025 07:38PM by maverick1.
Obesity can be caused by many factors. Certain medication does cause obesity. Genetic surely plays a role in it too. Yes it is true that generic can cause how a person obtain nutrition and such, resulting in more storage in sugar or whatever.

HOWEVER! Most of these factors can be countered with personal behavior other than the medication causes. Such action includes what you choose to consume, physical activities (Yes work out to build muscle and increase metabolism, and working out itself burns fat). Rather one can spend that amount of time in work out is a different story, but that is irrelevant on whether such obesity causes can be countered or not.

On a side note. Personally I am not against the GLP-1 medication if the result is making people more healthy in general. However there's 2 things that is remain to be determined

1) While GLP-1 does helped with the weight lost. If one does not change their patterned behavior, such as carefully monitoring the daily consumption and/or start working out. You would eventually gain back to the same weight before taking GLP-1.

2) I am still concerned about the potential long term side effect from such drugs as they are still very new. On top of that the other variant of GLP-1, Ozempic was used for Type 2 Diabetes. It was the side effect of Ozempic causing people to vomit, and not wanting to consume food that people start using it as weight lost drug. And according to the study on Ozempic, long term usage of Ozempic could cause heart and kidney problems, and with some cases. Body just shut down out of nowhere.

My suggestion for those who want to take GLP-1: Proceed with caution, use it as a way to kick boost on your weight lost journey, but DO NOT rely on it (long term use). Also closely monitor your daily consumer and the timing of meals like those nutritionist does.
@maverick1 wrote:

Now, let's address that empathy you're stuck on...

I have empathy. I am empathetic towards obese people who clearly don't understand how their lack of personal responsibility / accountability impacts their BMI. It's sad that such a lack of understanding and intelligence impacts their food choices, nutritional intake and excessive hand to mouth motions from boredom.

I'm also intelligent enough to understand that the US obesity epidemic didn't occur in direct causation from heredity in just a few decades.

You’re assuming obesity is a sign of stupidity or laziness. But that’s actually not supported by science. If it were just about “choices,” we wouldn’t have an obesity epidemic affecting every income level, age, and even people who exercise regularly.

The truth is, it’s not an individual failure. It’s a societal one and dismissing people as “unintelligent” only makes the problem worse by adding shame instead of solutions.

There are also a ton of other medical reasons why people cannot lose weight (aside from being stupid or lazy)

1. Lipedema (my guess is you never heard of this)

A chronic fat disorder (mostly affecting women) that causes painful, disproportionate fat buildup in the legs, hips, arms, and sometimes the abdomen.

The fat is resistant to diet and exercise, meaning weight loss doesn’t reduce the affected areas.

Often misdiagnosed as simple obesity, leading to frustration and stigma. (such as yourself)

2. Hypothyroidism

An underactive thyroid slows metabolism, making weight loss difficult even with calorie restriction.

Symptoms: fatigue, cold intolerance, hair loss, depression, and weight gain.

3. Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS)

A hormonal disorder that affects insulin and androgen levels, causing weight gain (especially around the abdomen) and resistance to weight loss.

Many with PCOS have insulin resistance, making fat storage easier and fat burning harder.

4. Cushing’s Syndrome

Caused by chronically high cortisol (stress hormone) levels, from the body itself or long-term steroid medication.

Leads to rapid central weight gain (abdomen, face, upper back) even with normal eating.

5. Insulin Resistance & Type 2 Diabetes

The body doesn’t respond well to insulin, causing blood sugar spikes and fat storage.

It’s a vicious cycle: insulin resistance leads to weight gain, which worsens insulin resistance.

6. Medications

Many prescription drugs can cause weight gain or make weight loss very difficult, including:

Antidepressants (SSRIs, tricyclics)

Antipsychotics

Beta-blockers (for blood pressure)

Insulin and some diabetes drugs

Corticosteroids

Hormonal contraceptives


7. Chronic Stress & Cortisol

Chronic stress triggers high cortisol, which increases appetite and fat storage (especially belly fat).

Even with good diet/exercise habits, elevated cortisol can blunt weight loss.

8. Sleep Deprivation

Lack of sleep disrupts hunger hormones (ghrelin/leptin), increasing appetite and cravings for high-calorie foods.

Just 4–5 hours of sleep per night can raise obesity risk by up to 70% in long-term studies.

9. Depression, Anxiety, and Emotional Eating

These can change how the brain regulates appetite and metabolism.

Even if someone is exercising, their body’s stress chemistry can work against them.


10. Ultra-Processed Food Environment

Processed foods hijack hunger signals through a combination of sugar, salt, and fat designed to make overeating almost automatic.

Even people tracking calories can struggle because these foods alter hormones and gut bacteria linked to appetite regulation.

11. Early Childhood or Generational Factors

Early malnutrition, trauma, or exposure to certain chemicals (like BPA) can permanently alter metabolism.

“Epigenetic” effects mean your body may store fat more efficiently due to family or environmental history.

12. Set Point Theory

The body tends to defend a certain weight lowering metabolism and increasing hunger when weight drops.

This explains why dieters often regain weight despite consistent effort: the body literally fights back.

Real-World Examples of people who struggle:

A woman with PCOS who eats a balanced 1,500-calorie diet and exercises 5 days a week, but loses only 2 pounds over months.

A man taking antidepressants who gains 20 lbs even though his habits haven’t changed.

A person with lipedema whose upper body slims down with diet, but whose legs remain disproportionately large and painful.

A shift worker who eats healthily but gains weight due to sleep disruption and cortisol cycles.

Yes, I work in healthcare and I worked for a bariatric clinic for 10 years. There is much more to it than being stupid and lazy. So why don't you take a seat now and read this a few times and let it sink in.
The current administration getting in bed with pharmaceutical companies? Shocked face.
It's all about who is getting their palm greased. Follow the money is always a fun game to play.
Fun fact #1: over 2 in 5 Americans are obese

Fun fact #2: While obesity is a serious condition, it is possible to lose weight and improve health through lifestyle changes, such as a healthy diet and regular physical activity.

One of my favorite lines from the movie “Animal House” comes when a frustrated Dean Wormer turns to the character named Flounder and says, “Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

Sweeney: Maybe we should have listened to Dean Wormer [share.google]

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Fun fact #3, Kennedy is only famous because of his last name.
@maverick1 wrote:

Now, let's address that empathy you're stuck on...

I have empathy LOL! WRONG PATHY. I am empathetic towards obese people who clearly don't understand how their lack of personal responsibility / accountability impacts their BMI. YOUR MASTER. It's sad that such a lack of understanding and intelligence impacts their food choices, McDONALDS nutritional intake 12 PACKS OF DIET COKE and excessive hand to mouth motions from boredom, ALONG WITH KETCHUP THROWING TANTRUMS WHEN UNDER DURESS.

I'm also intelligent enough BZZZTT! AI CANNOT COMPUTE. *PLUNGES THROUGH TRAP DOOR* to understand that the US obesity epidemic didn't occur in direct causation from heredity in just a few decades.
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