I am not believing this. Ordered my sandwich, noted the server offered "double meat", which I accepted. He did everything else perfectly, as well.

I've done dozens of this shop, and I have never run into this before! Shop question: "Did the server offer to make your meal "Deluxe" with 50% more meat?" I, of course, answered no.

In my narrative, I stated the server offered double meat, which I accepted.

Report kicked back. "Please correct your report immediately. You answered question XX "no, the server did not offer a Deluxe sandwich with 50% more meat", but in your narrative, you stated the server did offer double meat, which you accepted. Please make the required correction as soon as possible."

Good grief. The word "Deluxe" was never mentioned. "50% more meat" was never mentioned.

"Double meat" is 100% more meat, not 50% more meat. Although I freely grant that if you accept "double meat", take the sandwich to the table, take it apart and remove one half the meat, you ARE left with 50% of
the meat, which is 100% of the original meat on the sandwich, I posit this is NOT what's requested.

I added a sentence to my narrative, clarifying that "deluxe" was not mentioned, 50% was not mentioned, but that double meat was offered and accepted. I left the question re: deluxe and 50% at "no".

I guess what's puzzling me is that if the basic sandwich has 4 oz. of meat, a Deluxe with 50% more meat
would have 6 oz. of meat, whereas a sandwich with double meat would have 8 oz. of meat on it. 50% and 100% (i.e., double) just aren't the same thing!

Think I have a snowball's chance in Hades?

I guess it's sort of a good thing I really LIKED my sandwich, double meat and all!

Math is hard!

LOL!

Or even, maybe, "they didn't teach us that in school".

@ceasesmith wrote:

I am not believing this. Ordered my sandwich, noted the server offered "double meat", which I accepted........................,....................................................................I guess what's puzzling me is that if the basic sandwich has 4 oz. of meat, a Deluxe with 50% more meat would have 6 oz. of meat, whereas a sandwich with double meat would have 8 oz. of meat on it. 50% and 100% (i.e., double) just aren't the same thing!

The way I see it, this phase should be in your objective narrative because the MSC and the Client needs a math lesson providing your Math about the 4 oz of meat is correct on each sandwich.

Maybe it's just new math. You are absolutely right but your snowball has already melted.

@LIJake wrote:

Maybe it's just new math. You are absolutely right but your snowball has already melted.

ROTFLMFAO!!!!

So true.

The MSC needs to pass this on to the customer. They are marketing it all wrong if they are doing double meat and giving 8 oz. They should be marketing 50% more and giving 6 oz as most people will not know the difference.

This is why stores are stacking discounts with 25% off entire store and then selling something that is jacked way up for 30% off. The idiot will add the two together and think they are getting the item for 55% off.

Now did you get 6 oz or 8 oz of meat? Someone is playing fast and loose with the promotion.

Actually, if they say "would you like 50% more meat" or "double the meat" it is the same. If the sandwich has 8 oz. of meat and they offer double the meat, they mean double the amount, which would be 16 oz. of meat. If they say 50% more meat or the "deluxe" portion, they are saying 16 oz of meat. I always ask what they mean by any of those terms..... This assignment was not for Intellishop but was for another popular company.

Not correct. 50% more meat in an 8oz sandwich would only be 12oz.

Correct. 50% more meat in an 8 oz. sandwich would be 4 oz. more or 12 ounces total. Double meat would be 16 oz. not 12 oz. 12 oz. would not be double 8 oz.

Perhaps the spirit of the question is about the employee upselling and it's just worded poorly. No matter how much extra meat one gets, the employee still added value to the sale.

I thinks it's more about poor grammar skills than poor math skills....

@SunnyDays2 wrote:

Actually, if they say "would you like 50% more meat" or "double the meat" it is the same. If the sandwich has 8 oz. of meat and they offer double the meat, they mean double the amount, which would be 16 oz. of meat. If they say 50% more meat or the "deluxe" portion, they are saying 16 oz of meat. I always ask what they mean by any of those terms..... This assignment was not for Intellishop but was for another popular company.

You're making me feel certain I will not get paid for the shop. I agree, if you start with 16 oz. of meat, 50% of
that IS 8 oz.

But 50% of 8 oz. is 4 oz. And 100% of 8 oz. is 16 oz.

I'm beginning to suspect the CLIENT thinks "double meat" and "50% more meat" is synonymous. They are NOT. However, if the CLIENT believes they are, I shall alter my shopping accordingly. I understand.

You say you always ask what they mean -- who do you ask, the poor schmo who made your sandwich, or the shopping company?

I do not care what fancy math you use, double is 100% more, not 50% more. Double means "twice as much", 50% means "half again as much".

This country is becoming too illiterate to survive. And yes, I personally believe math is part of literacy, just like knowing that we are a Republic, with an elected official called a "President" is part of literacy. And like knowing
that "we cost 10 times LESS than our competitor" is just so totally wrong -- but realizing that they say that,
because if they say "we cost only one tenth of what the competition charges", their customers wouldn't know
that one-tenth is 10%. That's illiterate, too.

Now, it may be absolutely brilliant marketing. If Subway can sell 50% more meat on a sandwich and convince their customers that's "double the meat", look at the enhanced profit! Brilliant! Sell 12 oz. of meat for the price
of 16 oz. Instant bottom-line improvement! Nefarious, evil, unethical, but brilliant.

And maybe their target demographic is the 200,000,000 Americans who don't know the difference between 50% more and twice as much.

Lack of both math and grammar skills is a widespread symptom, but only the tip of the iceberg, of the "dumbing down of America." I can't recall who coined that phrase, but it's proving only too true.

This discussion is getting to similar to confusion that exists around "mark up" and mark down" in the real world. An item costs a retailer $6 to purchase. In order to make a profit, they charge a 50% mark-up and sell the item for $9. At some later point, they put the $9 retail item on sale for 1/2 half which is a 50% mark-down. The new price on the sale item is $4.50 and they are selling it for less than they paid the wholesaler.

Double the meat is a 100% markup. If they start with 8 ounces and the signs say "double the meat," legally that means 16 ounces. If they are equating 50% more with "double the meat", then they are engaged inconsumer fraud IMHO, and a consumer affairs reporter for a local TV station the State Consumer Affairs Division should be interesting in paying them a visit. OP, your State may have a whisler-blower statute, so if you report that they are short-changing the customer, (50% is not double), the they will pay you a percentage of the large fine that will be levied against the company for fraud.

Whoa! Per the OP the establishment offered and served double meat. The MSC asked "Did the server offer to make your meal 'Deluxe' with 50% more meat?"
The OP reported no to that question, and then the MSC took issue that the OP made a mistake on the report.

If I understand this correctly, the OP was not short served on the meat but was served the full 16 oz. instead of 12 oz. The issue is with the wording of the question on the report. It sounds like an honest mistake due to bad math on the part of the MSC and not a case of anyone being fraudulent or subject to fines and penalties for short serving meat.

At this sub place you can give 50% more meat double the meat or triple the meat and you still would have a hard time finding the meat.

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Quite right. I was offered AND received "double my meat". I watched him make the sandwich, and he definitely doubled the meat!

The problem is with either the MSC or the client. At this point, I don't know which one. The question on the report specified "deluxe and 50% more meat", neither of which was mentioned during the shop. I recall being shocked when I read the questions -- that's a brand new question, never there before. However, clearly the guy didn't offer to make my sandwich deluxe, or offer me 50% more meat, so that answer stands as correct. But he DID offer me double meat, which is entirely different.

Myst4au, I agree, many do not understand the scenario you present. I do. And it is similar insofar as people
don't understand % in markups and also in discounts.

And I agree it's a symptom of the dumbing down of America.

An msc and a restaurant that may be associated with that msc were mentioned in various posts above.



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And when I use what I learned in school, I get dinged on reports too. This same company always tells me to use only one space after a sentence. Makes me crazy. If it's the form that does this, they ought to fix it or clarify why we have to type things incorrectly. And I ALWAYS answer all questions literally, at face value. Then I add a sentence, "To clarify...." *bangs head on wine bottle...

@CeciliaM wrote:

Math is hard!

Common Core at its best! LOL

This company needs to have more than one person do their editing. They sent me an email saying I didn't ask for the best price, only asked for them to write down the price.
When I read over my report, it clearly said that I asked the salesperson for the best price.
They are too particular. But sometimes I think they do miss a few things when they're reading over our reports.
I just sent back the report and said. "To clarify" I did ask for the best price.
Now I'm waiting to see what they're going to make of that email!
Wish me luck!
I hope I get paid!!!

Not New Math, sounds to me more like "Fuzzy Math." Doesn't surprise me at all. Maybe that's why some FF cashiers can't figure out the correct change when you give the $5.11 for a $4.06 total...probably never will.

She said, "Would you like the deluxe portion?" I said, "What's that?" (I want to make sure she asks correctly to win the ticket). She said, "That's 50% more meat." I said, "What is 50% more?" She said, "It's twice as much." I said, "How much is twice as much?" She said, "Instead of 8 oz., you get 16 oz. of meat." .......(this was my first ticket winning shop

I see what you guys are saying. If it's 8 oz. of meat and she offers you 50% more, she is offering you 12 oz. not 16 oz.

Thanks for clarifying everyone!

I feel like I am in math class

@ceasesmith wrote:

@SunnyDays2 wrote:

Actually, if they say "would you like 50% more meat" or "double the meat" it is the same. If the sandwich has 8 oz. of meat and they offer double the meat, they mean double the amount, which would be 16 oz. of meat. If they say 50% more meat or the "deluxe" portion, they are saying 16 oz of meat. I always ask what they mean by any of those terms..... This assignment was not for Intellishop but was for another popular company.

You're making me feel certain I will not get paid for the shop. I agree, if you start with 16 oz. of meat, 50% of
that IS 8 oz.

But 50% of 8 oz. is 4 oz. And 100% of 8 oz. is 16 oz.

I'm beginning to suspect the CLIENT thinks "double meat" and "50% more meat" is synonymous. They are NOT. However, if the CLIENT believes they are, I shall alter my shopping accordingly. I understand.

You say you always ask what they mean -- who do you ask, the poor schmo who made your sandwich, or the shopping company?

I do not care what fancy math you use, double is 100% more, not 50% more. Double means "twice as much", 50% means "half again as much".

This country is becoming too illiterate to survive. And yes, I personally believe math is part of literacy, just like knowing that we are a Republic, with an elected official called a "President" is part of literacy. And like knowing
that "we cost 10 times LESS than our competitor" is just so totally wrong -- but realizing that they say that,
because if they say "we cost only one tenth of what the competition charges", their customers wouldn't know
that one-tenth is 10%. That's illiterate, too.

Now, it may be absolutely brilliant marketing. If Subway can sell 50% more meat on a sandwich and convince their customers that's "double the meat", look at the enhanced profit! Brilliant! Sell 12 oz. of meat for the price
of 16 oz. Instant bottom-line improvement! Nefarious, evil, unethical, but brilliant.

And maybe their target demographic is the 200,000,000 Americans who don't know the difference between 50% more and twice as much.

Thanks for making it more clearer!

You are correct in your math, but I'm not sure the MSC cares. If it were me, I would have just made the "correction" the company wanted and re-submit the report. Perhaps with a short paragraph to the editor explaining that 50% and 100% are not the same.

@christinereed wrote:

You are correct in your math, but I'm not sure the MSC cares. If it were me, I would have just made the "correction" the company wanted and re-submit the report. Perhaps with a short paragraph to the editor explaining that 50% and 100% are not the same.

What could I have corrected? "Deluxe" was not mentioned, "50% more meat" was not mentioned, so the
ONLY correct answer to the question was "no, deluxe was not mentioned and 50% more meat was not mentioned".

Changing the answer to "yes" would be lying on the report.

I made the "correction" by adding a sentence to the narrative that clearly stated "deluxe" and "50% more meat" were NOT mentioned, but that he offered double meat, which I accepted.

If the MSC "doesn't care", I would posit they are in the wrong business.

UPDATE: Report accepted. With, of course, a "ding" for my error....only got an 8.

Question? Is the editor always right? Does it pay to argue your point? I did a shop where the instructions were in front of me. If X was not available then do Y. I did Y and had to redo based on what the editor thought. Also when I did spell check - the instructions, if graded, would be D-. And some of the wording was obscure. 98% of my editors are fine. I get dinged a bit for grammar and punctuation, yet I did editing for Cabinet members. Clearly, we use different styles.

@SunnyDays2 wrote:

She said, "Would you like the deluxe portion?" I said, "What's that?" (I want to make sure she asks correctly to win the ticket). She said, "That's 50% more meat." I said, "What is 50% more?" She said, "It's twice as much." I said, "How much is twice as much?" She said, "Instead of 8 oz., you get 16 oz. of meat." .......(this was my first ticket winning shop

I see what you guys are saying. If it's 8 oz. of meat and she offers you 50% more, she is offering you 12 oz. not 16 oz.

Thanks for clarifying everyone!

I feel like I am in math class

This really happened to you? Sounds like the CLIENT needs to teach their sandwich makers some basic math!
And I can certainly see how this would leave you believing 50% = double. Doubling anything means getting twice as much. If you double an apple, you get 2 apples....double an orange, you get 2 oranges. If you get 50% more, you'd end up with an apple and a half and an orange and a half!

Love this post! And I love the comment about how a 25% discount plus an additional 30% discount does not equal a 55% discount.

Too bad you only received an 8 when you were not incorrect on the report.

sorry, but I think you're being too anal for the general consensus. I think you understand what they mean, but you're just going to be terminated for arguing.. sorry