ninamason Wrote:
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> I do apologize if my language offends anyone.



Thank you for your apology, Nina. That was very sweet of you. I saw your apologetic post earlier but didn't have time to respond at that time. I do think that you have many insightful posts.

There was an earlier comment by someone that those of us who don't like profanity are arrogant. It took me a while to figure that one out. Without rereading the posts, I believe I was the only one who tried to explain why I don't like profanity, so that post may have been directed toward me. I am just very didactic (the good part of the definitions! Ha!) and know that just because we are all (take your pick) from similar geographic areas, training, and most of us are women, does not mean that we all have the same knowledge and experience. It also does not mean that we agree. I think that maybe my remark about having a good vocabulary could have brought that accusation about. It was certainly not my intent. That's the didactic part. I could have left that out, for sure, and I should have reread it from your point of view. Someone commented that we all know how to write and have good vocabularies. I have not seen examples in this thread of anyone who cannot. The part about a small vocabulary among those who use profanity is said quite a bit when profanity as a subject comes up and I just repeated it without thinking it through entirely. So I want to add my own sincere apology here.

There are, however, quite a few of us who would like to read about our type of work without having to wade through profanity. For those of you who took our objections to heart, I thank you.

LisaSTL Wrote:
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> I caught a rerun of Friends and found this scene
> appropriate. If you don't want to watch the whole
> thing, the best part is about a minute and 35
> seconds in.
>
> [www.youtube.com]


Bwahahahahaha!!!!! *Love* that.
This is one of those times we could use one of those new proposed buttons we were talking about.

And... re: StillLearning... *blush!*
And I don't usually do that.

PS: Oh, come *on* now... the profanity level around here is no wheres even *close* to approaching the "wading" level.

More kinda like walking through the yard... when you have only *one* average-size dog... and haven't scooped yet... and you gotta high-step over a turd now & then. It's not even to the level of *my* yard yet... with six doggies, you kinda end up doing a form of ballet through an un-scooped yard. The dog-turd ballet. Ha!
And it took real talent back in the day when I had 12 to 15 of the little woofers.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/30/2014 01:03AM by StormCloud.

My ex boss really got mad when I shortened his name to Dick. It might have been because is name Gregory.

Sandra Sue Wrote:
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> ninamason Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I do apologize if my language offends anyone.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your apology, Nina. That was very
> sweet of you. I saw your apologetic post earlier
> but didn't have time to respond at that time. I
> do think that you have many insightful posts.
>
> There was an earlier comment by someone that those
> of us who don't like profanity are arrogant. It
> took me a while to figure that one out. Without
> rereading the posts, I believe I was the only one
> who tried to explain why I don't like profanity,
> so that post may have been directed toward me. I
> am just very didactic (the good part of the
> definitions! Ha!) and know that just because we
> are all (take your pick) from similar geographic
> areas, training, and most of us are women, does
> not mean that we all have the same knowledge and
> experience. It also does not mean that we agree.
> I think that maybe my remark about having a good
> vocabulary could have brought that accusation
> about. It was certainly not my intent. That's
> the didactic part. I could have left that out,
> for sure, and I should have reread it from your
> point of view. Someone commented that we all know
> how to write and have good vocabularies. I have
> not seen examples in this thread of anyone who
> cannot. The part about a small vocabulary among
> those who use profanity is said quite a bit when
> profanity as a subject comes up and I just
> repeated it without thinking it through entirely.
> So I want to add my own sincere apology here.
>
> There are, however, quite a few of us who would
> like to read about our type of work without having
> to wade through profanity. For those of you who
> took our objections to heart, I thank you.

Nobody called anyone arrogant that I saw.

Thank you for the apology. It's true nobody here has a limited vocabulary.

I know you are being sincere, and I mean no disrespect, but in going back and rereading this thread, it was interesting to note that your (and a few others') objection to Nina's using profanity in describing what was an extreme and desperate scenario was actually your (and some others') first comment on the subject.

The majority of the posters were either showing Nina some empathy for what she went through or putting their own spin on how they'd react.

I don't want to be rude but it sounds like your priorities are more than a little self-centered. Throughout the thread, you've been mostly concerned with *your* reaction to profanity and have had little to say in comparison considering the volatile and hostile situation Nina had to endure. She's lucky the flying glass didn't do some real damage. She could have been blinded. What's really important? OMG, she said the F word? Not!!!

Aside from the above, you take offense at a LOT of what's on this board that's purely said in jest only, like how the "duh" thread eroded, and I forgot now which word you objected to because you likened it to racism but there were no racist connotations used until you brought the subject into the conversation, and lastly, you recently voiced your intense disapproval over the "blonde" jokes. And that's all I can think of at the present. Maybe there's more I missed.

If you don't like the lighthearted attempts at humor, that's your right, and you're entitled to your opinion, but anyone is entitled to disagree.

I apologize for being critical, but I just really can't abide some of the smugness and narcissism in your post above. "Wade through profanity" indeed. What a crock ... How nice for *you* that Nina apologized to *you*! She shouldn't have. I hope the great relief and satisfaction you got out of creating a scene out of something so minuscule was worth it for you. Now the transparency comes through of why you play the game of being offended at every little thing and what (thank you Dr. Phil!) the payoff is.

I apologize to everyone else here for this rant. Sandra Sue, you are certainly entitled to toggle me. I am seriously contemplating toggling you because it's just not worth the energy for me to "wade through" this kind of nonsense on this forum anymore. The problem with anyone taking offense at so much is, people will eventually tune it out.

I really wanted to swear but I restrained myself.

Free speech means free speech for everyone, not just those who agree. Free speech means we value differences in opinion, not just try to "yell them down" and take pot shots. Sandra Sue and I don't always agree, but I thought her post above expressed her opinion and was well thought out and respectful.

All posters have the right to use whatever language they wish. All posters have the right to start duplicate threads or cut and paste the same message into multiple places. Posters have a right to express their opinions or tell their stories. Posters have the right to derail threads or beat dead horses. Other posters have the same right to comment on how they feel about the language used, or express their disagreement with repetition. Or to comment, favorably or unfavorably, on another poster's story. No one "owes" a poster agreement, sympathy, empathy, or attention. People feel how they feel.

Can we not all express our opinions like adults, realizing that we all think differently, without taking pot shots and yelling someone else down?

cpburt Wrote:
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> My ex boss really got mad when I shortened his
> name to Dick. It might have been because is name
> Gregory.


Bwahahahahaha!!!!!

You might be correct.

This forum really is like a water cooler for a lot of us. A place to hang out and talk and listen to people who really understand what we do.

If you should walk up to the water cooler and not be comfortable with the conversation, whether it be the topic or the language used, the appropriate thing to do would be to walk away. Instead you park at the water cooler and let everyone know they aren't pleasing you and they should change because your viewpoint is the one that matters.

Why do you expect everyone to accommodate you? Personally I find this type of behavior far more distasteful than profanity.

I believe I "liked" some/one of the comment(s) of empathy with Nina.

I don't toggle anyone, or at least I never have and never plan to.

I try to apologize any time an apology is needed. I realize that some people do not respect apologies, but I still do them.

Wow! Not a fan of profanity either, personal opinion is that is shows lack of of self control and respect for your surroundings. Mind you, that is my PERSONAL opinion, and may not be the opinion shared by others. I am not sure how someone posting a disagreement to the language turned into a literal war of words, but to the original post:
I would have found a protected place not so close to the counter, or even outside of the location. It sounds to me as though the patron may have had a drink or two prior to the purchase. Even though the incident created an abnormal skew of the timing, the assistant manager stayed composed and the company should know what a great job they did. This is a situation that could have gone wrong in so many ways, and thankfully did not. New underwear anyone?

OMG. I can't believe the pages and pages of messages that completely ignored what was an interesting post regarding a very volatile experience and concentrated on one word (and I would be more offended by the word "@#$%&" than the big "bomb" so many lost their cookies over). As I waded through these trying to find responses to the actual original question, I found myself feeling like I was in the middle of a congressional hearing. Lots being said but nothing being accomplished.

The aggressive, sexist behavior of the military man wanting to exchange his booze was appalling and, I'm sure, somewhat frightening at the time. The other topic is about WORDS not actions. You know the saying many of us learned as kids: Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.

AustinMom Wrote:
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> Free speech means free speech for everyone, not
> just those who agree. Free speech means we value
> differences in opinion, not just try to "yell them
> down" and take pot shots. Sandra Sue and I don't
> always agree, but I thought her post above
> expressed her opinion and was well thought out and
> respectful.
>
> All posters have the right to use whatever
> language they wish. All posters have the right to
> start duplicate threads or cut and paste the same
> message into multiple places. Posters have a
> right to express their opinions or tell their
> stories. Posters have the right to derail threads
> or beat dead horses. Other posters have the same
> right to comment on how they feel about the
> language used, or express their disagreement with
> repetition. Or to comment, favorably or
> unfavorably, on another poster's story. No one
> "owes" a poster agreement, sympathy, empathy, or
> attention. People feel how they feel.
>
> Can we not all express our opinions like adults,
> realizing that we all think differently, without
> taking pot shots and yelling someone else down?


I wasn't yelling. It is not my nature to go after anyone in any type of personal way on a board like this or anywhere. I never said she couldn't post whatever she wanted. I never tell people what or how to post. I noticed a pattern and I said what I thought. I apologize for the harshness.

I'm sure she won't change her style and I don't expect her to. I simply can't expend my energy on someone who is always offended over words or phrases that that the average person wouldn't bat an eyelash over. I will just ignore her from now on. That's all. Carry on!

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/02/2014 07:23PM by nycrocks.

I wasn't going to comment anymore because of the huge mess I caused here and I thought it was better to let it die, but I feel like I should point out most of what I said was a transcription of what was said to me, with the exception of the one word everybody's het up over (which I suppose still makes this my fault). I had a rule in my store that you could say just about anything you liked to me with the exception of one word, but that if you insulted or harassed one of my trainees or another customer, I would slice a chunk off your backside. That word happens to be the one our fine fellow in uniform used to me, and while I did attempt to kick him out he was very literally not listening to anything I said--I could as easily have been thin air for all the attention he paid once I told him no.

Lots of opinions and still the horse isn't quite dead.

It appears some of us feel it's fun to cut loose and use words commonly frowned upon in a professional environment, or in polite company. Are we a break room, a professional environment, or somewhere in between? Is unchecked verbiage okay in break rooms? Depends on the break room, evidently. Not anywhere I ever worked. I worked in a law firm for 10 years, for two corporations the next 20 years, and the last several years, I have managed a franchise which provides a service. All my jobs, management was trained to guard against certain behavior and language, and in turn trains employees accordingly.

My dad was truly a champion cusser. My husband (of 27 years today), watches his language among females, and excuses himself, if he slips. That's the way he was raised. Our son knows the flavor of several bars of soap, which actually was not an effective method. Now grown, he can spew a very colorful sentence. But, he is aware of his audience and respectful of it. The forum? Jacob gives us lots of free reign. In large part, it is what we want it to be.

Mert Wrote:
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> Lots of opinions and still the horse isn't quite
> dead.
>
> It appears some of us feel it's fun to cut loose
> and use words commonly frowned upon in a
> professional environment, or in polite company.
> Are we a break room, a professional environment,
> or somewhere in between? Is unchecked verbiage
> okay in break rooms? Depends on the break room,
> evidently. Not anywhere I ever worked. I worked
> in a law firm for 10 years, for two corporations
> the next 20 years, and the last several years, I
> have managed a franchise which provides a service.
> All my jobs, management was trained to guard
> against certain behavior and language, and in turn
> trains employees accordingly.
>
> My dad was truly a champion cusser. My husband
> (of 27 years today), watches his language among
> females, and excuses himself, if he slips. That's
> the way he was raised. Our son knows the flavor
> of several bars of soap, which actually was not an
> effective method. Now grown, he can spew a very
> colorful sentence. But, he is aware of his
> audience and respectful of it. The forum? Jacob
> gives us lots of free reign. In large part, it is
> what we want it to be.


HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!

Yes, Mert, happy anniversary.

So long as cuss words are not hurled at anyone on this forum, there is no personal harm, in my opinion. I did not feel that an apology was ever necessary.

My feelings on the profanity subject are this:

I swear; if you don't like it, toggle me!

I don't think the offended parties will be listening to Guns-N-Roses "Get In The Ring" any time soon.