LOL @Irene_L.A., I just found the other thread, there is literally nothing about the subject going on in here in that thread.

@oteixeira wrote:

LOL @Irene_L.A., I just found the other thread, there is literally nothing about the subject going on in here in that thread.

Yeah, I know....@shoptastic said to take it somewhere else and I had been talking to @mlzg about some stuff and she asked questions. Wanted to finish that discussion with her, so started a new thread for that...so that it wouldn't be here...and you're right...absolutely nothing to do with theft and stuff.

There you go...

[www.mysteryshopforum.com]

@Jill_L wrote:

There you go...

[www.mysteryshopforum.com]

k, thanks. I thought your first post was actually a spin-off from this thread to tackle the "stealing" question, because I had just requested that people create a separate thread and then bingo bongo, I saw your thread.

In posted in this linked on, Jill. I officially push everyone to that thread if the wish to discuss "stealing" and other stuff.

@oteixeira wrote:

LOL @Irene_L.A., I just found the other thread, there is literally nothing about the subject going on in here in that thread.

I agree. I looked at the other thread this morning and it is not about soda in water cups. And I think Irene had something in her water cup today. She seems to be feistier than ever today...lol Go get em Irene.
as far as Honey is concerned I do not feel she is always saying wrong things. she has had many great posts but I also do not think she is beyond realizing that just because a server says something is okay it makes it perfectly wonderful to do all the time. I think she knows exactly what she is saying in this post.

Continuing on with food thread, today I'm doing a restaurant in town that I like(d). Decent reimbursement and getting a bonus for doing it before Thanksgiving, still, doing it because I like the food. I will order my shrimp.meat to table BBQ so I can see if my report was "heard" and the shrimp are now in edible condition . Last month my shrimp had the veins in them, if they fixed that, I'll say MSing does work, if not, another negative report, this is
(was) a great place, hate to see it go downhill......stay tuned!! Tea there is 4.00, so no drink for me, I will order a glass of water (with lemon) and no drink, water ordered at table is free, as this is not FF. Carry on guys, this is a very interesting thread.

@sandyf wrote:

@oteixeira wrote:

LOL @Irene_L.A., I just found the other thread, there is literally nothing about the subject going on in here in that thread.

I agree. I looked at the other thread this morning and it is not about soda in water cups. And I think Irene had something in her water cup today. She seems to be feistier than ever today...lol Go get em Irene.
as far as Honey is concerned I do not feel she is always saying wrong things. she has had many great posts but I also do not think she is beyond realizing that just because a server says something is okay it makes it perfectly wonderful to do all the time. I think she knows exactly what she is saying in this post.

Should we call the police now?

edit: *sorry HB* and others. my humor and sensibilities are off lately. maybe bad joke?!
edit again: But, really, should we? lol

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@Irene_L.A. wrote:

I'm stayin right here, unless someone made you in charge.

That's unnecessarily abrasive, Irene. It's forum courtesy to not derail people's OPs with topics that go off on a tangent and side-track the original discussion. I asked earlier for people to not do this in my thread (e.g., HB wanting to talk about Five Guys vs. other ff calories) and the same with this "theft topic." It's not the purpose of this thread for those who may want to discuss the OP topic and not other side discussions that develop. I didn't mind one or two one-off, off-topic comments, but when full-blown discussions take place (for pages) that aren't related to the OP, it really can side-track and derail a thread.

That's not fair to those who wish to discuss the OP and it's not fair to the OP. I typically view it was a common courtesy to a thread OP to let them direct discussion traffic, as it was their OP.

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@shoptastic wrote:

@Irene_L.A. wrote:

I'm stayin right here, unless someone made you in charge.

That's unnecessarily abrasive, Irene. It's forum courtesy to not derail people's OPs with topics that go off on a tangent and side-track the original discussion. I asked earlier for people to not do this in my thread (e.g., HB wanting to talk about Five Guys vs. other ff calories) and the same with this "theft topic."

I don't find Irene abrasive. Posting "I've asked people not to do this [go off on a tangent] in my thread" is pretty offensive. That shuts down the ability of others to participate if their posts do not meet your specifications. Threads do not "belong" to the person who started them and that person has no more ownership of the information in the thread than anyone else who posts there. Threads here on our forum go off-topic frequently and I think that's one of the best things about it. There is no forum courtesy that requires people not to go off on a tangent or to post something that does not completely follow the track of the original discussion.

It's great to see people start threads about topics that interest them, but let's not limit our discussion or shut down others.

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@roflwofl wrote:

@shoptastic wrote:

@Irene_L.A. wrote:

I'm stayin right here, unless someone made you in charge.

That's unnecessarily abrasive, Irene. It's forum courtesy to not derail people's OPs with topics that go off on a tangent and side-track the original discussion. I asked earlier for people to not do this in my thread (e.g., HB wanting to talk about Five Guys vs. other ff calories) and the same with this "theft topic."

I don't find Irene abrasive. Posting "I've asked people to to do this in my thread" is pretty offensive. That shuts down the ability of others to participate if their posts do not meet your specifications. Threads do not "belong" to the person who started them and that person has no more ownership of the information in the thread than anyone else who posts there. Threads here on our forum go off-topic frequently and I think that's one of the best things about it. There is no forum courtesy that requires people not to go off on a tangent or to post something that does not completely follow the track of the original discussion.

It's great to see people start threads about topics that interest them, but let's not limit our discussion or shut down others.

I think there are two separate issues here: 1.) Irene's tone; and 2.) whether off-topic discussion should be allowed in forum threads.

I think the way Irene worded her post to me was abrasive. By most cultural-social standards, that would likely be the case.

As for common forum etiquette re: tangents, I do find in most forums this to be the case. It's often moderated in a way where people are reminded to keep things on-topic. Or, I could have selective memory too. Now that I think about it, I know of a couple forums where this is not the case. But, in any event, I do have experience where:

a.) threads are officially moderated to stay on-topic
b.) threads are unofficially moderated (by OP and/or forum members) to stay on topic and is often respected (as a common courtesy to OP)

I'm simply asking as a personal request to not go off-topic. I dunno if MSF has rules on this, but if not, I guess I'd prefer as a courtesy to me and others, who may only be here to read about the OP thread title topic, to not go off course guys!

I can't force anyone to do this, of course, but I'd merely ask it as a favor (as my personal preference).

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@rolfwolf...the voice of reason, and hearing the perpetrator speak when she does the same yet tries to control "HER" thread and has been called out in the past is funny..so, starting my day with a good laugh. Happy Saturday.

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Start a thread in the community section and we'll chat there. DON'T disrupt my thread here!

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Yes Mam'm I promise, I don't know you, but your writings are controlling, like now......so I speak up for myself and the forum......I'll get you a kleenix and call it a day.

Rolfofl answered your speaking in terms of "YOUR THREAD", re-read, excellent advice.

@Irene_L.A. wrote:

Yes Mam'm I promise, I don't know you, but your writings are controlling, like now......so I speak up for myself and the forum......I'll get you a kleenix and call it a day.

The problem is you NEVER acknowledge your wrongs and jump to accusing me of things, jump to the negative with me, always assume the worst...as if you have some deep-seeded dislike of me.

You don't do this with other people and I notice. I don't control anyone, but merely asked people to go to another thread for off-topic discussions. I thought I asked politely earlier with HB.

Then, I asked again with the "theft" chat. I think I may have written in a "loud way" that seemed aggressive, but if you know my writing style (and you've been around long enough to know, as we've had many interactions), then you know that's just me writing in a jovial, excited manner. Or, at least, you don't have to assume the worst in my tone.

I admit, I go off-topic a lot in threads! 100% true. I would absolutely stop, though, and move to another thread if someone asked me and would not challenge the OP in a abrasive tone. That is one difference here.

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@shoptastic wrote:

@Irene_L.A. wrote:

@rolfwolf...the voice of reason, and hearing the perpetrator speak when she does the same yet tries to control "HER" thread and has been called out in the past is funny..so, starting my day with a good laugh. Happy Saturday.

If you have a problem with me, Irene, let's have it out somewhere! I'm sick of you ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS having negative stuff to say about me. You wouldn't say stuff like this or complain if it was a "friend" or another poster you liked. For whatever reason you have a problem with ME and constantly undercut me, do things to oppose me, etc.

It's selective on your part, so let's hash it out somewhere. I'm tired of this. Just don't ever address me or post in my threads again. And I'll do the same with you to avoid drama.

I bet if rolfwolf asked you to stay on topic, you'd do it. I'm not saying she/she would, but if she/he did. Or, someone else. But, for me, there's always some problem or thing you have to create drama over.

Having it out with someone seriously smells like a threat. Did you really do that to someone I assume to be older than most of us here? Sorry Irene, I'm too livid at the statement made to be PC right now.

I have zero, none, nada friends here. Anyone asks for drama and negativity because they post it to begin with, correct?

@nslinhar wrote:

Having it out with someone seriously smells like a threat. Did you really do that to someone I assume to be older than most of us here? Sorry Irene, I'm too livid at the statement made to be PC right now.

I have zero, none, nada friends here. Anyone asks for drama and negativity because they post it to begin with, correct?

I'd request that you not get into this, nslinhar, as you may not be aware of a lengthy history and are not involved.

You have no stake in this, so let us deal with this.

But to re: you concern. By have it out, I meant, hash it out. And, yes, I don't mind a "cleansing" or "purging" sort of "fight/argument," as I think it is healthy when there is discord in relationships. If you've read my posts and history (I encourage you to read anything and everything I've written on this forum - especially starting with the beginning - to get a sense of who I am and not judge me based on our recent interaction), you'll know that I am opposed to any sort of violence whatsoever. I've done everything to avoid "trouble" on this forum.

As for my wording of things, I'm sorry if you (or anyone else) saw it as a threat. It was not intended that way, but as an invitation to hash out (even if in argument) any problems we might have and stop this non-sensical rudeness and subtle attacks (like snide comments that harm other people's mental well-being). I want to get to a place of peace, but sometimes that takes temporary upheaval.

Again, please stay out of this, nslinhar, as this is between two posters who have a history and you and I don't know each other, nor have had any extended interactions and you have no stake in this. Thank you.

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I took it as a threat, and am reporting you...I have nothing to say, and can't even remember you, weren't you banned for awhile, my memory of you is nill....

So you are dictating to me I cannot post on a public forum? Okey dokey. Bye Felecia.

to elaborate above: that's why I told Irene to start a community/mega-forum thread to chat. That's what I meant by "have it out." My wording is poor today/recently.

@shoptastic wrote:

I bet if rolfwolf asked you to stay on topic, you'd do it. I'm not saying she/she would, but if she/he did. Or, someone else.

I have only quoted the portion of the post that mentions me so I can clarify the meaning of my earlier post. You seem not to have understood it. I find the rest of the post, which seems directed at Irene, to be overly-dramatic, aggressive, and threatening, and I've reported it to the moderator.

I would never ask anyone to stay on topic, nor would I ever call a thread "my thread," regardless of whether I started the thread or not. That was the point of my post above. I believe repeatedly stating a "personal preference" that people stay on topic on "my" thread and berating others for posting irrelevant information is offensive. It shuts out the ability of others to participate.

@nslinhar wrote:

So you are dictating to me I cannot post on a public forum? Okey dokey. Bye Felecia.

Stick around, nslinhar. Not all of us feel that anyone should dictate what can be posted. Overly controlling behavior like the OP is exhibiting should be reported to the moderator. It should not be allowed to continue and shut down and chase away other posters.

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@roflwofl wrote:

@nslinhar wrote:

So you are dictating to me I cannot post on a public forum? Okey dokey. Bye Felecia.

Stick around, nslinhar. Not all of us feel that anyone should dictate what can be posted. Overly controlling behavior like the OP is exhibiting should be reported to the moderator. It should not be allowed to continue and shut down and chase away other posters.

Oh, I'm sticking around. Google "Bye Felicia". Thanks though.

@roflwofl wrote:

@nslinhar wrote:

So you are dictating to me I cannot post on a public forum? Okey dokey. Bye Felecia.

Stick around, nslinhar. Not all of us feel that anyone should dictate what can be posted. Overly controlling behavior like the OP is exhibiting should be reported to the moderator. It should not be allowed to continue and shut down and chase away other posters.

It was a courtesy request, roflwofl.

That is common on many forums. I am surprised you guys are viewing this as controlling. If it is seen that way, I don't mean it that way, but merely ask a request.

I seriously have a hard time right now. If someone asked me to keep things on-topic in THEIR thread, I'd not think twice to challenge them (certainly not in an abrasive way). It'd just be a friendly thing to do.

Like, sure, no worries!

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I'll stop here. I'm not going to continue with any of this personal discussion in THIS thread going forward. We can chat elsewhere if you all like. Feel free to start a different thread. I'm done with this off-topic chat here.

@shoptastic wrote:

It was a courtesy request, roflwofl.

That is common on many forums. I am surprised you guys are viewing this as controlling. If it is seen that way, I don't mean it that way, but merely ask a request.

I seriously have a hard time right now. If someone asked me to keep things on-topic in THEIR thread, I'd not think twice to challenge them (certainly not in an abrasive way). It'd just be a friendly thing to do.

Like, sure, no worries!

I think the disconnect here is that this is not YOUR thread. This is a thread you started, but, having started it, it is open for all comments and participants can comment in any way they choose. You may be thinking of behavior on other forums. On THIS forum, things are not moderated to keep them on-topic. If they were, we would have very few unmoderated threads. The generalizations expressed and interpreted about cultural social standards and forum courtesy may be things you believe apply to other forums, but they are not consistent with this forum.

My request would be that we all stay friendly, we welcome all posts whether we believe they are "on topic" or not, and we not control or shut out anyone else's thoughts.

Warning: The tone of this thread is deteriorating. Should the lack of positive contribution and/or personal insults continue, posts will be removed and/or the thread will be closed.

@Forum Moderator wrote:

Warning: The tone of this thread is deteriorating. Should the lack of positive contribution and/or personal insults continue, posts will be removed and/or the thread will be closed.

k - sorry moderator

I created a new thread (in the community and meta-forum area) and invited others to join to take this discussion there with peaceful desires:
[www.mysteryshopforum.com]

I'd prefer if we could keep this thread about the OP topic going forward (notwithstanding one-off, off-topic remarks here and there - but, preferably not lengthy off-topic discussions).

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