Barrel prices will probably still go down more. China isn't traveling and driving and industrial use is at a standstill, so their demand has gone down for sure. That's a pretty huge economy over there and they are basically stalling out for awhile.

Never think about it unless I hear or read. We attend a normally huge Lunar New Year celebration. This year, it was half empty.
Now I realize the low attendance was most likely due to Coronavirus fear. It has not changed my life or lifestyle.

How about this?
[www.cnet.com]

@JASFLALMT wrote:

I'd hold off on airline and cruise stocks until at least summer, personally.

By then, I'm anticipating that they'll have returned to their normal prices.

@iShop123 wrote:

@JASFLALMT wrote:

I'd hold off on airline and cruise stocks until at least summer, personally.

By then, I'm anticipating that they'll have returned to their normal prices.

Why would buy stock when business has returned to normal operation and stock prices have gone back up?

There is a biological weapons lab located in Wuhan. Several major news agencies have confirmed that the virus escaped from this lab. Fox News was the first.The doctor who first reported it has now died from it. Two lab workers also confirmed that it came from this lab.

Also, getting it does not make you immune. You can get it again and the second time is worse. It has also been confirmed in China that the virus travels through the sewer pipes. If the people living on the fourth floor contracted the virus, it spread downward through the pipes. It is extremely contagious. This is why you see them dragging people out of their home in China.

They should never have let any of the people on the planes and ships into the U.S. I believe they let them in so they can study the virus for a cure. I have never been alarmed before, but if it does spread, I am going to find a very isolated place and leave.

@SoCalMama wrote:

$4.30 at my nearest station. $3.59 at Costco

YIKES! No complaints about prices in my area, then! Phew, that's high SCM!!

@Texans wrote:

There is a biological weapons lab located in Wuhan. Several major news agencies have confirmed that the virus escaped from this lab. Fox News was the first.

This has been debunked and starts to fall under a politically based post when you start quoting Fox news:

[www.nytimes.com]

Please do a little research before making statements like that.....

I retired with 3 medical certifications in different fields. Do you have any medical experience?

I never said I was going to buy airline stocks or cruise stocks. What I said was that I would hold off.
But, IMO, they won't have returned to normal by then.

@SteveSoCal wrote:

@iShop123 wrote:

@JASFLALMT wrote:

I'd hold off on airline and cruise stocks until at least summer, personally.

By then, I'm anticipating that they'll have returned to their normal prices.

Why would buy stock when business has returned to normal operation and stock prices have gone back up?

LOL, yeah, go figure. FOX news blahahahaha. The epitome of (non) accuracy.

@SteveSoCal wrote:

@Texans wrote:

There is a biological weapons lab located in Wuhan. Several major news agencies have confirmed that the virus escaped from this lab. Fox News was the first.

This has been debunked and starts to fall under a politically based post when you start quoting Fox news:

[www.nytimes.com]

Please do a little research before making statements like that.....

I do. And just because you have medical experience doesn't make the rumor mill any more accurate.

@Texans wrote:

I retired with 3 medical certifications in different fields. Do you have any medical experience?

Well, anyway, it's good to know that the masks are made in the U.S. I was beginning to think the country no longer fabricates any of it's own goods. Now, can they start making appliances that are NOT dependent on a single piece of overly recycled, crispy plastic that snaps off after only a few uses, rendering the entire machine useless? Please?

@JASFLALMT wrote:

I do. And just because you have medical experience doesn't make the rumor mill any more accurate.

@Texans wrote:

I retired with 3 medical certifications in different fields. Do you have any medical experience?

And plenty with expert experience agree that the reports are false:

"No, the coronavirus was not genetically engineered in a Wuhan lab, expert says"
[nationalpost.com]

MOST respiratory viruses can't live outside of the host for long), but there isn't much known about this one just yet.

@sestrahelena wrote:

So, about those masks. Assuming that they're made in China (because everything is) is it not possible that they have been contaminated by infected factory workers prior to being shipped? I am no scientist so my little brain sees this as a distinct possiblity and, if true, the ultimate irony.

1. I’m filling my prescriptions six months out in advance, since they are both made in China.
2. I’m washing my hands much more frequently and avoiding touching my face as much as possible.
3. I bought a dozen N95 masks at local paint and hardware stores in small batches. In Asia right now, they’re impossible to find. They’re $2-4 each right now.
4. My husband and I bought a 15-pound sack of rice and another of beans, plus a big jug of multivitamins at Costco. If we were quarantined, or if food supply chains get severely disrupted, that could sustain us for 60 days in addition to our normal pantry stuff. If we never use it, off to the food pantry it goes.
5. We’re concentrating on boosting our immune systems with 9 hours’ sleep, healthy food, yoga and deep breathing exercises. Also making sure to say hello to neighbors and check in on the few single elderly we know on our street. Social connections are so important in stressful situations.

I did some casino work recently and noticed many of the Asian patrons were wearing surgical masks (at a USA casino.) Although they are not effective in stopping viruses, surgical masks ARE good at making you stop putting your fingers near your face, which is good. So good for them.

Good idea about the paint store - I'm leaving for Indonesia and Thailand on Saturday and EVERYWHERE seems sold out of masks! I asked Walmart when they were getting more in and they said they weren't sure but they were sure to sell out the first hour. Who makes facemasks? That's the stock we need to buy

3M makes face masks

@Steve, I bought it at $42.7x and it's currently at $43.41. It also pays dividends and grants OBC for cruises.

Johns Hopkins has a breakdown of the virus (for which there is evidence that it may indeed have originated in a lab, but whose purposes we can only speculate - one source is Al-Jazeera), and very few young people have died. It's mostly the over-60 crowd, with a high concentration of 80+. If you're healthy and/or young, you likely don't need to worry. eta: Can't find the JH link right now

It WOULD solve our upcoming social security issue... [www.sovereignman.com]







(OMG people, I'm not actually serious)



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@iShop123 wrote:

Johns Hopkins has a breakdown of the virus (for which there is evidence that it may indeed have originated in a lab, but whose purposes we can only speculate - one source is Al-Jazeera), and very few young people have died. It's mostly the over-60 crowd, with a high concentration of 80+. If you're healthy and/or young, you likely don't need to worry. eta: Can't find the JH link right now

The JH link to mapping the virus is here:

[systems.jhu.edu]

There is no mention of it originating in a lab...because that's a completely debunked conspiracy theory, and it would be great if forum members could please stop posting conspiracy theories that serve no productive purpose.

If you simply do a search for 2019-nCoV originating in a lab you will see plenty of articles debunking said theories...like this one from factcheck.org:

[www.factcheck.org]

First posting guideline: Be honest.

If you can post baseless theories to a forum, you have all the tools need to find articles from trustworthy sources...

I get all of my medical information here. Doesn't everyone?

Yes! And my tax info

@SoCalMama wrote:

I get all of my medical information here. Doesn't everyone?

Please don't twist my posts. That's a little surprising coming from you.

Here's one link: [www.researchgate.net]. It's an academic paper from the South China University of Technology. There are many more that posit the outbreak may originated in Wuhan's immunology lab. The main researcher who died was working to find out why bats have immunity to the diseases they carry. Always consider the source of your news -- FactCheck is as "unbiased" as Snopes. For this particular news story, Al-Jazeera seems to have pretty good information (and, yes, I realize I'm looking at it through their lens.) At least their reporters haven't been kicked out.

I do find it interesting that South America and Africa have been able to remain untouched (the one Egyptian fully recovered.)

Thanks for the link to JH.

@iShop123 wrote:

Please don't twist my posts. That's a little surprising coming from you.

Here's one link: [www.researchgate.net]. It's an academic paper from the South China University of Technology. There are many more that posit the outbreak may originated in Wuhan's immunology lab. The main researcher who died was working to find out why bats have immunity to the diseases they carry.

Thanks for the link to JH.

I'm not twisting your post. I'm saying that research needs to be done before posting something that's speculative and inflammatory, and posting a supporting link would be the responsible thing to do.

The article you link to is no longer available on that site, but I think I found what you referenced here:

[flutrackers.com]

The only connection appears to be that a 'possible' origin would be that it came from bats undergoing genetic testing for what you described above (why bats appear to have immunity), but this paper also concludes that no solid proof exists. The theory appears to be simply based on bats being connected to the SARS outbreak, and the lab's proximity to the market where this outbreak appears to have originated.

The original baseless accusation was that the virus was engineered in a weapons lab. This last assumption was that it possibly may have escaped from a nearby genetic research lab. Those are very different ideas, but when you state that it 'originated' in a lab, it smacks of the original accusation. If it indeed came from the lab, it appears that would have been an accidental contamination...and not intentional.

As far as doctor deaths go, the original doctor who warned about the virus and subsequently died was an ophthalmologist. A Neurosurgeon who was the director at Wuchang Hospital in Wuhan died on Tuesday as well, but I can't find any information about a bat researcher death.

@iShop123 wrote:

@JASFLALMT wrote:

I'd hold off on airline and cruise stocks until at least summer, personally.

By then, I'm anticipating that they'll have returned to their normal prices.

I'm not so sure of that. The U.S.'s Q1 GDP will likely be down quite a bit, due to the virus. Possibly even negative.

The big thing to recognize is that the U.S. and global economy had many signs of slowing BEFORE the coronavirus. So, the virus has only added more fuel to the fire, unfortunately.

If there are enough shocks from these various forces (virus + economic slowdown + possible Bernie Presidency), the overall economy and U.S. stocks could be headed lower in the coming months. Cruise line stocks could get hurt even more, as they are a discretionary spend.

Lyn Alden's premium stock analysis service actually recommended CCL (Carnival) as a buy before the virus took hold, as it was already trading at a discount. I think she listed it as one of her top buys recently, lol.

I like Lyn, but I don't know much about cruise ships and don't necessarily know if I like their businesses long-term. It's not a stock/sector I'd buy into myself. Global warming has been producing stronger and stronger storms and a single major ship "incident"/disaster could potentially hurt the industry. I'm not sure if just increased storm frequency itself may make cruise travel more difficult in the future.

I've been avoiding buffets and public restrooms at certain places.

No eating the peantus at TXRH either, since everyone's hands have been all over them. Of course, the germs could easily be all over the table too...but, whatever.

@shoptastic wrote:

Lyn Alden's premium stock analysis service actually recommended CCL (Carnival) as a buy before the virus took hold, as it was already trading at a discount. I think she listed it as one of her top buys recently, lol.

I like Lyn, but I don't know much about cruise ships and don't necessarily know if I like their businesses long-term. It's not a stock/sector I'd buy into myself. Global warming has been producing stronger and stronger storms and a single major ship "incident"/disaster could potentially hurt the industry. I'm not sure if just increased storm frequency itself may make cruise travel more difficult in the future.

Yep, February 02, 2020: [www.lynalden.com]

Lyn lists Carnival (CCL) as one of her top buys. lol. I subscribe to her premium service and she had CCL listed pre-virus. I guess one good thing about it being already cheap is that it likely won't drop too much lower and would likely rebound faster (even if it did) than buying like a super expensive stock (Tesla ?).

Don’t forget investment advice from people who don’t have money.

@kimmiemae wrote:

Yes! And my tax info

@SoCalMama wrote:

I get all of my medical information here. Doesn't everyone?

It's not because of coronavirus, I always have avoided buffets and bowls containing foodstuffs that people can get their grubby hands in. I keep sanitizer in my purse, car, etc. and wash my hands frequently. Yes, germs are everywhere. You should see me opening bathroom doors (hopefully they have paper products in the restroom so I can use a paper towel to open the door).

@shoptastic wrote:

I've been avoiding buffets and public restrooms at certain places.

No eating the peantus at TXRH either, since everyone's hands have been all over them. Of course, the germs could easily be all over the table too...but, whatever.

I avoid public bathrooms whenever possible. I know I have a problem. I have been told that.