OMG I Am actually crying laughing. She posted the Nikkster's FB profile.

@gigishopper wrote:

She has screenshot the fb profile of someone on this forum and posted it on her fb saying that this person is crazy. It’s apparently someone on here who has tried to warn people. I won’t put the persons name on here, but initials are NDA.

At this point, instead of guessing and asking a bunch of questions, I'd suggest you go read her FB page and watch a few videos. Your indignation against bullying comes across as admiral, but with some context you might feel differently. Or you might not, but a lot of the questions you are asking are due to not seeing first hand the things being said.

@ServiceAward wrote:

@JSuing wrote:

Some people just like to hear themselves talk.

And some people just like to be bullies. Nobody has bothered to answer any of the questions I've posed. Why is that?

If you all keep harassing her, the only ones Kayla will be laughing at is you.

Are there any men posting on this thread? Her latest "update" is that everyone on this thread is a woman

"It is all women, and that's the sad part. Women should cheer other women on and support them, not tear them down!

I know of at least one man who has posted on this thread. Pretty sure john and bob have too.. but I'm too lazy to look for myself.

@ServiceAward wrote:

I wanted to get on Fiver and sell my knowledge, talents and expertise last year. I made an account and I discovered the market is saturated in my field. Some of the people on there I knew, some I knew were not genuine. Yet, some of the ones that I felt were not genuine, had seller customer reviews. These people had not going through the education and training I have, yet they could very well be making more money than me. It was disheartening when I discovered it and is why I did not go through with creating that content.

I respect your opinion, @drdoggie00.

But was it your intention to get on Fiver, sell your knowledge, and represent to people who were paying you $1,000 each that everything in your videos was true? That's my issue.

I have nothing against anybody making money, Service. It's all about intent. There's way too much here that doesn't pass the sniff test for me.

@Cassiespark You are correct, legally C&Ds are worthless. I said that when I suggested it. However, they serve the purpose of formally documenting the issue and put the potential offender on notice that a lawsuit could be taken out. If the person violates the C&D and a plaintiff has it documented, it can bolster that the person was made aware their actions could be considered libelous. The C&D would be sent to the platform and contact the offender's user ID and the date and time of the posts. The platform would investigate as to whether their TOS were violated, and notify the user. This could lead to a warning from the platform or permeant suspension. While the platform is not liable (at least not under current law), they do cooperate and give up user information if their TOS were violated.

You are also correct she would have to show cause of harm. This would be things like loss of business or damaged reputation. That is a bigger hill to climb, but not impossible. Even if she could not win that, it would require the person sued to have to hire an attorney to defend themselves. I do not see why someone would want to put themselves through that. First, people were angry about her videos, then it turned to she is charging for free information. To that point, if I resell something on eBay that one can get for free, am I bad guy? If so, then by that logic, many sellers would be out of business. People buy readily available free stuff online all the time. I do not know why they do. I've wondered myself. But their money is as a green as anybody else and presumably they are grown adults who know what they are doing.

There was a certain calendar that a non-profit agency sent out to people for free. Someone gave my mom theirs last year. Mom loved it, she liked the pretty pictures. Before Christmas, I looked to see if I could find one on eBay. I did. It was $30. I happily paid $30 for something that I know the person got for free.

I can't figure out whether it is the fact she charges or whether it is the amount she charges that upsets people.

I do think you are right. Her videos are not meant to be taken seriously. It is very possible she was making these wacky videos, gathered a following, then saw there was a demand for help with learning the mystery shopping business. She is savvy, and is now meeting that demand. When I sit back and think about the number of new people who come here and ask a simple question, then get their head bitten off, why is anybody shocked about any of this? People do not want Kayla charging, but people don't want to help anybody for free. "Figure it out for yourself" is comment I've read many times on this board since I joined. Does anybody want to address that? This is now my second time asking.

Her customers will be the final verdict on it. For now it seems like they are supporting her.

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@drdoggie00 wrote:

@ServiceAward wrote:

I wanted to get on Fiver and sell my knowledge, talents and expertise last year. I made an account and I discovered the market is saturated in my field. Some of the people on there I knew, some I knew were not genuine. Yet, some of the ones that I felt were not genuine, had seller customer reviews. These people had not going through the education and training I have, yet they could very well be making more money than me. It was disheartening when I discovered it and is why I did not go through with creating that content.

I respect your opinion, @drdoggie00.

But was it your intention to get on Fiver, sell your knowledge, and represent to people who were paying you $1,000 each that everything in your videos was true? That's my issue.

I have nothing against anybody making money, Service. It's all about intent. There's way too much here that doesn't pass the sniff test for me.

No, I would not knowingly represent something that was not true. I'm less concerned about what she says in her videos. Before someone turns over money to her, I want to know the terms they are agreeing to. I do not know how that works on TikTok. I know with FIVERR you have to clearly state the services you are performing and what is expected.

To put it in terms I can relate to, I accept free returns on eBay. I don't care the reason. I do not openly tell buyers they do not get their original shipping charges back. If someone asked before they bought, then I would tell them. I do not volunteer the information in the listing. I do not have to, as that is spelled out in eBay's TOS and I am well within the TOS. Am I lying to my buyers and; therefore, committing fraud against them?

Is someone who wants $60 in PAD from Trendsource taking advantage of them and their client when they ask for it, knowing they are going that way for other shops? The intent would be to milk as much money as possible by misrepresenting that you are going out of your way to drive 30 miles just for them. People on this very board do that. Or, is it okay since the big, mean MSC and client are the "victim?"

I saw your comment and just looked and its gone. She removed it. Serial mystery shopper and serial comment deleter. Its comical.

@drdoggie00 wrote:

@gigishopper wrote:

The comments that I made on her (your) Tiktok merely stated that this board was free and avalable to anyone who wanted to join (for free). My comments were deleted and I was blocked.

If she was genuinely interested in helping her customers succeed, she wouldn't feel threatened by them knowing this forum exists.

ETA: I just created a Facebook account. One person made a comment about how they wish they could join her program, but they don't have that kind of money to spend. Nowhere do I see where Kayla said, "All of the information is available for free online," or "You can join MysteryShopForum to receive help for free."

Zero interest in helping somebody succeed in this business. It's nothing but a deceptive money grab. Once this well runs dry for her, she'll move on to the next thing. Scammer's gonna scam, grifter's gonna grift.

Sorry, Service. You won't change my mind on this one.

ETA #2:
Person: "I just wish so badly that the program was not so expensive. It would be such a good job, it really IS a lot of money."
Kayla: "I'm so sorry, there's just a lot behind it. It took me 2 years to make this list. I lost money along the way because I fell for scams and there was no support or help. I had to hire my marketing team to help me make this program work. I also am spending so much time on this and giving individual support to everyone for a whole year. This is a lot of work and people that are helping me need to be paid as well. Not to mention the fees that go with website maintenance and all other expenses. There is nothing else out there like this. So many peoples have signed up. One has already made $900 in Orlando, FL"
My comment: "There IS something else out there like this, and it's 100% free. Unfortunately, you keep blocking anybody who posts about it. If you were truly interested in helping others succeed in this business, you wouldn't feel threatened by them knowing free help existed."

I'm sure I'll be blocked just like everybody else here.

ETA #3: Yep. As I predicted, I'm now blocked. Yay!

I see a long list of examples where people help each other here. Not sure what threads you are referring to, but my personal experience is not at all that the usual answer is "Figure it out for yourself". In fact, I just read through the top 20 most recent posts and not a single one has evidence of this. Every single thread has people exchanging information and answering questions. Do you have an example of a thread where someone is told to figure it out for themselves?

I see you still haven't watched her content, but are still asking what everyone is upset about. So i'll answer it for myself: I think people in general don't like to see others get taken advantage of. Thats the outrage here. The cost of living sucks right now. People are struggling. Many are looking for extra ways to make money, and most of those people don't have $1K to throw away on nonsense. I can promise you that someone she has brought in to her program traded grocery money to sign up for this, and thats someone's kids who will eventually suffer. Thats 2 car payments. That a mortgage. This is not insignificant money. Until Kayla's $800k windfall, I'm sure she was in the same boat of needing to earn more. And had she charged something reasonable, maybe $50, for all this "info" she was going to share I wouldn't personally care much.

The second big issue is the misrepresentation of being an expert at Mystery Shopping. She seems to not at all be an expert, and she knows she isn't because she blocks anyone who real-world-shopping information. Imagine if every time you posted something on here that was a question and not a comment like "ServiceAward you are the smartest, bestest, funniest person I've ever met on the internet!" I blocked you? Thats her MO. I realize you don't want to go see for yourself, but thats whats happening. She says repeatedly that her goal is to help people get in to the shopping community, but anyone actually in the shopping community she blocks. The videos she posts are not of programs any of us have seen, and she claims she has her own special program so thats why we don't recognize them. There are thousands of shoppers, and not a single other person is doing this special program that she is doing? And that special program is only in SC? When you start to logic it through, there are too many holes. She doesn't seem to understand what shops actually pay, and if she did she would know that $1k for a program to learn how to do $10 shops is absurd. I reference $10 shops because all of her videos of her "shopping" are at fast food drive ins, or chain stores where she is verifying credit card promotions - those are $10 shops. So I think for me its just the combination of openly making things up, aggressively silencing anyone in the community that she purports to be supporting, and the complete over-reach financially. If you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have to silence/block people in your industry.

So thats why I personally am concerned about what she is doing. I certainly can't speak for others.

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@Cassiespark wrote:

Are there any men posting on this thread? Her latest "update" is that everyone on this thread is a woman

When something gets two pages of comments overnight we tend to run from the drama...

That said, bringing gender into the discussion is a red herring IMHO. The root of the issue is basically MSer vs influencer. We here (both men & women) tend to be task oriented. Everyone I know who does this works HARD for their $$, no matter what shops you are doing. And we are directly connected to that labor/reward.

I see groups of people that have been able to monetize social media, where there's less of a direct one-to-one correlation with the work you do to the money you earn. And their expectation for earnings tends to be higher.

The idea of asking that much money for turning over research is nuts to me, but to each their own. Those who shell out the money without doing the research are just as guilty as those who monetize it, as far as I am concerned. The same goes for all the MS conventions and training classes people shell out their hard-earned money for. There have been quite a few from this very community who have published books on how to become a shopper and profited from it. This is just a digital version of the same profiteering that has been around for a while.

@SteveSoCal wrote:

@Cassiespark wrote:

Are there any men posting on this thread? Her latest "update" is that everyone on this thread is a woman

When something gets two pages of comments overnight we tend to run from the drama...

That said, bringing gender into the discussion is a red herring IMHO. The root of the issue is basically MSer vs influencer. We here (both men & women) tend to be task oriented. Everyone I know who does this works HARD for their $$, no matter what shops you are doing. And we are directly connected to that labor/reward.

I see groups of people that have been able to monetize social media, where there's less of a direct one-to-one correlation with the work you do to the money you earn. And their expectation for earnings tends to be higher.

The idea of asking that much money for turning over research is nuts to me, but to each their own. Those who shell out the money without doing the research are just as guilty as those who monetize it, as far as I am concerned. The same goes for all the MS conventions and training classes people shell out their hard-earned money for. There have been quite a few from this very community who have published books on how to become a shopper and profited from it. This is just a digital version of the same profiteering that has been around for a while.

100%.

Fraud is legally defined as use of deceit, a trick or some dishonest means to deprive another of money, property or a legal right. If she posts false videos of shops and represents herself to have experience or expertise that she does not in order to entice others to pay her to share expertise she does not possess, then a good case can be made for fraud. However, I don't think anyone has suggested filing criminal charges; they merely want to protect others from her falsehoods.

According to a book she wrote, she states she was previously convicted of Felony Fraud. I previously posted a link to the book and it was taken down so maybe I'm not allowed to say this, but if you google her name and author you will see it.

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Good Grief!

Yes and the fraud was writing cold checks out of her own mother’s checking account, per the book overview on Amazon.

@MW wrote:

Fraud is legally defined as use of deceit, a trick or some dishonest means to deprive another of money, property or a legal right. If she posts false videos of shops and represents herself to have experience or expertise that she does not in order to entice others to pay her to share expertise she does not possess, then a good case can be made for fraud. However, I don't think anyone has suggested filing criminal charges; they merely want to protect others from her falsehoods.

According to a book she wrote, she states she was previously convicted of Felony Fraud. I previously posted a link to the book and it was taken down so maybe I'm not allowed to say this, but if you google her name and author you will see it.

While I am a proponent of laissez-faire, we do not live in a perfect world. As such, there are people and their situations, society must serve as watch guards. Predicated strictly upon what I have read in this thread, I am not a user of social websites, I cast a NAY for the subject of these posts.

@ServiceAward wrote:

When I sit back and think about the number of new people who come here and ask a simple question, then get their head bitten off, why is anybody shocked about any of this? People do not want Kayla charging, but people don't want to help anybody for free. "Figure it out for yourself" is comment I've read many times on this board since I joined. Does anybody want to address that? This is now my second time asking.

*raises hand Horshack style* Oooh, oooh, oooh! I'll address it.

The number one question that gets a figurative head bite is, "What company shops (insert specific brand here)?"

Because:
1. The asker needs to do their own research to find out. Most of us have invested that time building our businesses and anyone serious about shopping should do the same.
2. Answering would violate most ICAs and/or forum rules.
3. If a shopper becomes my direct competitor I have to respect that, and want to respect that they worked for it. In that case I wish them all success. But I'm not going to voluntarily hand over my income just because someone asks for it.

The second genre of bite-worthy questions is the one including questions or comments about doing illegal or unethical things.

Such as:
1. How to avoid paying taxes.
2. Cheating on shops by not doing what is required.

And then there is the occasional new poster that shows up with a crazy rant about an MSC, poster, scheduler or whatever, with no proof or examples of what the problem was. We've all seen them. Most of us just go, "Huh?" But sometimes a head is bitten.

That's all I've got for now.

Removed

If she's on this forum she made a tik tok showing some of your "names" in it. If she is not on this forum someone told her about it.

@Ilovetoshop. She did post in this thread.

What is her name on here?

This is Kayla Laughs Out Loud, my orginal account was blocked from this discussion (well noted for legal action).

I have been in contact with a lawyer in Charleston, SC and will be meeting with them later this week. I have been taking screenshots of this whole discussion for hours now. I have nothing against any of you except what you are trying to do to me. Everyone on here refuses to hear me out and let me explain what I'm doing and why, so I gave up on repeating myself.

I am and have been a MS for 13 years. Those shops I do that you claim are fake, I've been hired by the franchise owners to do them even the privately owned companies I do this for and my list is growing. I'm very well-known and loved by many.

As far as my Mystery Shopping Program and Private community there is nothing illegal about it! My training looks nothing like my videos, but none of you would know, because you are not part of that. Some of my shoppers have already done enough shops to get their investment back. I'm offering this because when i first started to MS 13 years ago, I was scammed out of around $500 and lost about the same amount due to not having any help or anyone to call. I've given these people mu actual phone number. Some of my clients have looked for help elsewhere, but are told pretty much that they are on their own. As a long time entrepreneur, I know how to find opportunities/needs and create services for them. I have owned and sold a handful of businesses and will forever do so. That's why at my 37 years of age I have all that I do on my own.

I'm offering a full service to learn and have true support threw the whole journey. There is nothing illegal or dishonest about it.

I have taken screenshots of all of these comments, comments on my social media pages, email, messages and more. I'm not kidding about the lawsuit for slander. I've been a very successful process server since 2012 and I have an endless list of law firms and attorneys that would and will fight for me on this for free.

None of you have the right to come on my pages and try to discredit me without even joining my course and seeing forever yourself that there isn't any fraud. Do none of you understand anyone can sell information about anything? You could make w course online about making a PB&J right now!

I've never been to this forum before until a follower sent me the link. I have nothing against any of you and wish the best for all of you, but this is getting way out of hand and it will stop one way or another. I'm an extremely nice and good person.

I really don't want to waste my time sueing all of you and the owner of this forum, but if I need to i will. So let's have a civil and rational agreement now that this craziness will stop please? Tomorrow I'm about to drop 10k on advertising for my program and my lawyer told me if any of you continue to slander and harass I can and will sue for slander, defamation, and loss of potential sales/income. This is not a game I want to play.

Again, I'm here to be civil and calm. I await your replies. Have a safe and happy Memorial Day weekend!

I understand the slander part so you might want to rethink what people you screenshot and post on your FB page. You are here telling your side of your story yet your are slandering schedulers on your personal FB page? Those that live in glass houses......

As for scamming folks out of hard earned money why not advise them that the list you want to give them is 100% free and that you probably took it from this forum.

Let's not forget that on your Tik Tok page that I can see right now you have said you are shopping certain locations that simply are not mystery shopped anymore per the Veteran's on this page.

Good luck with your slander lawsuit or whatever you claim to be doing I hope all the people on this page will reach out to the scheduler you slandered on your FB page. Karma.

She posted at herself, but then was removed. Jacob has a post on this above.

I was hired by the franchise owner.

I can totally understand that this part is possible. Are you saying that ALL of your mystery shops are you being hired by the owners?

You clearly didn't read my whole post before commenting.... I've never been on this page until Thursday when I was alerted about it. I made my list over many years.

Also, Nikki was messaging my members in private messages telling them I was a fraud and scammer. I have the right to address that and fight back. I have the screenshots people are sending me. She copied and pasted the same message to so many people.

You can't come on here and speak of slander and then say it's ok to slander someone else. Take it up with Nikki if that's the case. Have you done so on FB?

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Nikki has been around the industry for a while on both sides of it, so she has a pretty good knowledge of how it works.

@ksansom wrote:

This is Kayla Laughs Out Loud, my orginal account was blocked from this discussion (well noted for legal action).

I have been in contact with a lawyer in Charleston, SC and will be meeting with them later this week....

To say this as nice as i can - you shoud invest in some bigger shoulder pads. Under your 'law suit' the entire internet would be sued and in court. They have tried to shut down multiple private groups under the sams idea. Its freedom of speech and people are allowed to voice their opinion about things of intrest. Go to any social media reel about pbj and you will have 1k comments how cps should be called on the mom because she gave her kid pbj for lunch. Get with reality. Get some shoulder pads.

Also, ironic you are complaining about having your account blocked on here but yet you have blocked every single person who commented on your stuff.

You were alerted about this page when this thread first started because I commented on one of your Tiktoks asking you if you were concered about violating IC agreements and mentioning this forum on another Tiktok when you were mentioning selling your services for $1,000. Why did you block me? I was very polite. Why do you block anyone who challenges you or has an honest concern about what you are posting. Educate us. Blocking us only raises red flags.

@ksansom wrote:

You clearly didn't read my whole post before commenting.... I've never been on this page until Thursday when I was alerted about it. I made my list over many years.

Also, Nikki was messaging my members in private messages telling them I was a fraud and scammer. I have the right to address that and fight back. I have the screenshots people are sending me. She copied and pasted the same message to so many people.