To mask or not to mask.... here is some of the answer.....

Even a rather dense judge would want to know why you put a target on the outside of your front fence rather than in your back yard if you did not want others using it.

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Or co-workers "Going postal."

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Shop-et-al 8k 5y
It is a good thing that you are here and not in workplaces, where hostility leads to costly lawsuits.

sestrahelena


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/30/2020 06:47PM by sestrahelena.
So I was in a few stores today. I wore my mask as much as possible. Periodically, I had to slide it down in order to get a full breath. I do not know if anyone saw this or cared about it if they did see me doing this. Breathing is good! I decided that from now on, if I notice that someone is adjusting their mask or removing it for a few seconds, I will hope they are getting more breath, clearing their eyeglass lenses, or letting sweat dry.. I absolutely will not report them, shade them, or confront them.

It is surprising that a group of well-educated folks would balk at the fact that some people experience unwanted side effects of wearing masks and even throw shade at this medical concern and people who experience it. Live and learn...

Spring being a tough act to follow, God created June.- Al Bernstein
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I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born. - Ronald Reagan
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If you are unable to discriminate between annoyance with those totally disrespectful of their own health and safety (as well as the health and safety of others) and those who try to respectfully find ways to comply then the issue is 100% yours. "I can't" and "I won't" are very different from "I try to find ways to make it work as best I can."

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/01/2020 02:00AM by Flash.
3 things:

1. Yesterday, I was reminded that some people read lips. They cannot read masked lips.
2. The letter writer from the opening post had another entry in op-ed. The title is 'Attempted refutations of ineffectiveness of masks fail' and if you click the link and scroll down the page, you can find what he said next, including his commentary regarding journal editors who did not permit revision.
3. Here is the link to this week's letter: [www.laramieboomerang.com]

Spring being a tough act to follow, God created June.- Al Bernstein
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I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born. - Ronald Reagan
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Loved that!

I also loved a mask idea... teachers want their students to see their faces and get the most from communications. The blurb showed a clear plastic mask (looked stiff and not likely to collapse on the face!) with black binding. So now I am trying to find this one again. Is it a prototype? Still in the design stage? ?

Spring being a tough act to follow, God created June.- Al Bernstein
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I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born. - Ronald Reagan
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Good info to know. I’ve wondered about the masks with exhalation valves. Now I know that they’re not recommended by the CDC.
So, I'm checking out at the grocery store. Not a shop. A customer comes in and the cashier reminds him to put on his mask. "I'm not trying to get killed by these people," she mutters from under the mask that she wears only on her mouth. SMH

sestrahelena
I think they need to put up a page somewhere that shames the people that will not wear a mask. Like that would do any good you know that muckenburg would take it down right away so would the other major ones. so it is mute anyway.
No shaming. Ever.

Thank you.

Spring being a tough act to follow, God created June.- Al Bernstein
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I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born. - Ronald Reagan
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@sestrahelena wrote:

So, I'm checking out at the grocery store. Not a shop. A customer comes in and the cashier reminds him to put on his mask. "I'm not trying to get killed by these people," she mutters from under the mask that she wears only on her mouth. SMH
Yeah. Some still don't know how to wear a mask. Or, they have a condition maybe where the exposed nose helps them breathe better.

And, for others, it can be just a slipped mask. I was talking to my pharmacy associate and her mask slipped partially below her nostrils. I was staring at it and I think she felt I was staring and realized her mask was down. She fixed it. I stopped staring. smiling smiley
@2stepps wrote:

I think they need to put up a page somewhere that shames the people that will not wear a mask. Like that would do any good you know that muckenburg would take it down right away so would the other major ones. so it is mute anyway.
It could make some even more defiant.

Sadly, Americans are at war over this issue.

I've been really depressed lately. This country is falling apart. sad smiley Not just from COVID...but so many other things.
Saw a disturbing blurb. Supposedly, a US Vet was told they could not wear an American flag mask at their grocery store job. They quit.

If this happened and this is real news, re-education should... start... N O W !

Spring being a tough act to follow, God created June.- Al Bernstein
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I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born. - Ronald Reagan
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I was doing a shop, and the associate's mask would not stay up...he was continually fiddling with it. In the report I gave him credit for wearing one, but commented that he had an issue through no fault of his own.
@shoptastic wrote:

And, for others, it can be just a slipped mask. I was talking to my pharmacy associate and her mask slipped partially below her nostrils. I was staring at it and I think she felt I was staring and realized her mask was down. She fixed it. I stopped staring. smiling smiley

Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. Eleanor Roosevelt
a.) There are also those who wear the "useless" face shields where the bottom is completely exposed to air.

I bought some of those, but would only wear them in combination with a traditional mask.

We need mask education. Actually, my very first two times, I forgot to "stretch" them to cover my nose and chin properly. People looked at me too! They might have felt mine wasn't used properly. You have to stretch those masks (but don't break them either, lol)!

b.) And there is another variant. The person who wears their mask properly, but pulls it down to talk! I was at my doctor's office and the front-desk attendant did this. I was appalled. Yes, her voice is muffled, but I could hear it. Wish she'd kept her mask up and not done that to talk. Defeats the purpose of a mask!
Well, let's say I have COPD and heart failure with the Covid-19 if you are not wearing a mask and you do not step back even when you have been asked. Does that mean that I can shoot you for assault or attempted murder? Or have I just opened up a can of wormy food?

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@Shop-et-al wrote:

Remember Benjamin Franklin? He once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

This was issued in a different time, but the essential principal is the same.

Please do not throw tomatoes at this mask-wearing cynic/skeptic.
No tomatoes thrown. smiling smiley

I think I've said this before, but to repeat (maybe slightly modified): I think we also have to consider how values interact with each other.

Individual liberty is certainly an important value and I do think we can overstep its bounds by allowing government to control too much of our lives/decisions. But, equally important (to our founding fathers and many other moral systems), are a whole host of other values that can be implicated in everyday life, including:

safety (right to not be harmed)
privacy (no unreasonable searches, surveillance, etc.)
religious freedom
freedom of speech
private property
racial equality (obv. added later)
etc.

What happens when multiple rights/values interact in some situation? Does one take priority over the other(s)? I think sometimes it can and should. For example, safety often trumps other rights, but I think for good reasons.

Take freedom of speech. One cannot falsely yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, as that poses a safety hazard for crowded patrons, who may trample each other trying to find an exit. Likewise, you cannot use free speech to incite a riot or violence. When it comes to COVID masks, I think there is a similar principle: under normal circumstances, you should not be forced to wear a piece of clothing if you do not want to. But, if it is to protect against the spreading of a highly infectious and/or highly deadly virus (w/ implications on overwhelming the healthcare system), then safety comes first.

By the way, what do you think of seat belts? Are they an infringement upon our individual liberties? Why are they required? Most people wear them to protect themselves, but what if someone doesn't care and think they are a hassle to put on? Are the required by law, b/c you person without one may hurt others (like get ejected from the car and get hurled into someone/something)? I genuinely don't know, but am curious about it.

Lastly, would Benjamin Franklin's "essential liberties" include the right to not wear a face mask? Or, are those essential ones more like freedom of speech and religion?
Simply put, you wear a mask to protect others.

Do not read so much, look about you and think of what you see there.
Richard Feynman-- letter to Ashok Arora, 4 January 1967, published in Perfectly Reasonable Deviations from the Beaten Track (2005) p. 230
@Mert wrote:

Me, too! Mask, eyeglasses often fogged, distancing, breath holding. Additionally, I turn my back on anyone trespassing into my space. I also have no problem telling trespassers to back off.

I use an anti fog wipe on my glasses and that stops the fog. They sell them at eyeglass places and Walmart.
The anti-fog wipe is a goodie!

Spring being a tough act to follow, God created June.- Al Bernstein
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I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born. - Ronald Reagan
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@whosear wrote:

Simply put, you wear a mask to protect others.
It truly is that simple. And, in turn, this ultimately comes back around to protect oneself (whether intended or not).
In brief, the mad power trip behind forced masking [follow the money, study the world's history, and remember the founding of a nation by fed-up oppressed souls] might be a previously unidentified symptom of covid.

Spring being a tough act to follow, God created June.- Al Bernstein
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I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born. - Ronald Reagan
_____
@Shop-et-al wrote:

In brief, the mad power trip behind forced masking [follow the money, study the world's history, and remember the founding of a nation by fed-up oppressed souls] might be a previously unidentified symptom of covid.
What do you think of this article arguing the Founding Fathers would have supported face masks:
[www.bloomberg.com]

@ wrote:

The limitations on movement, commerce and fashion (by which I mean face-mask mandates) that have been imposed to fight Covid-19 in the U.S. this year have been decried in some quarters as unprecedented and unconstitutional affronts to liberty. As is apparent from the historical example above, there’s nothing unprecedented about restricting freedom in the name of fighting infectious disease. There’s nothing unconstitutional either: The U.S. Supreme Court explicitly endorsed state quarantine powers in 1824, and though citizens have occasionally challenged the application of those powers as violations of the due process clauses of the Fifth and 14th Amendments, they have usually lost their court cases.
Lemme see.....according to assorted historical records and a little logic, they did not let females vote and they might not have known much about trans and gender non-conforming persons.Thus, at most they would have allowed apparent males to have masks. No one else would have been seen as human and therefore worthy of their day's version of PPE.

Spring being a tough act to follow, God created June.- Al Bernstein
_____
I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born. - Ronald Reagan
_____
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