The pay for the work required is absurdly low and getting lower.

Well, since you mentioned George Washington, I am compelled to ask the following follow-up question, "Who was the first president of the United States?" And for the purposes of this question, I will equate "United States" with "The United States of America"
@Irene_L.A. wrote:

I was taught a very long time ago at my High school "George Washington High" America consists of our beautiful 50 states, have things changed while I turned my back?

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I wonder if there are any active members of this forum who were taught in high school (ages 13 to 18 for the sake of clarity) that there were either 48 or 49 states?

There could actually be someone on the Forum who was alive when there were only 47 states, and if they are still shopping, I am amazed and I salute them!
@Irene_L.A. wrote:

I was taught a very long time ago at my High school "George Washington High" America consists of our beautiful 50 states, have things changed while I turned my back?

Shopping Southeast Pennsylvania, Delaware above the canal, and South Jersey since 2008
I think that Irene might be our most senior forum member. At least that I know of. And it's not my place to disclose her age, though she has posted the number before smiling smiley
We have a winner. It was John Hanson. This is a great article that summarizes his accomplishments: [www.constitutionfacts.com]
@JASFLALMT wrote:

[www.constitution.org]

Shopping Southeast Pennsylvania, Delaware above the canal, and South Jersey since 2008
The 49th and 50th states joined the Union in 1959 so...

@myst4au wrote:

I wonder if there are any active members of this forum who were taught in high school (ages 13 to 18 for the sake of clarity) that there were either 48 or 49 states?

There could actually be someone on the Forum who was alive when there were only 47 states, and if they are still shopping, I am amazed and I salute them!
@Irene_L.A. wrote:

I was taught a very long time ago at my High school "George Washington High" America consists of our beautiful 50 states, have things changed while I turned my back?

Kim
There were 48 states, then Hawaii and Alaska made 50 if my memory is correct. I now say 50 states because that is what we have. Seems folks are getting a bit picky, history is what it is, we are living in the now.

Live consciously....


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Alaska and Hawaii entered as states in 1959 - I was 11 years old and I remember going from 48 to 50 states while studying states and their capitals in school (something that is not done anymore) - and yes, I'm still mystery shopping! And NO, I do not consider myself ancient!

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@iShop123 wrote:

A criminal is someone who commits a crime. Improper Entry is a crime.

Improper entry is a misdemeanor most of the time. Like speeding tickets and 100 other minor things that most of us do. I know exactly 0 people over the age of 18 that have not committed a misdemeanor. So that means we are all criminals!

There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
@CureMS wrote:

Researchers suggest that undocumented immigrants may be less likely to engage in serious criminal offending behavior because they seek to earn money and not to draw attention to themselves.

To expand on this topic. The narrative that undocumented immigrants are here to live off our tax money, etc, is simply counter intuitive. Let's just think for a minute. It's 1800 miles from Tegucigalpa, Honduras to Laredo, TX. How much work, determination, and intestinal fortitude does it take to make that trek by foot? Most people who live in the same level of poverty in the US won't walk 180 miles for a better life. Much less 10x that. Do you REALLY think someone is going to go to that much trouble to a, mooch off the US government at a standard of living less than what they could by working (that we already know they are capable of they just walked 1800 miles) and b, kill murder rape and steal when doing so will have them flown right back to where they just walked 1809 miles from

Or is it just simply racism? They don't even know English they can't possibly be a contribution to society

There are reasons that a body stays in motion
At the moment only demons come to mind
As I was in high school in the 50s, I seem to recall that Alaska was the 49th state, but that the flag makers lobbied for a slight postpone of Hawaii, which entered that summer. There was actually a 49 state flag, with seven rows of seven stars.
I wonder how many flaws there are in war movies made over the past several decades where they show the flag and it has 50 stars? I guess no one is going to freezeframe and count them...LOL.
The mods are only going to moderate what gets reported. It's not like they read every thread.

@LindaM wrote:

I totally agree with you about the racial element. Considering how active the moderator is on here, it’s interesting to see what they choose to moderate.

@Irene_L.A. wrote:

Well written and true, having been to Mexico City countless times through the past years, and enjoyed their amazing resorts, Cancun, Cabo and such, I know the wonderful gracious people of Mexico. I felt a racist element in his post, and got caught up. Mexico and America especially L.A. had a wonderful relationship, and now this and what for. Don't act like America doesn't have a huge drug problem and shootings on a daily basis.
My post had nothing to do with the border problems...just the rise in food and I didn't blame Mexico or avocado's...lol
That was proven beyond a doubt recently!!!

@JASFLALMT wrote:

The mods are only going to moderate what gets reported. It's not like they read every thread.

@LindaM wrote:

I totally agree with you about the racial element. Considering how active the moderator is on here, it’s interesting to see what they choose to moderate.

@Irene_L.A. wrote:

Well written and true, having been to Mexico City countless times through the past years, and enjoyed their amazing resorts, Cancun, Cabo and such, I know the wonderful gracious people of Mexico. I felt a racist element in his post, and got caught up. Mexico and America especially L.A. had a wonderful relationship, and now this and what for. Don't act like America doesn't have a huge drug problem and shootings on a daily basis.
My post had nothing to do with the border problems...just the rise in food and I didn't blame Mexico or avocado's...lol

Kim
I dunno about absurdly low. Some assignments are absurdly easy, and their fee should be commensurately low. However, each shopper can figure out fuel costs, mileage, other travel costs, etc. and get an additional payment which is separate from a fee.

@SoCalMama wrote:

Original Topic:

The pay for the work required is absurdly low and getting lower.

Bach is not noise, Madam. (Robert, in Two's Company)
Like the BJ's Brewhouse curbside shop I did. Some of it I did on the Mobi app while waiting to go pick up the food. Then I took photos on my phone using the app upon arriving home, and then finished the report on my desktop. I just ate some pretty good food with a generous reimbursement of $35, much simpler shop than anything ACL ever had to offer. Heck yeah!
Noticing on a site, they advertise one job for 80.00, then reading the job, it is for 8 jobs at 10.00 each.

Live consciously....
@myst4au wrote:

We have a winner. It was John Hanson. This is a great article that summarizes his accomplishments: [www.constitutionfacts.com]
@JASFLALMT wrote:

[www.constitution.org]

While Hanson is a good answer, an argument could also be made that John Hamilton was the first president of the United States. The United States came into being on July 2, 1776 (not July 4) when the Second Continental Congress voted independence. Hamilton was president of that body.

Hanson served under the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union (commonly called the Articles of Confederation) which was not ratified until March 1, 1781. Although it could be argued - and rightly - that the Second Continental Congress was not sovereign, sovereignty rested with the individual state, to say that the United States did not exist until the Articles is not right.
@MFJohnston wrote:

But, beyond that, the Center for Immigration Studies (a pro-immigrant group) has detailed statistics showing that there is indeed a higher rate of crime and incarceration among non-citizens.

The Center for Immigration Studies is hardly pro-immigrant. Its mission is to reduce immigration. I've met Mark Krikorian, its director, and can tell you he is about as anti-immigration as one can get without becoming an overt and violent nativist.

The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies the Center for Immigration Studies as a hate group. CIS has also published reports with questionable methodology.

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I was just looking at the mission statement they had online.....


@Rousseau wrote:

@MFJohnston wrote:

But, beyond that, the Center for Immigration Studies (a pro-immigrant group) has detailed statistics showing that there is indeed a higher rate of crime and incarceration among non-citizens.

The Center for Immigration Studies is hardly pro-immigrant. Its mission is to reduce immigration. I've met Mark Krikorian, its director, and can tell you he is about as anti-immigration as one can get without becoming an overt and violent nativist.

The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies the Center for Immigration Studies as a hate group. CIS has also published reports with questionable methodology.

Hard work builds character and homework is good for your soul.
I would argue that being President of the Continental Congress is not the same title as being President of the United States in Congress Assembled (as was John Hanson).

BUT - and this is a BIG BUT - if one accepts your argument, then I contend that the right answer would be Peyton Randolph who was President of the First Continental Congress and carried on in the same role to the Second Continental Congress. He was succeeded by John Hancock. It gets even murkier because Henry Middleton was the presiding officer for a few days before Peyton Randolph. And guess who preceded Henry Middleton? My new hero, Peyton Reynolds!
@Rousseau wrote:

@myst4au wrote:

We have a winner. It was John Hanson. This is a great article that summarizes his accomplishments: [www.constitutionfacts.com]
@JASFLALMT wrote:

[www.constitution.org]

While Hanson is a good answer, an argument could also be made that John Hamilton was the first president of the United States. The United States came into being on July 2, 1776 (not July 4) when the Second Continental Congress voted independence. Hamilton was president of that body.

Hanson served under the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union (commonly called the Articles of Confederation) which was not ratified until March 1, 1781. Although it could be argued - and rightly - that the Second Continental Congress was not sovereign, sovereignty rested with the individual state, to say that the United States did not exist until the Articles is not right.

Shopping Southeast Pennsylvania, Delaware above the canal, and South Jersey since 2008
@myst4au wrote:

I would argue that being President of the Continental Congress is not the same title as being President of the United States in Congress Assembled (as was John Hanson).

BUT - and this is a BIG BUT - if one accepts your argument, then I contend that the right answer would be Peyton Randolph who was President of the First Continental Congress and carried on in the same role to the Second Continental Congress. He was succeeded by John Hancock. It gets even murkier because Henry Middleton was the presiding officer for a few days before Peyton Randolph. And guess who preceded Henry Middleton? My new hero, Peyton Reynolds!

Good of you to remind of the First Continental Congress. I exclude it and the early presidency in the Second as it was not only the passage of the resolution on independency that the United States existed. I woukd hold they Peyton was but President of the United Colonies, not that they were very united. However, it depends on how one measures what it means to be a state. One could argue that in raising an army to fight the Crown and dispatching diplomats to London, the United Colonies was acting as a state.
@Irene_L.A. wrote:

Noticing on a site, they advertise one job for 80.00, then reading the job, it is for 8 jobs at 10.00 each.

Bait-and-switch.
@Christy330 wrote:

Your post is highly offensive to several groups of people. If you don't like whats being offered as pay, im quiet sure you always find another means of income. I myself am a stay at home mom, who does this to help with the smaller exspenses. Daycare is outrageous, and i were to work, i'd basically be doing it to pay for daycare. So before you saddle up on that high horse of yours, understand that you never know what someone's situation in life is. Nobody is forcing you to do this, so you can quit at any time.

Why bother commenting then? I swear, I have never encountered people before who pride themselves in working for little money, and seem to lobby in favor of not making more. If people need the bucks like I do, then one would think that they want more.

And...I am not perfect. I make mistakes. But, when I see spelling errors, I correct them.

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@jameschicago wrote:

@Christy330 wrote:

Your post is highly offensive to several groups of people. If you don't like whats being offered as pay, im quiet sure you always find another means of income. I myself am a stay at home mom, who does this to help with the smaller exspenses. Daycare is outrageous, and i were to work, i'd basically be doing it to pay for daycare. So before you saddle up on that high horse of yours, understand that you never know what someone's situation in life is. Nobody is forcing you to do this, so you can quit at any time.

Why bother commenting then? I swear, I have never encountered people before who pride themselves in working for little money, and seem to lobby in favor of not making more. If people need the bucks like I do, then one would think that they want more.

And...I am not perfect. I make mistakes. But, when I see spelling errors, I correct them.

I do not know what "several groups" of people to which you are referring, but it appears they would be an example of the people that a person being evaluated would be upset by if they found out about those people doing the evaluating. I know that I would.

Christy330 no longer exists.....Spicy1?
@SoCalMama wrote:

@jameschicago wrote:

@Christy330 wrote:

Your post is highly offensive to several groups of people. If you don't like whats being offered as pay, im quiet sure you always find another means of income. I myself am a stay at home mom, who does this to help with the smaller exspenses. Daycare is outrageous, and i were to work, i'd basically be doing it to pay for daycare. So before you saddle up on that high horse of yours, understand that you never know what someone's situation in life is. Nobody is forcing you to do this, so you can quit at any time.

Why bother commenting then? I swear, I have never encountered people before who pride themselves in working for little money, and seem to lobby in favor of not making more. If people need the bucks like I do, then one would think that they want more.

And...I am not perfect. I make mistakes. But, when I see spelling errors, I correct them.

I do not know what "several groups" of people to which you are referring, but it appears they would be an example of the people that a person being evaluated would be upset by if they found out about those people doing the evaluating. I know that I would.

Christy330 no longer exists.....Spicy1?

I wonder why the posts still show, then.
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