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March 18, 2020 04:57AM
@msimon-2000 wrote:

Australia does not currently have a "Massive" outbreak. They have reported 454 cases as of today with more than half of those being traced back to travelers from the affected areas in the Northern Hemisphere.

Yeah, that's good to look into. There was a WSJ (IIRC) article today on how Hong Kong, Singapore, and I think another Asian country saw a second wave of COVID19. BUT, it seemed linked to travelers COMING BACK INTO those countries bringing it with them.

This is definitely a good question to research. I have some time, so will dig into it...are these outbreaks in warmer places linked heavily to international travelers importing it back with them? Good Q.

eta: And, as Fair noted on the previous page's quote, it might not be warmth that is the factor, but rather the length of day and exposure to direct sunlight. Maybe warmth is just statistical noise (an indirectly correlated variable) and sunlight is the real determinant/causal factor.

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March 18, 2020 04:59AM
^^^Here's the WSJ article:

[www.wsj.com]

It's behind a subscriber wall, so I cannot access it fully.

LA Times asked the question of whether a stronger sun will "chase away coronavirus" (March 17, 2020):
[www.latimes.com]

Pretty much says the same thing I've been seeing. Maybe. We just don't know - this is a new virus.

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March 18, 2020 05:10AM
And if not already stated in the last 18 pages of comments, the figures in the US are presumed to be severe, that had respiratory distress. Some were reported through The Flu Study in Seattle, so it would include mild cases.

Do not read so much, look about you and think of what you see there.
Richard Feynman-- letter to Ashok Arora, 4 January 1967, published in Perfectly Reasonable Deviations from the Beaten Track (2005) p. 230
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March 18, 2020 05:13AM
As for me, driving into Indianapolis for a CT scan of my lungs was easy. Not the usual traffic. My appointment was at 5 PM so not many patients and staff. They had special precautions in place.

Grocery store: Doing bunches of shops. Sunday: no water, toilet paper, beef, chicken or seafood. Plenty of pork.

Monday: no potatoes and the canned goods looked picked over.

Do not read so much, look about you and think of what you see there.
Richard Feynman-- letter to Ashok Arora, 4 January 1967, published in Perfectly Reasonable Deviations from the Beaten Track (2005) p. 230
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March 18, 2020 07:55AM
Coronavirus is a big thing with my family right now. My brother and his family are under self-quarantine because my niece was studying in Venice. This would be a pimple on my face, if it weren't for the fact that someone needs to check on my Dad most days. He's over 98 1/2. I've been with him for all of the SQ days, plus the week before due to his other issues.

I will not be able to work unless it's on the phone or internet. I don't dare. Well I could, but, I'm not the chick who wants to be accused of killing her father for a few bucks.

I definitely do not want to be the chick that would be the person who starts a new cluster and people get sick, die or survive and have to deal with a few months of physical therapy for their respiratory system,

Live your life in such a way that when your feet hit the floor in the morning; the devil shudders...And yells OH #%*+! SHE'S AWAKE!
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March 18, 2020 09:23AM
I quit. For now. Not too many MS jobs out there right now but the real reason is that the world has gotten so weird that it's freaking me out. A lot. People's behaviors. And I have learned in the past that when there is a big disaster the real danger is not the thing itself, it's people and what they do. Best to stay as invisible as possible. I will hide at home in my relatively safe place and have no part of the craziness.
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March 18, 2020 10:54AM
On the bright side: "Someday" is NOW! I have time to do the things I would get to -someday. Planting the veg. garden is top priority, it will be needed. Fishing is also priority because it's food with the added bonus of being away from people in a quiet, soothing natural environment. Deep cleaning, repairing, organizing and purging the home is also on the list. PLUS, I made too much money last year and had to pay tax so I needed to be stopped. Win win.
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March 18, 2020 10:56AM
I only had a few shops scheduled and they were with MF and all were canceled. If the MSC had not canceled them, I would have. I have COPD and have had a tumor in 2011 and one in 2013 that were taken care of with radiation. Besides that I am going on 83 so considered high risk. I have plenty of food in the house and nothing on my calendar other than a dr. appt. next week that I have called to see if it can be done with a telephone call rather than an in-house visit with the dr. My daughter is an RN and my SIL is a pulmonary therapist. My daughter called last Friday to make sure I was taking this seriously and I am. I read a letter that was posted on our local Next Door written by a woman in Italy and it scared the heck out of me. Scary, scary times! What ticks me off is when folks start fingerpointing and/or complaining about what the Pres. is or isn't doing. This is something no one ever dreamed of happening. And I do think that now that they are doing some serious testing the numbers will definitely increase. Interesting to note that no cases have been reported in West Virginia - maybe because they haven't done any testing?
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March 18, 2020 01:29PM
Apparently, I'm now a Youtuber. Daily videos, like and subscribe, hit that button so you don't miss a video. This should be interesting. My first video involved about eight takes.
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March 18, 2020 01:31PM
Does that mean you have your own bloopers too? That could be entertaining smiling smiley

@Niner wrote:

Apparently, I'm now a Youtuber. Daily videos, like and subscribe, hit that button so you don't miss a video. This should be interesting. My first video involved about eight takes.

Kim
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March 18, 2020 01:57PM
There are confirmed cases in West Virginia. All 50 states have been hit as well as DC.

"I told myself to quit you; but I don't listen to drunks." -Chris Stapleton
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March 18, 2020 02:31PM
@plmccut wrote:

This is something no one ever dreamed of happening.

It's my understanding that most virologists dream (or at least have nightmares) about this sort of thing happening on a regular basis. That's their job...

When I hear people complain about the US government's response, or lack thereof, it's often due to a group of said virologists being let go from government positions. A swifter response would simply save lives.

Without pointing fingers, I will just point out that the US is now 2 days away from matching the numbers in Italy when the government locked the whole country down. It would be nice to see a federal response to this pandemic that matches the seriousness of the action taken in Italy. We have spring breakers partying on the beach in Florida!

Not to say that any country is going to be without merit or scorn in how they handled this pandemic. China ultimately returned a strong response, but initially tried to quiet the doctor who warned about the virus.

Not sure if I posted the link here yet, but the JHU website has an interactive map that will tell you the confirmed cases in your state:

[coronavirus.jhu.edu]
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March 18, 2020 02:51PM
While I in general agree with you on this SteveSoCal. I want to point out Italy (62 million) and the U.S. (330 million) have quite a different population count. It's one of my little irritations when I keep reading all the direct comparisons about how we are where Italy was X days ago. The other is that Italy had tested far more of its people than the US. The US numbers are almost worthless right now since so few test per capita have been/ are being performed.

Communities feel safe because there are only a few reported cases but the CDC is only recommending/ allowing testing of people showing all symptoms AND have been in contact w a Covid19 person or outbreak area (at least in our area). The guy in Ca. that gave his wife CPR when she died with Covid19 and now has some symptoms himself isn't approved for testing because he doesn't meet the criteria.

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March 18, 2020 03:09PM
As I wait for my phone to charge for my last set of shops for the week. One other big adjustment I've made is showering. I love my morning shower but have adjusted so as soon as I return from my shop route I put all my shopping clothes in the wash and immediately take a shower then wash my clothes and the towels. I really miss morning showers.

I learned this from an amazing ER nurse that travels to disaster areas in times of crises (as well as the million other"little" things she does on her time off like clown for children's hospitals). A true angel I hope is staying healthy.

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March 18, 2020 03:15PM
@wwin wrote:

While I in general agree with you on this SteveSoCal. I want to point out Italy (62 million) and the U.S. (330 million) have quite a different population count. It's one of my little irritations when I keep reading all the direct comparisons about how we are where Italy was X days ago. The other is that Italy had tested far more of its people than the US. The US numbers are almost worthless right now since so few test per capita have been/ are being performed.

Agreed on the per capita issue...and that there are many other factors to take into consideration. Population density is also a big factor. It really just depends on what you want to measure. The top of the US curve is certainly going to have higher raw numbers than Italy, since we have more people. I feel like the point of the numerical chart, rather than using the per capita curve, is to demonstrate the similarities in how the number increases exponentially.

In both the US and Italy, the time it took to move from 620 to 3,300 was approximately 7 days, and the same holds true for the spread from 6,200 to nearly 33,000 in Italy, so with the US now being 10 days behind in terms of raw numbers, it would seem that we are only 17 days behind in terms of a per capita response (and that doesn't take the lack of testing into account).
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March 18, 2020 03:22PM
@shoptastic wrote:

[www.theguardian.com]

France warns not to take ibuprofen and cortisone if you have COVID19 symptoms, as they can make it worse.

*********I'D PUT AN ASTERISK ON THIS************

Seeing new "contradictory" articles (you all can Google this topic).

Not sure now if advice is sound.
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March 18, 2020 03:30PM
I have a friend in the Jewish home and no visitors allowed, they are being above board careful not to let the seniors come in contact with anyone from the outside, and even shut down their dining room, bringing meals to their rooms. Hard to believe a post stating an aging home "wants" to be shopped.

Live consciously....
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March 18, 2020 03:33PM
@Irene_L.A. wrote:

Hard to believe a post stating an aging home "wants" to be shopped.

Brings new meaning to the "10 foot pole shop" expression. Perhaps we make these kind a 6 foot pole....
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March 18, 2020 03:41PM
I know the government had developed a plan for the event of a zombie apocalypse (true, look it up) maybe it, or a variation of it, could be useful now?
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March 18, 2020 03:51PM
@sestrahelena wrote:

I know the government had developed a plan for the event of a zombie apocalypse (true, look it up) maybe it, or a variation of it, could be useful now?

Or perhaps we could follow a plan already set out for general pandemics....

While one part of me feels like a governmental plan for zombies is BS, they did apparently put a lot $$ in ESP research.
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March 18, 2020 03:55PM
Whatever it is, it probably involves disposing of anyone who may be a threat.
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March 18, 2020 04:01PM
This intrigued me and I thought about this for awhile recently. I have not discounted the basic concepts.

It has not been possible to conduct sufficient research and connect the ideas with current or future cases of COVID-19. No one knows how the hypothesis would withstand rigorous investigation. However, known information suggests that some people with kidney and other conditions might consider other products and approaches. Everyone is unique, has their individual differences, and should consult a medical professional regarding their concerns and situations. Nothing is equally impactful for all persons, and the basic idea might be relevant for some patients and inconsequential for others.

@shoptastic wrote:

@shoptastic wrote:

[www.theguardian.com]

France warns not to take ibuprofen and cortisone if you have COVID19 symptoms, as they can make it worse.

*********I'D PUT AN ASTERISK ON THIS************

Seeing new "contradictory" articles (you all can Google this topic).

Not sure now if advice is sound.

My garden in England is full of eating-out places, for heat waves, warm September evenings, or lunch on a chilly Christmas morning. (Mary Quant)
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March 18, 2020 05:02PM
Indiana here. Restaurants and bars are delivery, drive-thru or carryout only. Banks are drive-thru only. Movie theaters closed, as is our local Planet Fitness. My office shut down from the public entering and we are still coming in to answer phones and take credit card payments over the phone. They're talking about us working remotely from home soon, though.

Krogers is hit-or-miss. Yesterday they were completely out of cat food, except for a 3 bags of kitten food, but today they have more. No cat litter to be found anywhere! Lots of eggs, milk, cheese and produce here. I managed to grab the last box of pasta that wasn't made from lentils (yuck). Meat like ground beef, bacon and chicken is scarce. Obviously no TP, but today I found Dial anti-bacterial hand soap and bought 5 bottles for our office. I was surprised there wasn't a limit on it. I should've bought more, as we have a large office but didn't want to be greedy. Schools are shut down the rest of the school year.

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March 18, 2020 05:14PM
I mainly do restaurant shops to supplement my weekly meals, but I've started cooking healthier at home now.

Maybe restaurants should do take-out shops and report on cleanliness and other types of compliance metrics, or maybe at this point, anything goes and it's about survival of the business.
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March 18, 2020 05:17PM
I picked up an order from kroger yesterday and there were 3 pages of things out of stock. I only got half the order. Ive been ordering ordinary amounts of things but I seem to be the only one.
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March 18, 2020 06:01PM
@Flash wrote:

I certainly wish my state would move on to close bars and make restaurants take out or delivery only. With the closing of Disney combined with Spring Break combined with school closures we appear to have a rapidly growing population of beach going party folk who either don't understand or don't care about personal or community risk.

I had a dining shop scheduled for Sunday, but didn't feel well, so re-scheduled it for Monday. Thank goodness I didn't ask for it to be re-scheduled for any later. We walked in and saw a sign on the door that the place was closing at midnight for two weeks. They're doing take-out and delivery during certain times of the day, but no more dining in.

Some young people really don't seen to "get" this. They can be carriers even if they're asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. So they either know and don't care, or don't know at all, that they can infect those who are at high risk. Selfish, if you ask me.

I learn something new every day, but not everyday!
I've learned to never trust spell-check or my phone's auto-fill feature.
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March 18, 2020 07:09PM
[www.cnbc.com]

Bill Gates: Countries that shut down for coronavirus could bounce back in weeks

Here is Singapore (look at the people walking around freely with life looking normal):

243 cases: 0 deaths

[twitter.com]

I support TOTAL shutdown of U.S. (sans essentials) for 30 days. We could come out the other side in a best case scenario.

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March 18, 2020 07:11PM
AC just suspended all their shops.
"At A Closer Look, we know there is much uncertainty in the world, our country and our communities right now as a result of the corona virus (COVID-19).

As states continue to discourage visits to senior living communities, restaurants and other high-touch industries, and our clients cancel their shops out of caution and safety, we want to do our part to help curb the spread of the virus. Therefore, out of an abundance of caution, we have made the difficult decision to suspend any remaining in-person shops through the end of March. This suspension does not apply to take-out, delivery and phone shops. In addition, we will not be reaching out to ask for your help with any additional in-person shops through the end of this month.

If you are currently assigned to an in-person shop for March, we will remove it from your event log, and your shopper status will not be affected as a result. Your health and safety are of the upmost importance to us.

We will try to keep everyone updated as much as possible regarding April shops and additional cancellations as this situation is constantly changing.

Above all, stay safe and healthy! Thank you for everything you do for our clients!

(3/18/2020)"

When you learn, teach, when you get, give. Maya Angelou
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March 18, 2020 09:05PM
If you find the last of something in a grocery store, check the date on it. Some stores don't rotate and it could be dangerously expired (Albertson's).
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March 18, 2020 09:06PM
One MSC is still trying to schedule entertainment venues which I am pretty sure are closed.
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