Hi Flash,

I volunteer at a food bank every month. They don't accept bread donations due to the expiration dates. The bread you are referring to may go to soup kitchens or senior centers.

@Flash wrote:

A fair amount of it makes it to the Food Bank as well for free gifting to the needy. The grocery stores here send the vast majority of their bakery bread that does not sell to the Food Bank and at least one chain does not reduce prices on aging meat or produce because it all goes to the Food Bank.

Breadcrumbs or croutons, I guess. Those other options don't sound appetizing at all. Not items I would cook or ever want to eat. I fed it to the birds.

@Flash wrote:

It could be soaked in a little milk and used as a binder in meatloaf. Cubed and with additional spices and goodies turned into bread pudding. Torn and soaked overnight in eggs and milk to make a baked next morning breakfast casserole.

@HonnyBrown wrote:

Hi Flash,

I volunteer at a food bank every month. They don't accept bread donations due to the expiration dates. The bread you are referring to may go to soup kitchens or senior centers.

The food bank here indeed supplies the soup kitchens. Generally all perishable goods go to the soup kitchens--dairy, meat, produce, bread, frozen foods. At this time, due to the incredible need combined with the surplus of fresh materials that are not getting to the restaurants, the food bank parcels are including fresh foods.

@pegc wrote:

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I’m not going to quote your long post, so I’ll just add this.

You can’t fix crazy.

There’s no point in arguing with someone not capable of having rational thoughts.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

So far I have not received any bad produce or meat from online ordering, and I can say that I have not spread my germs in stores or risked contracting the virus by walking into an airspace occupied by someone else moments earlier who may have been sick.

I got my second Whole Foods order today. Ordered at 2 pm. Bags were at my front door at 4:26 pm with a fabulous color photo. I may never go into a grocery store again.

I wish we had a Whole Foods here. There is a small 365 WF Market on the other side of town but even if they have a delivery service, I am sure they wouldn't deliver to my area.

Some of these posts are nothing but buzzkill. Someone has forgotten or is determined to blind us all to comprehensive aspects of well-being.

People already know about masks, gloves, close contact, and the rest. They can't escape this information! At the same time, many of them will go bonkies fast if they do not find or re-capture a sense of enjoyment of life. Enjoyment of life is a personal thing, and no two people enjoy the same things in the same way.

Telling people who were going out into the sunshine and open air to be vigilant was buzzkill and possibly arrogant. It was like throwing a wet blanket on a birthday party! Let those people enjoy what they can. Perhaps the risks of going outdoors outweigh the damage from remaining indoors. If they have chosen not to use gloves and masks, so be it. But let them enjoy life in their own way, even if you would not do the same thing or would take a different approach to the activity.

I understand about risk factors. I have some of them. However, they all abate when I make a personal choice to establish that my enjoyment of my life is unrelated to COVID-19 and whatever the imposed restrictions of the day happen to be. My enjoyment is not diminished by the buzzkill here.

However, my concerns regarding dogma are increasing. People are unique, and some need more time outdoors and among others than homebodies do. Their unique wellness equations might require elements that many of us can easily forego.

If we are all in this together, we all need to know and respect that everyone is not wired to stay at home and come out of the experience happy and healthy. Give people a break! If you can stay at home, wonderful. Please do not expect that everyone can do this as effectively or with as few unwanted side effects as you can.

You can't fix crazy.

Of course you can't. You don't know who the crazy is...

@pegc wrote:

You can't fix crazy.

It's blatamtly obvious to everyone else but the crazy one.

I don't recall ANYONE posting not to go out in sunshine and open air. Quit making things up.

@Shop-et-al wrote:

Telling people who were going out into the sunshine and open air

JASFLAMT,
I checked, you are right. This thread does not contain the word, "sunshine" other than the three uses here (once by Shop-et-al and twice by you [one of which was just you quoting her]). That said, wouldn't it have been more helpful and friendly and upbeat (which I think the whole world needs right now), if you could have found a nicer way to make your point?

I enjoyed the day, out in the sunshine on our beautiful grounds, flowers blooming, masks worn, 6 feet apart, and telling stories with my friends about the past.....the sun is a great way to ease stress. Will be in the 80's this week, winter is over and I don't enjoy shopping as I once did, in a strange way, enjoy life and my freedom, and it's fun to have time to write a blog about aging....I do have experience.... Will zoom with daughter and
boyfriend later since she is working from home we see one another more.
I also walk, again with mask on and 6 feet from anyone...we're not in jail, just restricted and careful.....do I smell overkill on the forum?



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Hey.......Bena's back. How are you?

It is going to be 60 today and the sun is shining. I am going for a walk with my sister. She and I are still both symptom free and neither of us have been in public or had visitors for over 3 weeks. We are going for a walk by the lake and will stay away from other people, but we are going to be enjoying the fresh air and sunshine!

No, no Irene, no overkill. No one ever said we weren't going to go outside and enjoy fresh air and sunshine.

@Irene_L.A. wrote:

I enjoyed the day, out in the sunshine on our beautiful grounds, flowers blooming, masks worn, 6 feet apart, and telling stories with my friends about the past.....the sun is a great way to ease stress. Will be in the 80's this week, winter is over and I don't enjoy shopping as I once did, in a strange way, enjoy life and my freedom, and it's fun to have time to write a blog about aging....I do have experience.... Will zoom with daughter and
boyfriend later since she is working from home we see one another more.
I also walk, again with mask on and 6 feet from anyone...we're not in jail, just restricted and careful.....do I smell overkill on the forum?

Have a nice walk and enjoy your sister's company!

@JASFLALMT wrote:

It is going to be 60 today and the sun is shining. I am going for a walk with my sister. She and I are still both symptom free and neither of us have been in public or had visitors for over 3 weeks. We are going for a walk by the lake and will stay away from other people, but we are going to be enjoying the fresh air and sunshine!

Doing well, thanks, though I've have a bit of a hard time to keep smiling. I know I have more blessings than most but bad news still drags me down.
One fortunate thing here in the Peg is that they've closed some roads to traffic so there are more places for people to walk apart and get some Vitamin D and exercise.

Well one person keeps saying even though it's not true. We are completely free to go outside and enjoy sunshine and fresh air, as long as we practice social distancing.
Then repeating this falsehood numerous times she advises not worrying about Covid 19 because it could affect enjoyment. Well duh of course it does.
This attitude reflects an inability to see the world and history as it is, and this pandemic in context. As a human species we have always had things to mess up our enjoyment. The first several million years food was always an issue. Even in the last century it still is in many places. Starvation is rampant in some other war torn countries. I wonder if war affects their enjoyment of life? I wonder if the potato blight in Ireland which contributed to mass starvation from 1845-1849 affected their enjoyment of life? I wonder if the countries and people fighting against Nazis in WW2 felt that life was less enjoyable? And perhaps the people in South American countries who are being killed en masse in such numbers that they just leave with their kids and the clothes on their backs by drug cartels find life less than enjoyable?
It's a statement of arrogance and entitlement to think that we are or should be immune to the vagaries of nature and biology. Luckily we have not had war here for a long time but that doesn't make us immune to any of the tragedies that the earth and politics inflict upon us.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

No, no Irene, no overkill. No one ever said we weren't going to go outside and enjoy fresh air and sunshine.

@Irene_L.A. wrote:

I enjoyed the day, out in the sunshine on our beautiful grounds, flowers blooming, masks worn, 6 feet apart, and telling stories with my friends about the past.....the sun is a great way to ease stress. Will be in the 80's this week, winter is over and I don't enjoy shopping as I once did, in a strange way, enjoy life and my freedom, and it's fun to have time to write a blog about aging....I do have experience.... Will zoom with daughter and
boyfriend later since she is working from home we see one another more.
I also walk, again with mask on and 6 feet from anyone...we're not in jail, just restricted and careful.....do I smell overkill on the forum?

[www.nytimes.com]

@ wrote:

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said 478 more people had died in New York, the first time the one-day toll was below 500 since April 2.

It's crazy when 478 deaths a day is a "good day."

70 dead in New Jersey nursing home: [www.nytimes.com]

now is not the time to open up!

Agreed.

Wow. Have you seen news photos of the beaches in Florida? They're apparently open again and they are packed.

You can't fix crazy.

Not all beaches are open. It's on a county level per the governor's order. Some are completely closed, others are open. The big problem with that is if some counties close their beaches, people will drive to a county where they are open.

It is nuts that people can't at least observe social distancing at parks and beaches. Just because you are outside doesn't mean that respiratory droplets can't spread on the wind. Today on my walk with my sister we took a wide berth of other walkers passing by. We both held our breaths as people approached and exhaled after achieving a further distance.

[whoknewnews.com]

Just read this story about a man who broke his strict protocol about not going to the grocery store...

@Shop-et-al wrote:

At the same time, many of them will go bonkies fast if they do not find or re-capture a sense of enjoyment of life. Enjoyment of life is a personal thing, and no two people enjoy the same things in the same way. . .

Perhaps the risks of going outdoors outweigh the damage from remaining indoors. If they have chosen not to use gloves and masks, so be it. But let them enjoy life in their own way, even if you would not do the same thing or would take a different approach to the activity.

I understand a kind of quality of life vs life strand of thought here, Shop-et-al.

It's sort of like when people are faced with living in a vegetative state and on life support (with little chance of recovering to a normal life), they may value quality of life over merely living and want to discontinue their life support. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this right to do so (I don't know/don't have an opinion), but I can understand the reasoning.

Where I think lockdowns and mask wearing for COVID-19 are different is that it involves thinking about how our actions affect others' well-being as well. If I am willing to risk my life or health by not wearing a mask or going out more, that may be justified if all of the consequences of those actions impacted primarily myself. But, what if my going out without a mask impacted others' health and lives? In that case, I think there can be a moral justification for requiring everyone to do both (stay home and wear masks).

I was watching a video today of nurses counter-protesting stay-at-home protesters. It made me realize how nurses' lives are impacted. If a stay-at-home protester were to go out and catch COVID-19 and end up in the E.R. (let's say they had no choice, as a family member brought them in unconscious), then that impacts the health and well-being of the E.R. nurses having to care for that person. For sure, they signed up for such risks and that probably isn't the only COVID-19 patient they'll come into contact with. But I guess it highlights for me that many of the people who will have to serve us (medical personnel, grocery store clerks, bank employees, etc.) are risking their health and impacted by our actions as customers. The same is true in reverse.

I think there is no escape from us all being in this together. There are no islands for all those who voluntarily would take higher risks for a higher quality of life. We cannot separate those individual decisions from their impact on society.

@Shop-et-al wrote:

If we are all in this together, we all need to know and respect that everyone is not wired to stay at home and come out of the experience happy and healthy. Give people a break! If you can stay at home, wonderful. Please do not expect that everyone can do this as effectively or with as few unwanted side effects as you can.

I definitely think there is something unhealthy about being locked down at home for too long. It extends beyond just the outdoorsy person feeling unhappy, but even a homebody type will likely start to have some mental side effects. I mentioned having some issues in another thread before.

I think you and Flash talked about immunity to germs being lost as well.

Beyond allowed travel exceptions (getting groceries, exercising, etc.), I think there can be moral justification of these lockdowns when weighing the threat of death (from COVID-19) vs. the unpleasantness of feeling trapped inside and not being able to enjoy the outdoors. Both are bad. But, one is worse (death).

That's the justification for imposing a lesser evil.

It is equally bad. Denying some people the essential nurturance that their beings need is like starving their souls to death. This, then, is another death. It is short-sighted not to consider the many and varied aspects of humans when imposing plans that will affect everyone.

Do your really want this for other people?