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Doing some more research found this. Never knew what the TES was for.

VeriTES (Theatrical Entertainment Services)

VeriTES has at least 50,000 theater checkers all over the US and in Canada. You can email VeriTES if you need more information about their offered position or you can go to this page – [www.verites.com].

if you go to www.verites.net instead of .com it takes you to a login screen.

Found this interesting site that has links and screen captures of 7 VeriTES webpages. Website is no more. [loginfacts.com]

Here's another schedulers website, [movieassignments.com]
No info on the current state of VeriTES, but you can find out about his latest game.

I think they just disappeared in the middle of the night and didn't bother to tell anybody.

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Wow, found this article from 2013 about the behind the scenes info on trailers and the movie industry and why trailer checks are important. I always wondered about this. Most fascinating. Trailer checks will most definitely be back. There's a lot of money riding on if and when a trailer is playing.

Theaters raise revenue and tensions by charging to show trailers
By Ben Fritz and Richard Verrier, Los Angeles Times
Feb. 19, 2013 12 AM

Coming soon to a theater near you: a multimillion-dollar battle over coming attractions.

Theater owners are squeezing extra coin out of film companies by charging them to play the trailers for their upcoming movies.

Traditionally, theater owners were happy to run the advertisements for upcoming movies on the understanding that they drove box-office receipts and concession-stand sales. Studios paid to make the trailers and cinemas screened them. Each movie came with two coming attractions attached, while others ran at the discretion of the theater, often as a result of lobbying by Hollywood marketers.

But now theater owners, realizing the value of having Hollywood’s target audience already in the theater, have begun charging movie companies to run their trailers. Although some trailers still run for free, movie distributors complain that they’re increasingly being asked to pay to get their trailers played — or get shut out.

“We’ve reached the tipping point,” said Jeffrey Neuman, chief executive of Verites, a Burbank company paid by studios to check theaters to see that trailers are being shown and that marketing materials such as lobby cards and standees are in place. “If you’re not one of the ones paying for trailers, you’re left struggling for placement.”

In one controversial move, the nation’s largest cinema chain, Regal Entertainment Group, recently cut the number of trailers that studios can run with their own movies for free from two to one. Some studio executives are privately grumbling about the practice, upset that they are being asked to pay still more to a supposed partner that typically keeps half the box-office receipts.

“It’s logical a theater operator has an obligation to market studios’ movies, when we’re spending hundreds of millions of dollars on [making] each one,” said one studio executive who asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of the topic. “But they have gone all the way around to wanting to be paid.”

Four of the major studios — 20th Century Fox, Sony Pictures, Universal Pictures and Warner Bros. — reportedly have made annual marketing deals worth several million dollars with theater chains such as Regal and AMC Entertainment. In exchange, the studios are exempt from the one-free-trailer-only rule and get the best possible placement.

Walt Disney Studios and Paramount Pictures don’t have such deals, while smaller studios may pay as much as $100,000 to play a trailer for one film.

Some coming attractions still make it on the screen through studio executives lobbying and cajoling contacts at theaters with whom they have long-standing relationships. But such old-fashioned methods that don’t involve payments are increasingly rare.

Large theater chains won’t publicly acknowledge that they charge for trailers, nor will the studios that pay them. Spokespeople for Regal and AMC declined to comment, as did representatives of Cinemark Holdings Inc. and Carmike Cinemas Inc., the next largest national cinema chains.

But within the film and exhibition industries, it’s common knowledge — and a growing source of resentment.

“Everybody says, ‘No, no, there’s no money ever paid to show trailers,’ but we know that’s not the case for some of the big boys,” said Rafe Cohen, president of Galaxy Theatres, a Sherman Oaks chain that operates 115 screens. “For us little guys, we’d love to charge for trailers, but we don’t have the leverage.”

There are no official stats on how many trailers make it to the big screen thanks to a payment, but the practice has become increasingly common. Verites checked on about 100 trailers in 2012, compared with 30 in 2009, Neuman said.

The dispute marks the latest flare-up between film companies and exhibitors, whose symbiotic relationship has been strained in recent years. Turning trailers into a business, some fear, could add to the tension.

“What makes this business run are trailers,” said Chuck Viane, a former president of distribution for Walt Disney Studios. “When the right trailers aren’t seen by the public with the right movie, that can hurt the box office.”

Although Regal’s one-trailer-only rule is new, the free trailer system began to break down in 2001, when Sony paid to advertise its comedy “The Animal” in front of the hit Universal movie “The Mummy Returns.” That aberration soon became the norm, with pay-for-play accelerating in the last two years.

As they rose in value, the total number of trailers shown before a movie started going up. Three or four was the norm a decade ago. Regal and AMC theaters now run six or seven before every feature.

“The number of trailers has absolutely exploded,” said Federico Ponce, owner of High Res Hype, a graphic and design company that has worked on trailers for such movies as “The Avengers” and “Iron Man.” “When we started out, we’d work on one or two trailers every four months. Now we’re doing three or four trailers at the same time.”

The competition is fierce, and prices high, to run a trailer in front of popular movies such as “The Hobbit.” Theater chains typically receive $25,000 to $100,000 to run a spot before a popular film at half their theaters — saving an equal amount of time at the other half of their theaters for another paid trailer.

Theater owners charge more for the final trailer before a movie starts because, Neuman said, “There’s a big difference between how many people see the first trailer and the last.”

Major studios forge “marketing partnerships” with theaters, in deals that cost $3 million to $6 million and include benefits such as special advertising in lobbies and on popcorn bags along with preferential theater placement. And cash doesn’t always change hands. One studio spends heavily advertising on a theater chain’s website with the expectation its trailers will be treated better as a result.

Some studios opposed to paying for trailers have been forced to relent.

“It’s unfortunate that we need to make deals for material that is the lifeblood of the industry for everyone involved,” said an executive at one studio.

Executives who are paying Regal now fear they’ll soon be paying other chains too.

“If studios agree to this, and you’re AMC, why wouldn’t you do it?” one said.
[www.latimes.com]
Thinking about this new info about trailers and the movie industry explains a lot. And the article gave enough of the history to where you can see how we got to where we are today.

MarketForce got the boot because their info wasn't accurate enough any more. Too many people were faking it. Wasn't any money in it. Who was going to spend hours and hours in a movie theater for only a few bucks. It's why I stopped doing them.

Movie Measure came about as an app to let people know when a trailer they saw and wanted to see finally got to the theaters. Then somebody got the idea to use it to do trailer checks since it would be much more accurate and harder to fake it

Somebody mentioned VeriTES was working on an app. Maybe the studios requested that they get one. I'm thinking VeriTES found out it was a lot harder and cost more than they thought it would. Then with the shut down they said, forget it. We're out of here.

Like New Vision. Threw the keys to the landlords and said see ya.

Trailer checks will be back. Some of those trailers are paid for. It's an important part of the studios marketing. They're verifying that what they are paying for is actually happening. And the order they play in is important. Everybody wants the coveted last trailer before the movie.
For the people who were contracted with them we have seen the writing on the wall. Stop trying to find random schedulers and give out their information. That is not how VeriTes operated, again if you didn't work for them you don't know. Every scheduler had a section of the US or Canada they were assigned to, you can't just contact a random one and ask for work. Those of us who worked for them have contacts for people you won't find that were higher up in the company above just scheduling, and we don't need any extra information, for the people who didn't work with VeriTes and wanted to, they are too late. You can speculate all you want, but you will never know why they shut down and that is not the point nor does it really matter. Same with Certified Field Associates, unless someone who directly works with the company gave you that information, then you don't really know for sure either on that.


@StandeeInstaller wrote:

Doing some more research found this. Never knew what the TES was for.

VeriTES (Theatrical Entertainment Services)

VeriTES has at least 50,000 theater checkers all over the US and in Canada. You can email VeriTES if you need more information about their offered position or you can go to this page – [www.verites.com].

if you go to www.verites.net instead of .com it takes you to a login screen.

Found this interesting site that has links and screen captures of 7 VeriTES webpages. Website is no more. [loginfacts.com]

Here's another schedulers website, [movieassignments.com]
No info on the current state of VeriTES, but you can find out about his latest game.

I think they just disappeared in the middle of the night and didn't bother to tell anybody.
VeriTes is NOT closed down, I received all necessary information today in an email, anyone contracted with them should have received the new website and other details. They left PSB and are now with someone else.
Looking at the Box Office for last weekend, it's hard to tell what happened. An R rated movie called Unhinged did $4 million on possibly 300 screens. Looks like total of everything was a bit under $10 million. Hard to tell how many theaters were open. Maybe get a better idea from this coming weekends box office to see if people are coming back.
[www.boxofficemojo.com]

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Nearly 300 AMC Theatres® to Welcome Moviegoers as an Additional 170 Theatres Reopen Tomorrow, August 27
Wed August 26, 2020 5:20 PM|Business Wire|About: AMC

After a successful first weekend of operations at more than 100 locations nationwide, AMC to open an additional 170 locations beginning August 27, approximately 300 AMC theatres open in total

AMC expects to have more than 400 locations around the country open leading to the release of Warner Bros.’ TENET on September 3

AMC Safe & Clean developed under close cooperation with public health and safety experts to be stringently enforced at all AMC locations

LEAWOOD, Kan.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- After a successful reopening at more than 100 locations nationwide, AMC Theatres (NYSE:AMC) is preparing to reopen its second wave of theatres, with 170 additional AMC locations set to open beginning Thursday, Aug. 27, ahead of the release of THE NEW MUTANTS. After the second wave of theatres reopens, AMC will have nearly 300 open locations nationwide.

This second wave of reopenings is part of a phased plan to reopen AMC in the United States. AMC currently expects to open approximately two thirds of its more than 600 U.S. theatre locations in time for the September 3 release of Warner Brothers’ TENET. The remainder of AMC’s U.S. theatres will open only after authorized to do so by state and local officials.

Guests at all open AMC locations can enjoy new titles such as THE NEW MUTANTS, beginning Aug. 27, UNHINGED, WORDS ON BATHROOM WALLS and THE PERSONAL HISTORY OF DAVID COPPERFIELD. Exciting new upcoming titles include TENET on Sept. 3, BROKEN HEARTS GALLERY and INFIDEL on Sept. 11, and THE WAR WITH GRANDPA on Sept. 18.

Additionally, a new selection of bring-back titles will be available beginning Thursday, including INCEPTION, JURASSIC PARK, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, The Rocky Series, SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING, SPIDER-MAN: FAR FROM HOME, SHREK and SONIC: THE HEDGEHOG, and will be priced at only $5. AMC is also offering an array of $5 food and beverage treats, including regular popcorn, regular Coca-Cola Freestyle drinks and KidsPacks, through the end of October. And all AMC Stubs members will earn double points on all ticket and food & drink purchases through the end of October.

Adam Aron, CEO and President of AMC Theatres, commented: “We are grateful for the positive feedback we have been receiving about our guests’ desire to see movies on the big screen at AMC, and about our extensive AMC Safe & Clean policies and procedures. Our comprehensive commitment to operating our theatres safely now includes social distancing through limiting ticket sales and automatic seat blocking, seamless contactless ticketing, greatly enhanced cleaning procedures, the availability of hand sanitizer and disinfecting wipes throughout our theatres, as well as a mandatory mask policy for all guests and crew members. In addition, we have invested millions for high tech solutions to sanitization and disinfection including electrostatic sprayers, HEPA vacuums and MERV 13 air filters. Guests returning to AMC can do so knowing that we’ve been in constant dialogue with top scientists and experts in public health and cleaning about how best to reopen our theatres in ways that will be responsible and welcoming.”
[seekingalpha.com]
3 min interview of what they are experiencing in Europe. Seems like people are coming back. Tenet is opening today. Have to check the weekend box office numbers to see how it does. He said though so far they are seeing the number of people spread out over 7 days pretty evenly. And people are going to just to see some of the old movies on the big screen.

There is a huge demand for normality and for people to get back to the big screen, says Vue CEO
Tim Richards, CEO of Vue International, discusses the re-opening of cinemas.
Wed, Aug 26 20208:45 AM EDT

[www.cnbc.com]
I see Movie Measure has finally gotten the ability to see and request assignments on their website. Anybody interested in doing Tenet can request them now. Within 100 miles of me there are 48. It's even picking up a few in TN and AL. Changing it to a more reasonable 50 miles brings up 32. No, I'm not doing trailer checks.

They did mention standees will be coming back. With the assignments now on their website, might actually be able to get them.

They did make a point to mention that you are an IC. I wonder if that has anything to do with the CA's new law AB5? So with VeriTES back from the dead, (apparently PSB kicked them to the curb) do the two companies ever get the same theaters and same movies? Can you do them for two different companies at the same time? I don't see why they would care. As long as the info is accurate. You're just providing a service. If you can multitask, cool. I can see that as a way to have trailer checks actually pay something.

And if it's for different movies, as long as the show times don't over lap, why would they care. With the theaters trying to spread out the show times, shouldn't be a problem. If you're already standing in the theater, the more work you can get, the better. You're more likely to take an assignment if there's more money in it. A few times years ago I grabbed a trailer check because I already was going to the theater to put a standee together.

Whoa, check this out. Remember the 2013 article I found on trailers. So there's lots of different studios. Say studio A has a trailer playing before Tenet and has VeriTES check the trailers for them. Studio B also has a trailer playing before Tenet but uses MovieMeasure to check the trailers for them. Same info but two different studios using two different companies. Studios don't care who gets the info so long as it's accurate. They just need the info. If it's the same person working for two different companies, so.

Remember, we're ICs providing a service. If we can get multiple entities to pay us for doing the exact same service, all the better. Probably a win-win for the industry. The more you can get paid, the more likely you are to take an assignment. If nobody takes the assignments, or "cuts corners" because there is no money in it, then the studios can't get the info they need.

" Independent Contractors

One other point to highlight is your independent contractor status. As an independent contractor you provide services to the general public and have the freedom and flexibility to work for more than one employer. You are responsible for all employment taxes associated with your earned income and are not paid an hourly wage or salary, but a contracted or fixed rate. If anyone tells you differently, feel free to direct the question to us – we can help. "
What website are you finding tenet trailers for MM? It's not yet available in the checker portal. Yes VeriTes and MM have the same assignments at the same locations sometimes. No there is not a rule against doing them both. It's fairly simple I have done multiple that way.






@StandeeInstaller wrote:

I see Movie Measure has finally gotten the ability to see and request assignments on their website. Anybody interested in doing Tenet can request them now. Within 100 miles of me there are 48. It's even picking up a few in TN and AL. Changing it to a more reasonable 50 miles brings up 32. No, I'm not doing trailer checks.

They did mention standees will be coming back. With the assignments now on their website, might actually be able to get them.

They did make a point to mention that you are an IC. I wonder if that has anything to do with the CA's new law AB5? So with VeriTES back from the dead, (apparently PSB kicked them to the curb) do the two companies ever get the same theaters and same movies? Can you do them for two different companies at the same time? I don't see why they would care. As long as the info is accurate. You're just providing a service. If you can multitask, cool. I can see that as a way to have trailer checks actually pay something.

And if it's for different movies, as long as the show times don't over lap, why would they care. With the theaters trying to spread out the show times, shouldn't be a problem. If you're already standing in the theater, the more work you can get, the better. You're more likely to take an assignment if there's more money in it. A few times years ago I grabbed a trailer check because I already was going to the theater to put a standee together.

Whoa, check this out. Remember the 2013 article I found on trailers. So there's lots of different studios. Say studio A has a trailer playing before Tenet and has VeriTES check the trailers for them. Studio B also has a trailer playing before Tenet but uses MovieMeasure to check the trailers for them. Same info but two different studios using two different companies. Studios don't care who gets the info so long as it's accurate. They just need the info. If it's the same person working for two different companies, so.

Remember, we're ICs providing a service. If we can get multiple entities to pay us for doing the exact same service, all the better. Probably a win-win for the industry. The more you can get paid, the more likely you are to take an assignment. If nobody takes the assignments, or "cuts corners" because there is no money in it, then the studios can't get the info they need.

" Independent Contractors

One other point to highlight is your independent contractor status. As an independent contractor you provide services to the general public and have the freedom and flexibility to work for more than one employer. You are responsible for all employment taxes associated with your earned income and are not paid an hourly wage or salary, but a contracted or fixed rate. If anyone tells you differently, feel free to direct the question to us – we can help. "
Here's something else to consider. As an IC we're just providing a service. What happens to the info after we submit it we have no idea. We do know there are lots of studios out there and lots of trailers. So after the trailer check companies get the info, who is to say they only have one client. They may shop the info around to lots of different studios. Of course they are only having to pay you once. Hmmmmm.

What if some of the studios are paying multiple companies for the "same" info. Different companies have different coverage. Sure there is overlap, but are probably enough theaters where only one company is able to cover it. And what if the studios get the info from both companies to compare it to see if it is accurate?

What do you think open checking, blind checking, lobby checks, and trailer checks are about? The studios are checking to see if the theaters are trying to cheat them and/or are doing what they said they would and/or are getting paid for. Studios trust nobody.

So yes, (multiple) studios could be paying two different companies to do trailer checks for the same movie in the same theater. For all we know they than compare the data to see if it's accurate. What if studios stopped using MaretForce because the data was garbage? Too many people faking it because there was no money in it.

We do know MovieMeasure came about because they had an app and the industry asked if they could use their app for doing trailer checks. They were looking for more accurate info. They don't trust just asking the theaters what trailers and the order they are in. They want third party verification. Especially when they are paying money for those trailers.

So as an IC providing a service, the more companies you can get to pay for it, all the better. Even if it's the exact same service for the exact same info. As long as the info is accurate, it's good for the industry if you are more likely to take assignments since you're making more money. If nobody takes the assignments because there is no money in it, how are the studios going to get the info?
On the checker portal you have to change the date range. I put it all the way out to Sep 12. You can actually check all over the country by changing the zip code. It's showing 5 within 50 miles of you down in FL.

Vision wanted you to sign a non-compete. But then they are doing standees. Studios are only going to pay one company to do a standee. May pay multiple companies to do the standees just to get better coverage, but only one company is going to get paid for each location. And there isn't multiple studios wanting the exact same standee put together. So that's kind of different.

If one wasn't aware there are multiple trailer check companies, it could be confusing running into somebody else doing checks at a theater, let alone the same movie. And you certainly wouldn't know that you could get paid by two different companies to do the same trailer check. It's not very often one could be in a situation where you could get two different companies to pay you do the exact same thing. In this case you are just collecting info that both or even multiple companies can find buyers for.
StandeeInstaller,
What did the 2013 article about trailer checks say and who printed it please?
Can I Google it?

Thank You
As the CEO of moviemeasure, I am really happy to share as much information as I can about why we exist, and how things work. Feel free to DM me and I can answer questions. There are some fascinating insights on this thread and am deeply impressed with the information you have and what you research! Obviously there are some client confidentiality points we cannot discuss. Thanks Rakesh.
Btw, we have tried to put as much on the checker portal, so you can either self assign, or request assignments. We do the later when there is more discussion needed with the IC regarding dates or scope of work etc. You can sign up at [checker.movie-measure.com] but you do need to register.
I did several of these when I was in Alabama last January and February. Very easy and I hope to do again next year/
Come back any time @ctalbert. We have projects this week, starting Monday Aug 31, so look online and self-assign (or request) what works for you. Thank you
I've done trailer checks for years, for multiple companies, same movie at times, better rates back in the day. They want basically the same info, for different trailers, different production companies, etc. You are an IC, so you can work for as many or as few as you want. I was hoping rates would be increased, but I see rates are still as low as they were last year - especially difficult with few films in theaters.
I've been doing trailer checks for 7 plus years and not sure about what better rates you are referring to.
WHOO HOO!!! Trailer checking for MovieMeasure this afternoon! My first time back in the theatre.
It was quiet for me. Not many people earlier. I go back to another location this evening for more showtimes. It was good to be back though. Glad Movie Measure is up and running!
Wow, this didn't last long. The Bond movie being pulled was the last straw. If the distributors aren't going to send the movies to the theaters people have no reason to go, and hence no reason to keep the doors open. I guess all those standees we did was for naught. I see even Boris Johnson over in the UK is asking people to go watch a movie. Haven't checked the box office yet, but the rest of the world seems to be doing ok. Just the US and UK haven't returned. Plus NY and LA haven't reopened yet.

Regal Cinemas Suspending Operations at All U.S. Locations
Second-largest U.S. cinema chain is closing its doors again as high-profile movies vacate calendar

The second-largest cinema chain in the U.S. is closing all of its locations nationwide after reopening in August, escalating the pandemic-driven crisis facing the entertainment industry.

Cineworld Group CNWGY 12.82% PLC’s Regal Entertainment Group’s decision to suspend operations at its more than 500 locations this coming Thursday follows a cascade of postponements for big-budget Hollywood films, most recently the James Bond title “No Time to Die.”

The studio behind the film, MGM Holdings Inc., said Friday that it was delaying the film for the second time, to next April from this November. It had originally been scheduled for release in April of this year.

Cineworld is the second-largest movie-theater operator on a global basis as well as in the U.S., after AMC Entertainment Holdings Inc. The suspension of operations includes its 127 Cineworld and Picturehouse cinemas in the U.K.

“We are like a grocery shop that doesn’t have vegetables, fruit, meat,” Cineworld CEO Mooky Greidinger said in an interview. “We cannot operate for a long time without a product.”

Some Hollywood studios have experimented with shipping big-budget movies directly online. Walt Disney Co. opted against releasing its $200 million “Mulan” remake in U.S. theaters, and instead put the movie on its streaming service for about $30. Before that, Comcast Corp.’s Universal Pictures made the family film “Trolls World Tour” available on digital-rental platforms for about $20.

Like many businesses that rely on gathering consumers in public spaces, theaters in the U.S. have endured historic levels of financial strain for months. After the coronavirus pandemic initially caused most U.S. cinemas to close in March, major chains such as Regal, AMC and Cinemark Holdings Inc. reopened in August ahead of the spy film “Tenet,” distributed by AT&T Inc.’s Warner Bros.

The highly anticipated movie from director Christopher Nolan had been delayed repeatedly amid continuing uncertainty about which theaters would be allowed to open.

But with only about two-thirds of domestic theaters able to open because of varying state and local guidelines, and consumers apparently still wary of going to theaters, the $200 million movie grossed just $45.1 million in the U.S. and Canada. That tepid performance has led Hollywood studios to recoil from releasing costly films for now.

North America is the world’s largest theatrical market, grossing more than $11 billion each year since 2015.

After witnessing domestic moviegoers’ subdued interest in “Tenet,” Warner Bros. said it was moving “Wonder Woman 1984” to Christmas Day, from October. Disney quickly followed suit, shifting release dates on 10 titles, including bumping its Marvel spinoff “Black Widow” by six months.

The string of delays casts a shadow over the remainder of 2020’s movie calendar and potentially over the entire theatrical industry. On Sept. 30, a cinema owners’ trade group joined leading filmmakers in sending a letter to lawmakers in the hopes of drumming up financial relief for the ailing sector.

“If the status quo continues, 69% of small and midsize movie theater companies will be forced to file for bankruptcy or to close permanently,” the National Association of Theatre Owners said.

When the U.S.’s major theater chains began reopening late this summer, they touted elevated sanitation protocols and capacity limits. Despite assurances they would be safe returning to theaters, U.S. moviegoers haven’t rushed back.

Without big-budget titles, theaters have largely screened smaller independent films and older movies.

Movie theaters abroad—many of which have been open for months—have performed better than in the U.S. “Tenet” has grossed $262 million from international markets, according to Box Office Mojo.

On top of closing doors again at its more than 500 Regal theaters in the U.S., Cineworld is also suspending operations at its 127 locations in the U.K., the company said. The closures will affect the employment status of thousands of workers, the company said.

For major movie theaters, suspending operations might be less costly than staying open with a limited supply of programming and little consumer demand.

In late September, Cineworld, which is already shouldering a heavy debt load, released dismal midyear financial results. It reported revenue fell nearly 70%, to $712.4 million, in the six months ending June 30 when compared with the first half of 2019.

Regal’s decision to close its doors again, less than two months after reopening, is partially because theaters in major U.S. markets like Los Angeles and New York City have yet to reopen. Mr. Greidinger recently sent a letter to New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, imploring the state to evaluate theaters along similar lines as other indoor venues.

In states such as California and New York, theater owners large and small have expressed bewilderment as authorities have allowed some indoor establishments such as restaurants, bowling alleys and churches to open with capacity restrictions while requiring theaters keep their doors closed.

“In the cinema, everyone is seated and looks in the same direction…in the restaurant you take off your mask and you sit one in front of the other,” said Mr. Greidinger. “It simply doesn’t make sense.”

In August, Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, addressed movie theaters’ closures, arguing that they weren’t high on the priority list for businesses that should be allowed to reopen. “It is congregate. It’s one ventilation system. You’re seated there for a long period of time.…This is a risky situation,” he said.

[www.wsj.com]
Checking the box office, it just ain't there. Nobodies going.
[www.boxofficemojo.com]

So things slowly started opening back up mid August. Weekend box office was $2m, $6m, $12m. Then Sept we got Tenet and jumped to $27m, $12m, $11m, $9m and this past weekend $8m.

Looking at the weekend box office earlier this year, even the end of January it only got down to $80m. Typically runs $100-200m depending on what movie comes out. So if a real slow weekend is $80m and all you're doing is $8m, and then they pull the movie that might have given you a chance to get people back in, no real reason to keep the doors open.

So looking at the stats for this weekend, [www.boxofficemojo.com]

Was 18 different movies with Tenet still on 2722 screens with an average of $991 per screen and came in 1st with $2.7m. So if we low ball the ticket price at $10, that's only about 100 people or about 33 per day. So you're looking at less then 10 per showtime and that was the best movie. Can't keep the doors open when your best movie has less than 10 people per showtime. Maybe they should advertise, there's no need to worry about catching anything, there's nobody here. Enjoy watching a movie on the big screen all by yourself.

Opening weekend Tenet did $20m on 2810 screens with a per screen average of $7188 or being generous about 700 people per screen or 233 per day or about 40 per showtime.

Checking a few theaters on Fandango, looks like during the week most only have showtimes between 4-8pm with basically 2 showtimes per movie. Few movies are on 2 screens so get 4 showtimes. Regal Atlantic Station, Regal's premier theater in the SE has showtimes 12-8pm. Hm, Fandango only has placeholders for this weekend showing only one showtime for a few movies. Same for AMC. Whoa, NCG doesn't even have days you can click on. Last day is Thursday.

Well this is interesting, Movie Tavern is only open Fri, Sat, Sun and Tue ($5 Tuesdays). That could work. Instead of totally closing, they could stay open weekends until people or the movies come back. Staying open say on a Monday or Wednesday when only a few people are going doesn't make sense. One might have thought people who were a little leery of going, might have gone during the week when no one was there, but that obviously isn't happening. Either you're fine with going to the movies or you're just not going.

Somebody should suggest to Regal to go to Fri, Sat, Sun only instead of closing completely. If the theaters close back down, why would the distributors release any movies? If there are no new movies, nobodies going to go to the theaters so no need to be open. Somebody has to be first here. By staying open on the weekends, you can at least slowly try to entice people to start coming back. If you don't try now to get people back into going to the movies, why do they think people at Thanksgiving or Christmas are suddenly going to start showing back up. It's going to be a slow process to get people willing to go back to theaters and see that it's ok. Waiting for Christmas and then crossing your fingers that people are suddenly going to show up ain't going to work.
Digging in a little deeper into the numbers at Box Office Mojo see what else we can come up with. Here's the weekly numbers, [www.boxofficemojo.com]

See if we can do a little table here of weekends vs weekly.
August
$2m - $3m
$6m - $8m
$12m - $16m
Sept
$27m - $30m
$12m - $14m
$11m - $13m
$9m - $11m
Oct
$8m

So the most we got on non-weekends was the week before the weekend for Tenet, so that Thursday had Tenet and that was enough to get the week $4m more than the previous weekend. Then the week after which included Labor day was only $3m for the week over the weekend. Other than that it looks like Mon-Thur is running about $2m. That's for how many thousands of theaters? Not worth being open for those days.

Check and see what the week use to do. So for the slowest weekend in Jan at $80m, still saw an extra $32m during the week. Just eyeballing it, looks like most weeks get $25-35m more. Probably depends a lot on what Thursday previews get. They would probably be happy to get that for the whole week, let alone just Mon-Thur right now. So other than the weekends, it's totally dead in these theaters.

Regal should go to Fri, Sat, Sun only instead of closing down again. What we've had so far were the hard core movie goers come back to the theaters. The more casual movie goers are probably, are they open again? Are there any movies to see? Is it safe? You're going to have to slowly entice them back. By completely shutting down again you're just going to confuse the casual movie goer. Are they open or not??? There's no movies is there??? Never mind, I'll find something else to do. So to think they are just going to magically show back up at Christmas, I doubt it. Not if you're going to keep shutting down.
I like the idea of theaters closing Monday, Tuesday and/or limiting the hours of operations. So many times I have done trailer checks at noon on Friday to an empty theater (Pre-COVID obviously). The employees are on their phones. It must be worse during the week. Likewise, I have checked a PG rated kids movie 10:30 at night. Why?

I think they needed a better lineup of favorite or classic movies that you wouldn't mind seeing again. There's obviously still a segment of our population without risk factors (yes, perceived or otherwise) that seek entertainment. I just didn't have any interest in seeing Tenet, but looked forward to the theaters opening. As quoted in an article above, people stay seated the whole time. In a restaurant or grocery store, people are moving around all the time increasing contact seems to me.

Waiting it out.
Checking the weekend box office to see what if any effect Regal's closing again had, I really don't see one. Last 3 weekends we had $9.4, $9.2 and $9.3 million. Three weekends before that were $27.0, $12.6 and $11.4 million. So we seem to have settled into our hardcore group of movie goers with everybody else waiting for a new movie.

The War with Grandpa took the top spot with $3.6 million followed by Tenet at $2.1 million and then Hocus Pocus a 1993 Halloween re-release that did $1.1 million. Everything else didn't even do $700k. War with Grandpa did $1603 per screen so looking at less than 50 people per screen per day. It got 2250 screens so even with Regal shut down, still plenty of screens. Tenet dropped to 2215 screens, -507 which mostly was Regal shutting down.

Was one other new movie, Yellow Rose which did $150k on only 900 screens. If you look on the front page of Box Office Mojo it's got the release schedule for the next 5 weeks, [www.boxofficemojo.com]
I really don't see anything, not that I have any idea what any of those movies are. Never heard of any of them. Out of about 25 movies, only 6 of them are even going to be in wide release. So no telling what the rest of those are.

Check to see what the week did. The last 5 weekly totals were $30.1, $14.8, $13.8, $11.3 and $10.8. So that would give us Mon-Thur $3.1, $2.2, $2.4, $1.9, and $1.6 million. So if we were to say $1.6 million in guessing at 1.000 theaters, that would be $1.6k for Mon-Thur per theater. If we give them 50% of the box office (not sure what the split is on these oldies that are showing) that would only be $800, but then add back in concessions, say $400 which would get us to $1200 or only $300 a day. Is that even covering wages and electricity for Mon-Thur?
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