Mmm? I think someone is having a mad because another someone hit a nerve. But whatevvah.

Meanwhile, this day which began with work a bit late finds me making a non-spending plan. When I go to my upcoming out of town eye exam, I will be entering a newly freed city. Restrictions will be lifted, and my fave and beloved places will be open again! So I must time everything precisely. If I am here... just then... and there... at that moment... I might be able to get in and out without ruining my budget. Wish me luck!

@Shop-et-al
"Having a mad" is a very odd phrase. No idea what you are talking about (and you don't either, as usual). If you think I am angry, well that's pretty humorous. I don't know that person and I DGARA what they think about...well anything, really. I don't get "mad" at weird random people on an internet forum. Yawn.

So back to the topic again. I read that the Chinese health officials are saying that there are no COVID-19 cases in any Wuhan hospitals as of today, with only 11 on the mainland. Really hard to believe.

@kimmiemae wrote:

With meat shortages looming, perhaps we should start a "Share your favorite vegan recipe" thread. Myself, I had to give up eggs recently, among other things, and I really miss my spinach and feta cheese frittata. I saw a recipe for one with mushrooms and baby spinach with vegan eggs made from a slurry type thing of chickpea flour that you could scramble like real eggs. The pictures looked very good.

How did I miss that?
I'm vegan. I haven't done vegan eggs. They are expensive as heck and they look odd to me.
On my last hotel shop, I had to order "eggs to order" from the buffet server. I hid them under a piece of toast. I could not even attempt to try them. Really I only had to time them. No questions about the taste.

This morning I had coffee with non-dairy creamer, vegan english muffin and a morning star farms breakfast sausage (costco) with a slice of vegan pepperjack cheese ($2.49 a pack at Whole Foods) and yellow mustard, and on the side Quaker Overnight Oats with almonds and coconut (50 cents at Grocery Outlet) in Calafia oat milk.

We are finishing an amazing fresh mushroom risotto that my DH made yesterday. He used vegetable stock, non-dairy half and half, fresh mushrooms, vegan Parmesan. He had purchased the risotto rice at a wholesale store a few months ago and found it while looking through the pantry. Good enough for Gordon Ramsey. I'd pay $25 a plate for it in a restaurant.

How are those vegan cheeses, SoCalMama? You like them a lot? I've seen the Daiya cheeses at some of the natural food markets and always wanted to try them, but didn't want to buy and then hate it. Also was curious about whether they melt well. I have used Califia almond milk and it's my favorite but I have never tried their oat milk. Chobani makes a good oat milk. Califia has an amazing tangerine juice too.

Me: “I’m looking for seitan.”

Essential Worker: “Sorry, sir. We do not promote the devil here.”

Me: “...... I’m a vegan.....”

Essential Worker: “....... ohhhhhhhh, seitan! Aisle 4.”

Being a numbers junkie I am obsessed with the lack of detailed information readily available and some of the misguided information I have seen out there. In the past few weeks the data collection seems to have improved vastly, especially with drill down information like ages, genders and races that at least my state seems to have now. But food for thought...
I read that UCLA did a sampling of people to test for antibodies and from that sample extrapolated to try to determine the actual numbers of people in the area who have had covid 19. So where did they sample to get a cross section of the population? They evidently went to grocery stores and approached shoppers. They therefore did not test any of the ultra careful people who are getting delivery or curb side pick up. They are testing those who are shopping carefully in stores but also those going willy nilly to stores everyday, coming from work in a high contact environment, etc. So I do not see this as a cross section at all.
I also would really like the agencies doing reporting to do more reporting using a per capita numbers which makes it easier to see how a region is doing vs another region with far less or far more population.
And I think lumping all people in their 70's and 80's and 90s together when giving the mortality rate. is deceptively high for those seniors that are not in nursing homes who are much sicker than the at home senior population. Lots of older people are totally insanely scared at reading the death rates of more than 12-20% in these age groups. The rates would still be high but I think separating the predictive mortality rates for non nursing home seniors would sound a lot less scary.
Edited to change the death rate I have read about. Somehow I wrote 90% of "elderly" who have covid19...but it is more like 12-15%. I was thinking about 90 year olds when I wrote that.

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I've made frittatas with besan (chickpea flour). They taste good but the texture is pretty dense. I prefer using half eggs/half besan.

@kimmiemae wrote:

With meat shortages looming, perhaps we should start a "Share your favorite vegan recipe" thread. Myself, I had to give up eggs recently, among other things, and I really miss my spinach and feta cheese frittata. I saw a recipe for one with mushrooms and baby spinach with vegan eggs made from a slurry type thing of chickpea flour that you could scramble like real eggs. The pictures looked very good.

Yep. You were having a mad. You were being a bully and trying to change what tstewart3 said and what they meant. I do know because I follow this thread and much of the forum. You frequently accost people on the forum. tstewart3 said what they meant and meant what they said. If you are calling me "weird", it's okay. Weird is legal and does not conform to nonsense. It's a good thing! If you were saying that to someone else, they have their own ideas about you and weird, which they may or may not share with you.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

@Shop-et-al
"Having a mad" is a very odd phrase. No idea what you are talking about (and you don't either, as usual). If you think I am angry, well that's pretty humorous. I don't know that person and I DGARA what they think about...well anything, really. I don't get "mad" at weird random people on an internet forum. Yawn.

So back to the topic again. I read that the Chinese health officials are saying that there are no COVID-19 cases in any Wuhan hospitals as of today, with only 11 on the mainland. Really hard to believe.

@Shop-et-al wrote:

This is why I need one pair of gloves to put the thing on and a different pair to remove it. And then, I just have to pray like heelll that any germs have not gone from mask to hair or to anything in my car. ICK! This mask mandate is ridiculous! Meanwhile, I will use three times as many gloves as I used to when I only needed them for the daily job. The daily job has money attached to it which pays for things like gloves... this mandate along with the absence of other work are costing me money and creating new, non-reimbursed expenses. This Is Inappropriate! Gah!

Interesting. I had not heard there were states that were requiring gloves. Which states are dong so?
If it is by choice that you are doing the glove thing then I wonder about your inappropriate comment which I assume is directed towards your government. Possibly my assumption is wrong, If it is being directed by the job then it should be a reimbursable expense.

@shop-et-al
A bully? Puhlease. We are having a conversation about COVID-19 along with some pleasant things such as vegan foods, and you and another person keep trying to troll the conversation and make it into something ugly. And that is weird that people like to do that. There is no reason for it and I wish you would just stop.

IMHO, it is high time that the mods shut this thread down and suggest that it get restarted with the goal of staying on topic. I somehow doubt that name-calling is something that arose in certain posters' minds as a result of Covid19 restrictions !

They might as well. We've already endured lectures about socialism that reminded me of my Uncle Earl. Now they are name calling because we don't want to hear political posturing. SEA follows JAS from thread to thread taking potshots. Unfortunately for her she's very hard to understand so half the time her meaning is anything but clear.

Anyone know what's going on in Georgia since they opened back up? I was curious about Atlanta in particular. I have a feeling cases are going to spike in about 10 days.

@SteveSoCal wrote:

I think it will be a while before we can really be back to normal business. Italy has been in serious lockdown since March 10th and still is averaging 3,000 cases a day. CA, with 2/3 of Italy's population, is setting in at 2,000 cases a day.

The US overall is being more cavalier and is set to hit 1 million cases by end of weekend, while it was only at 900K on Friday, so that curve is still going up, rather than down.

I went out to do some shopping yesterday and noticed a few things; The more upscale the store....the better the sanitization appeared to be. The discount stores had no line to get in, but very long lines to check out and I did not see anybody sanitizing. Shoppers were grabbing carts from the parking area and little distancing was applied in the store. I stopped into a one of the more expensive grocery stores to get a few specific products and it was a different scene; Organized line with clear markers to enter the store, directional signs for each isle, staff cleaning each cart and basket handed to guests who entered, and the register area wiped down between customers.

Steve,
In the DMV, it looks like Aldi is the outfit leading the way with sanitizing carts, and protecting both staff and customers, etc, along with Giant (a regional HUGE) operation. So, both the low price and the high price points here seem to be doing a very good job.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

How are those vegan cheeses, SoCalMama? You like them a lot? I've seen the Daiya cheeses at some of the natural food markets and always wanted to try them, but didn't want to buy and then hate it. Also was curious about whether they melt well. I have used Califia almond milk and it's my favorite but I have never tried their oat milk. Chobani makes a good oat milk. Califia has an amazing tangerine juice too.

Daiya cheese tastes like plastic. Don't waste your money. Their frozen cheesecake was OK.
Whole Foods 365 brand makes good cheese. So does Follow Your Heart brand.
Miyoko's brand makes the best of everything, bar none. It's expensive and I don't share it with my vegetarian daughter. To expensive for her if she eats dairy.

Okay. They do have a WF 365 across town. I will keep that in mind for the future. My local grocer has a natural foods section with GF, vegan, organic, etc. but I don't recall seeing any other vegan cheese (pre-COVID) than Daiya. Thank you for saving me from ordering it!

At my brother's house in Houston his wife uses Tofutti brand cream cheese. I had it on a bagel and liked it. I don't know if they have other types of cheese or not, and I don't know if it's something I can find in my region.

Edited to correct Tofutti spelling.

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We have Tofutti here. Tofutti makes a several different products. I hear they are all really good. I used to use the cream cheese all the time. If you google Tofutti they have cheese slices, cream cheese, sour cream and ricotta.

Excellent to know. I love dairy but I know it's not good to use too much, and I eat a lot of cheese. I have been using oat and almond milk on cereal for quite awhile, but that was mostly just because I don't like the taste of milk. It's a bonus that it is a healthier option.

I have an easy recipe for vegan queso that's pretty good. As far as I can remember without looking it up the ingredients are cashews, water, chipotle in adobo, and spices.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

Anyone know what's going on in Georgia since they opened back up? I was curious about Atlanta in particular. I have a feeling cases are going to spike in about 10 days.

I do not know what is going on in Georgia but here is a pic of Huntington Beach yesterday,..that is coastal town just south of the Los Angeles area. The beaches in Los Ang are all still closed, Orange County continually said on the news they did not want angelenos flocking to their newly opened beach. They advertised their beach being open so well that 40,000 were there at this one beach yesterday. Most do not appear to be practicing any covid 19 restrictions.


[www.pasadenastarnews.com]

@sandyf wrote:

And I think lumping all people in their 70's and 80's and 90s together when giving the mortality rate. is deceptively high for those seniors that are not in nursing homes who are much sicker than the at home senior population.

sandyf,

Just wondering if you had a citation/evidence for this fact (of nursing home seniors being more sick than non-nursing home seniors? It sounds intuitively plausible and somewhat probable even, but I haven't read anything that cements the fact (albeit, I haven't tried to look it up either). Thanks!

Call a spade a spade.

Meanwhile, I have been looking for news bits about who is going where, now that states are opening up. Apparently, some here will go in search of vegan compatible foods. But what about other places?

Some business owners have explained that they need to earn money, and I hope that they will unite with customers and transact good business now-- and stay healthy.

In the silly news of the day, I grinned when the dude in the bread aisle scanned each shelf and announced that finally, all the nuts were finished hoarding bread. "Bread! They hoarded bread!"

@JASFLALMT wrote:

@shop-et-al
A bully? Puhlease. We are having a conversation about COVID-19 along with some pleasant things such as vegan foods, and you and another person keep trying to troll the conversation and make it into something ugly. And that is weird that people like to do that. There is no reason for it and I wish you would just stop.

Agreed.

@CoffeeQueen wrote:

They might as well. We've already endured lectures about socialism that reminded me of my Uncle Earl. Now they are name calling because we don't want to hear political posturing. SEA follows JAS from thread to thread taking potshots. Unfortunately for her she's very hard to understand so half the time her meaning is anything but clear.

@shoptastic wrote:

@sandyf wrote:

And I think lumping all people in their 70's and 80's and 90s together when giving the mortality rate. is deceptively high for those seniors that are not in nursing homes who are much sicker than the at home senior population.

sandyf,

Just wondering if you had a citation/evidence for this fact (of nursing home seniors being more sick than non-nursing home seniors? It sounds intuitively plausible and somewhat probable even, but I haven't read anything that cements the fact (albeit, I haven't tried to look it up either). Thanks!

Shoptastic just consider that the reason you would be in a nursing home in the first place is because you need to have medical personnel (generally a nurse or two ) around 24/7. Those seniors who are not medically needing care can go to Assisted living and further down the list getting to those who might have some illness but able to get by without 24/7 nurses available or help with daily life functions such as dressing or showering , eating etc would go to senior residences. A Nursing Home is designed for those who are very frail or sick and need others monitor them. There is a world of difference between someone who can take care of themselves in their own home and those in nursing homes. Nursing homes also have temporary patients who are there for short periods of time after a hospitalization but the permanent residents of nursing homes are mostly not at all capable of taking care of themselves. Perhaps others can chime in. There are a few who get placed in nursing homes by their "loved" ones just to be warehoused but it is a very expensive and depressing alternative for some one who is still healthy enough to not need one. I have heard recently on the news that somewhere around 40% of those dying of covid 19 are nursing home residents. Just a small percentage of older people are in nursing homes and yet they represent a large number of those who are dying now. Of course the fact that they are in tight quarters makes it more likely they will get the virus in the first place but I believe since their health is often quite compromised they are also more likely to succumb to the virus.

@shoptastic wrote:

@sandyf wrote:

And I think lumping all people in their 70's and 80's and 90s together when giving the mortality rate. is deceptively high for those seniors that are not in nursing homes who are much sicker than the at home senior population.

sandyf,

Just wondering if you had a citation/evidence for this fact (of nursing home seniors being more sick than non-nursing home seniors? It sounds intuitively plausible and somewhat probable even, but I haven't read anything that cements the fact (albeit, I haven't tried to look it up either). Thanks!

You can find some interesting statistics about age breakdowns and institutional facilities on the LA County DOPH site:

[publichealth.lacounty.gov]

While 4,153 current cases are people over 65...2.326 of those cases are residents of institutions, and 1,462 cases are institution staff! 384 out of the 913 deaths in LA Country are from institutions, so it's over 1/3 of the deaths and more than 50% of the infected over 65 who are in institutions....with more than 25% of the cases being related to institutions.

This is out of over 10 Million people, so it's pretty substantial evidence there is a high percentage of infection and even higher percentage of deaths for nursing home residents.

I have Follow Your Heart parmesan cheese and cheddar cheese shreds. I also have veganaise which i think is by the same brand. All are good. Do any of you have a favorite blog you frequent for recipes?



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I have been using almond milk in my smoothies for a while. I noticed by not drinking cow's milk my stuffiness greatly decreased when having an allergy attack.

@JASFLALMT wrote:

Excellent to know. I love dairy but I know it's not good to use too much, and I eat a lot of cheese. I have been using oat and almond milk on cereal for quite awhile, but that was mostly just because I don't like the taste of milk. It's a bonus that it is a healthier option.

We are trying boxed steaks from a grocery store. Are these cousins of Omaha Steaks or similar? That is tomorrow's lunch and trivia. I must know!

A post which is on topic....how the coronavirus affected me. I finally am using the leftover giftcards from shopping at Cheesecake Factory back in 2013 or so. Not my favorite place to eat but for carry out for my daughters bday today I thought a nice piece of cheesecake would be appreciated...and dinner too on that long ago mystery shop I did. Don't get me wrong as I do love their cheesecake but I can buy a full one at Costco for a little more than the price on one slice at the restaurant and no tip or tax added.

I have definitely been using up gift cards. No telling when someplace I have cards for might go under.